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snowstorm
11-08-2004, 01:04 PM
I joined EPIC after becoming a published e-author and am now wondering why. (It seemed like the thing to do at the time--which, I'll admit, is a duh-head reason if ever I heard one!) Anyway, what exactly do members get for their membership fee? What does EPIC offer or do for its members? And what's the deal with the Eppie Awards? Why isn't the entry-fee money divided among the winners? Where does all that money go? Is judging fair or biased? Is the award a reasonably accurate measure of an e-book's merit, a popularity contest, or testimony to a good PR campaign? Do award winners see increased sales?

Clearly, I'm burning with curiosity about this organization; I can't seem to get a fix on it. I'm trying to decide whether or not to renew my membership, because I ain't gettin' rich through e-publishing and my paltry earnings have to be doled out carefully. So, I'd appreciate any information or opinions as well as hearing about personal experiences.

Stlight
11-09-2004, 03:52 PM
I joined EPIC to enter the contest, joining is not required. My novel made the finals and it was fun to be on the chat the night of the awards. Those of us who couldn't go chatted and received info on who won. I didn't. Being a finalist did not help my sales.
To be fair another writer who was a finalist but didn't win was offered a contract by a publisher, I think it was a religious publisher and she was happy.
The people involved with the contest were pleasant and most of the people I net-met were serious about ebooks.
My own experience is that for fiction an ebook must be placed on a site where people go to find ebooks. It is rather hard to move them from a publisher's web site, even a small publisher and not a vanity.

James D. Macdonald
08-30-2005, 07:15 PM
EPIC and the Eppies are here:

http://www.epicauthors.org/eppiewinners2005.html

EPIC is the Electronically Published Internet Connection.

Robin Bayne
08-31-2005, 04:53 AM
I am an EPIC member, but like you, sometimes wonder if I should bother to renew on the next due date. I opted out one year when the group seemed to be nothing but controversy and they had no website, but since then the group is much improved.

I did win an EPPIE and final another time, and know that much of the entry fees go to the trophy awarded. Because my win was for an anthology with three other authors, EPIC went the extra yard and had medals made for each author and gave the trophy to our publisher. I know this took extra funds. I believe the rest of the contest entry funds help pay for the EPIC conference and awards banquet.

kaliannah
09-10-2005, 06:43 PM
I considered joining, but never got around to it... I entered my book in the 2005 Eppies and was a finalist - however, I'm still waiting on my promised certificate - at one point I was told there was a problem with the printer? I'm not sure how the entry funds are spent, but enjoyed the excitement of knowing my book was actually good enough to make it to the final round.

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Robin Bayne
09-12-2005, 12:18 AM
I considered joining, but never got around to it... I entered my book in the 2005 Eppies and was a finalist - however, I'm still waiting on my promised certificate - at one point I was told there was a problem with the printer? I'm not sure how the entry funds are spent, but enjoyed the excitement of knowing my book was actually good enough to make it to the final round.

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I heard recently that the certificates had finally gone out--or--finalists with color printers could get them e-mailed and print it out themselves. Congrats!

veinglory
09-12-2005, 01:34 AM
I have heard several times that winning Eppies does not help sales. It makes me wonder.

How much is that fee?

CaoPaux
01-21-2008, 02:10 AM
Updating link: http://www.epicauthors.com/

Chumplet
10-01-2008, 09:56 PM
I entered Bad Ice in the Mystery/Suspense/Horror Romance category as a non-member. Kudos can only help, not hurt. Plus, a trophy would be cool.

veinglory
10-01-2008, 10:29 PM
Kudos can help, but a fee is a 'con'. Just saying--IMHO it is more a peer endorsement than a way to solicit readers.

mlhernandez
10-02-2008, 07:32 AM
Kudos can help, but a fee is a 'con'. Just saying--IMHO it is more a peer endorsement than a way to solicit readers.


I had the same concern. As a reader of e-books way before I became an e-published author, I'd never even heard of the EPPIEs until a post came along through my publisher chat loop. Plus I was somewhat disappointed in EPIC's total non-response to any of the e-publisher fiascoes over the last year. I mean, really, where the heck were they? But that's a rant for another time...

Still. I suppose it would be cool to win a statue!

Robin Bayne
10-02-2008, 07:35 PM
I have heard several times that winning Eppies does not help sales. It makes me wonder.

How much is that fee?


I won years ago with 3 other authors (anthology) and that book has been my bestseller to date.

JulesJones
10-04-2008, 04:12 PM
On the other hand, I was a finalist a while back -- with a gay romance, in a romance category, before they split the gay books into a category of their own, so not a trivial achievement. That book's one of my poorest sellers, and being an EPPIE finalist has made not a single extra sale so far as I can tell. I don't regret entering the book, but it's the only book I've ever entered, and I don't plan to enter in the future.

Yes, it would be cool to win a statue, and it was cool to get a certificate. On the other hand, it was less than cool to find that they had got both my name and the title of my book wrong on the certificate...

Sheryl Nantus
10-05-2008, 12:00 AM
Ouch.

:(

I think that sort of says it all...

veinglory
10-05-2008, 05:36 AM
I postws a request for informal comments on this a while back. I heard from four Eppie winners, three said they think it had no effect on sales, one thought it might have helped a little. That sample is too small to say much.

I think a peer endorsement is no small thing. The ceremony is great fun, the books that win are good quality and the engraved awards would look good on any mantle. Many other awards considered significant do not appear to effect sales. But writers just should not assume it will be a good promotional tool as very few non-author readers have even registered that it exists.

JulesJones
10-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I value that peer endorsement -- and being blunt about it, I entered that book as a political statement, because it was at the height of a particularly nasty round of "if it's m/m, it's filthy porn, not romance" within RWA. So it means something to me that I finalled with that book. But if you're looking at it simply as an advertising tool, I don't think you're going to get value for the entry money.

Dara
10-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Hmmm. I've been considering joining EPIC at some future point, but I haven't got it worked out yet what the benefits would be. I've seen a lot of people complain about EPIC and the EPPIES and a lot of others defending them, so I'm not sure yet what I make of it all.

Sheryl Nantus
10-10-2008, 12:20 AM
Hmmm. I've been considering joining EPIC at some future point, but I haven't got it worked out yet what the benefits would be. I've seen a lot of people complain about EPIC and the EPPIES and a lot of others defending them, so I'm not sure yet what I make of it all.

I was a member for two years. Didn't get anything out of it other than the usual "feel-good" pep speeches about how epubs were going to change the world.

Didn't bother renewing this year. A bit too incestous a group, if you ask me. Not to mention that they really don't do much else other than slap each other on the back for anything. IMO, of course.

pepperlandgirl
10-10-2008, 12:29 AM
My writing partner loves contests and loves to participate in contests. She's extremely competitive. I couldn't care less about the EPPIEs (or awards in general), but I told her she could enter any books of ours (or mine) that she wants, if it makes her happy. As a result of this, I have a lot of novellas/novels entered this year. Something like 25. If any of them final, I'll be happy to report on any movement, sales-wise

shameless
10-12-2008, 09:42 PM
I have a friend who's an Eppie winner. I just can't make up my mind whether I'll participate next year or not. First book is epub and comes out in January.

Mark Wakely
10-16-2008, 10:56 PM
My novel won an Eppie in 2006. It's hard to quantify how many more copies I've sold because of the award. So far I've received royalties on 3,000 copies sold in all formats (hardback, trade paperback, ebook.) One thing I've noticed on Amazon is that shortly after I sell a Kindle edition (Mobipocket format) I soon sell a few paperbacks and/or hardbacks. I think moving up on the Kindle list draws new attention to the book.

I've heard the same thing as Sheryl about how epubs are the wave of the future. That wave seems to be growing a lot slower than some proponents had hoped for. The main resistance is undoubtedly the price of the epub readers, with the Sony Reader and Kindle in the $300 plus range. (That's a lot of paperbacks, especially if you buy them used.) You can read epubs in most formats on your computer, of course, but not everybody finds that convenient or pleasant. Also, there's the "tactile factor" to consider- many book buyers still prefer the heft, feel and even smell of a book over the cold glare of a computer screen or epub reader. (Sony has a leather cover for their Reader, but that hasn't fooled anyone.) Still, epubs are a bargain, and epub readers can store hundreds. But while epub readers are way cool, are they really a substitute for a nice bookcase full of books just waiting for your perusal?

Somehow, I don't think bookcase makers have anything to worry about just yet. And IMHO, until epub readers come down in price and a lot more book buyers warm to the notion of paperless books, no epub award is going to boost ebook sales much.

Again, just my two pennies.

veinglory
10-17-2008, 12:30 AM
I am not entirely sure that the two are connected. There are promotional efforts that will increase ebook sales such as a promonant soft sell review, a well designed contest + discount coupon etc. So I don't personally feel all contests are doomed to be ineffective with ebooks, although it is certainly possible. And until an ebook contest is effectively aimed at ebook readers I doubt the notion will even have been tested. I mean the sales of high literature are not that much bigger than ebook erotic romance, and literary book contests still seem to spike sales. The difference IMHO is that readers of the genre are actively interested in who is nominated for and who wins the award.

MissLadyRae
10-19-2008, 05:45 AM
I was a member for two years. Didn't get anything out of it other than the usual "feel-good" pep speeches about how epubs were going to change the world.

Didn't bother renewing this year. A bit too incestous a group, if you ask me. Not to mention that they really don't do much else other than slap each other on the back for anything. IMO, of course.


I agree. I was kinda soured on the whole thing especially during the big epublishing crashes (http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2008/03/23/where-the-hell-is-epic). I hadn't really benefited from the organization so I finished with them as well.

Some may go for support and all but I get enough support from my awesome crit group and fellow writer friends.

I agree that epubs and small presses will take the industry in a new ways, but it'll be with a few who really have their hearts in it and not just put up a sign to make a quick buck off a few poor authors.

Daddyo
11-05-2011, 07:03 PM
http://www.epicorg.com/ Anyone here a member of this organization? Is it worthwhile joining up with their group? Their EPICon is being held in San Antonio in March, which is just a hop, skip, and a jump from my house, so I'm entertaining the thought of attending. Thanks.

KimJo
12-03-2011, 07:26 PM
EPIC is also the organization that acts as a voice for e-publishers and e-published authors (whether self-published or published by a royalty-paying publisher).

I'm a member. They're pretty active in trying to combat e-book piracy. They also sponsor an e-book award competition every year, formerly known as the Eppies. (You don't have to be a member to enter, but the entry fee is lower for members. That was why I joined in the first place.) On their loops, there are sometimes calls for submissions from e-publishers. The fee to join is quite low, and I know some people have made good connections there, so it could be worth it for you to join.

Daddyo
12-05-2011, 12:34 AM
Thanks KimJo. I sure am thinking about trekking over and hanging out with those folks and maybe get a little networking working.

veinglory
12-05-2011, 04:00 AM
I am a former member, I think it can be good value if you are starting out or plan to go to the con. It is not without its "issues" -- like any smallish organization

Soccer Mom
12-05-2011, 05:41 AM
I'm going because it is just a few hours from me. Several of the other Musa peeps are going as well and I'm looking forward to meeting them in person. San Antonio is a fun city.

Joliedupre
12-15-2011, 06:16 AM
http://www.epicorg.com/ Anyone here a member of this organization? Is it worthwhile joining up with their group? Their EPICon is being held in San Antonio in March, which is just a hop, skip, and a jump from my house, so I'm entertaining the thought of attending. Thanks.

I've attended a number of EPICons. Unfortunately, I can't make San Antonio next year. But my publisher will be there. Say hello to Jim and Zetta if you go!

Jersey Chick
12-15-2011, 06:23 AM
I was a member, but let it lapse because I really didn't get much out of it.

SRHowen
02-17-2012, 10:38 AM
I'll be there, on the 17th, just a few hours away and my publisher invited me.

CaoPaux
06-20-2012, 06:35 AM
Updating link: http://www.epicorg.com/

Ann_Mayburn
06-20-2012, 05:43 PM
It's really interesting reading these old posts. Like a time capsule. :D Back on topic, I've entered two books and if I'm blessed enough to final I'll let you know about any sales bumps. ;)

gingerwoman
04-13-2013, 02:04 PM
Nevermind post was irrelevant sorry.