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KitKatTGM
12-07-2004, 12:34 PM
Tonight, I received a writing agreement from Best Seller Publishing, Inc., located in Bruce, WI. Best Seller Publishing is owned by Lori Prokop. Is anyone familiar with this company? I want to know before I do anything with the contract. Thank you.

Stephenie Hovland
12-07-2004, 06:24 PM
I don't know the company, but I know Bruce. It's a very small town in the northern woods of WI. My in-laws are from there. Very quaint. I would imagine (but really don't know!) that it's a very small company.

Okay - I just googled the company. I don't see anything saying it's in Bruce. They all say New York. And, they all promote slick marketing workshops.

Sorry, I'm no help, am I?

James D Macdonald
12-07-2004, 07:55 PM
Are any books they published on the shelves of your local bookstore?

vstrauss
12-07-2004, 10:11 PM
This doesn't sound like a publishing company at all, but one of those marketing enterprises where people who are supposedly experts incite those who want to become rich/famous/successful to pay for their workshops/publications/audiotapes.

See here: www.publicityhound.com/pu...income.htm (http://www.publicityhound.com/publicity-products/marketing-tapes/superlucrativeincome.htm)

- Victoria

HapiSofi
12-08-2004, 03:20 AM
What Victoria Said. Best Seller is the publishing equivalent of "Make Money Fast."

As far as I can tell, their most prominent book is The World's Best Kept Health Secret Revealed (http://www.worldchiropracticalliance.org/tcj/2004/jan/c.htm), which is basically a collection of 50 essays extolling the wonders of chiropractic, written by 50 different chiropractors. Here's what makes the book special:
The book is just the first part of the innovative program that could turn thousands of doctors into published book authors. ...

What makes the book unique is that every doctor of chiropractic has the opportunity become a published author. Doctors can buy into the program for a fee, which covers professional editing of their chapter, as well as a print run of 400 books. The books will be available through Amazon.com and other well known book dealers.

Being the author of a book creates a tremendous amount of instant credibility. That's why so many "experts" are identified by the number of books they've written. "Books can establish their authors as experts, create an increased demand for a company's products and services, solidify customer loyalty, and distinguish the authors from the competition," said book publisher Pola Firestone in an article for the Kansas City Star.That is, the chiropractor writes his own little chapter, then these guys polish it up for him and sell him 400 copies of the book with his chapter bound into it. It's a prop to help establish his credibility with naive clients, whether or not he succeeds in selling them a copy.

Isn't that cute? Lori Prokop's name is all over the project. It looks like she's the organizer. The only contact number on the page is hers.

Speaking of Make Money Fast, Ms. Prokop's associate Willie Crawford (http://www.williecrawford.com/workshop-videos.html) of Crawford Marketing Consultants trots out every cliche you've ever seen used in MMF spam letters:
My friends and I would like to share with you how to finally begin making really incredible money online. We just finished recording the amazingly empowering Internet Marketing Power Workshop and I know that the information in the video and audio tapes from the event can make a real difference in your online efforts. The tapes will FINALLY show you step-by-step how to make major profits.

We show and explain exactly how we accomplish some incredible feats and in the process generate millions of dollars! ...

We literally tell you how we run our day to day businesses and make incredible profits.

We demonstrate that you can do it too, and share with you those little things most online marketers completely miss. Those little things are what make the difference between earning $50,000 a year and earning $300,000 or even several million dollars a year.

Many people will never achieve that level of success simply because they can't believe that it can be done. When you see and hear people describe actually doing it, that changes what you know that you CAN DO TOO!It reeks of scammer. And Lori Prokop is one of the featured speakers.

To get a sense of this woman's internet footprint, just Google on "best seller publishing" prokop. It's all stuff like: "How To Make A Fortune With The Inner Circle Secrets To The World of Licensing!" (http://www.licensingsecrets.com/), and "Give Me 4 Days & I'll Give You The Tools To A Successful Internet Moneymaking Business" / "If You Need Extra Money Right Now Your Home Computer Could Be A Goldmine" (http://www.seminarislandtapes.com/). That latter one links to a subpage about Lori Prokop (http://www.seminarislandtapes.com/prokop.htm), with a photo and everything. It says:
You'll learn Lori Prokop's Product Development system so you can create multiple streams of income by replicating this product development system over-and-over again (you'll be shocked to learn how quickly and easily this system can produce products you can sell for thousands of dollars). ... Lori is host and the lady behind the Best Seller Publishing events.You can also find a lot of information about Lori Prokop at ... you gotta see this URL ... www.marketers-hall-of-fame.com/7-sheer-genius/lori-prokop.html (http://www.marketers-hall-of-fame.com/7-sheer-genius/lori-prokop.html). Almost all the books mentioned there are about how to make big money in marketing. That's one of the basic scams: Let us sell you our infallible system for making big money by selling things to other people.

In short, Lori Prokop might as well have a giant neon sign over her head that says SNAKE OIL SALESMAN. Do not go near her. Consider not going near anyone who's associated with her in any way. Except for KitKat, of course.

DaveKuzminski
12-08-2004, 06:32 AM
I think Prokop is a pseudonym as there appears to be one line where it's mentioned in that website that she claimes to be a professional police officer. Now, why does that not surprise me?

KitKatTGM
12-09-2004, 02:05 PM
Thanks for all of the great advice. But this job has nothing to do with any get-rich-quick scheme. I think I will take it, because it's a ghostwriting job and I have nothing really to lose.

James D Macdonald
12-09-2004, 07:42 PM
A word of advice from an old work-for-hire writer, if you please?

Make sure the check clears before you start writing. Absolutely do not give them anything until after they've paid you.

HapiSofi
12-09-2004, 11:47 PM
KitKat, don't be a fool. These are professional con artists. You have more to lose than you realize.

mdin
04-14-2005, 06:36 AM
Hey Kitkat, how'd that assignment turn out?

These guys are back on the radar. Check it out. (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10672)

James D. Macdonald
04-15-2005, 05:55 AM
http://www.bookmillionaire.com/

This strikes me as a particularly bad idea. Particularly since actually writing a book doesn't seem to be a part of the plan.

I think, instead, that it's a way to get email addresses of aspiring writers to sell to spammers.

CaoPaux
04-15-2005, 06:05 AM
Agreed. Here's where "Lori Prokop" has come up before.

<old link snipped>

Yucky.

Moondancer
04-15-2005, 04:02 PM
You have a desire to become published and to live the incredible lifestyle of a
rich, famous author, or...

Umm... What's that? From what I've seen and read, authors' lifestyles are as varied as the type of stories they write.

Richard
04-15-2005, 04:44 PM
More on this one here:

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10672

DeadlyAccurate
04-15-2005, 07:44 PM
Umm... What's that? From what I've seen and read, authors' lifestyles are as varied as the type of stories they write.

Obviously that would mean they would play lots of computer games in the evenings, watch movies, and fit in some time to exercise. That's what I'd do if I were a rich and famous author; that's what I'd do now. Can't imagine that changing just 'cause I had money. So I volunteer my lifestyle as the one to emulate.

Julian Black
04-16-2005, 06:33 AM
You have a desire to become published and to live the incredible lifestyle of a
rich, famous author, or... Hey, I'm not even published and I'm living the incredible lifestyle of a rich, famous author. My butt is in my chair and I'm writing. I'll betcha Stephen King's butt was in his chair and he was writing today, too...

Elincoln
04-16-2005, 07:18 AM
I checked around the major stations. CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, UPN do NOT show this as part of their agenda ANYWHERE. Where's the name of the Production Company? Who's directing this? As a matter of fact, who's the big name authors their talking about?

This definitely smells...

-Elaine

mommie4a
05-03-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm not sure if this belongs here or in Sharing Leads so please feel free to move it if necessary.

I read about this Apprentice/Survivor/Absolute Idol contest to get published through Tim Bete's newsletter for humor writers. It will be a reality show that follows writers trying to promo and market their books. Application process starts online at www.bookmillionaire.com (http://www.bookmillionaire.com). I'd love to know if anyone has heard of the folks putting it on (Lori Prokep I think is the name on the emails I got). I'm not interested in it, but I'm sure there are many folks who might be.

Good luck. Jenna - do you know anything about this project?

Richard
05-03-2005, 06:08 PM
It's come up before - capsule synopsis: "Sigh". You don't need a book, you don't need an idea for a book, you don't need to want to have an idea for a book - just the desire to sell someone else's books for a couple of weeks, and possibly win what looks very much like a vanity publishing deal.

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10672

James D. Macdonald
05-03-2005, 06:08 PM
This has already been roundly mocked here (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10672).

victoriastrauss
05-03-2005, 06:09 PM
To avoid thread proliferation, I'm going to merge the threads where this has been discussed.

- Victoria

Lauri B
05-03-2005, 07:22 PM
Dan Poynter's newsletter was also promoting this stupid "contest." I think they must have just spammed all the writing and publishing newsletters.

mommie4a
05-03-2005, 10:06 PM
Yeah - I guess I'm disappointed to see folks I've respected - or who at least seem to be putting out usually useful and fair information - put out less worthy promos. Oh well - you know, if it works for some folks...? I dunno....

soloset
05-03-2005, 10:20 PM
I've been reading over the PA thread on this.

How sad. How unbearably, wretchedly, horribly sad. :(

"Life is a gamble and all about chance for us older folks anyway, As we get older we realize that."

I've read dozens of books on con artists, and the mindset in that thread is exactly the sort of mindset that costs your grandmom her life savings when some slick guy calls to offer fly-by-night stocks or vinyl siding or any number of scams.

And in most cases, grandmom never gets her life savings back, she just gives up and passes away, and the crook gets a slap on the wrist.

It's so frustratingly heartbreaking I want to cry. Or kick somebody. Bother.

MsRasputina
05-03-2005, 10:33 PM
I used a dummy email address and signed up to get updates and access to their blog.

I'm shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- that aside from a generic "Thanks for signing up!" autorespond message, I've heard nothing yet.

stormie
05-03-2005, 11:12 PM
Their web site almost looks like poetry.con

astonwest
05-04-2005, 02:43 AM
Considering how animated and disagreeable some authors can get, I could see where it may get exciting from time to time...

JennaGlatzer
05-04-2005, 02:48 AM
Just FYI: They tried to advertise through AW. My partner was smart enough to run it by Amy and me. We said... no. We might have said it louder than that.

Betty W01
05-04-2005, 11:45 PM
Here's something interesting I received today from a writer friend:

Dear writer:

Reality TV has finally come to the world of publishing.

"Book Millionaire," a new reality TV show featuring authors and would-be authors, is having a casting call for the show's debut season (fall 2005). Eight people who want to become published or achieve best-selling status will begin filming in August. The application deadline is July 31, 2005. See
http://www.bookmillionaire.com (http://www.bookmillionaire.com/)
The show's Web site says, "Viewers will feel the excitement of intense tasks and growing stakes as the doors to publishing success open. The Candidates' goal is to be the one who is headed to press. Each week one Candidate Author will hear the dreaded words, 'The doors to publishing have closed.'" The last time I checked, all a writer had to do to hear the dreaded words, "The doors to publishing have closed," was mail a few query letters.


Keep writing!
Tim Bete
Humor columnist (http://www.TimBete.com (http://www.timbete.com/)) and
director, Erma Bombeck Writers' Workshop (http://www.HumorWriters.org (http://www.humorwriters.org/))

P.S. Feel free to forward this newsletter to all your writer friends.
--------------------------------
Please do not contact the Empress about this - go to the web site above for more information. Be sure to come back and share if you make it in!!

mommie4a
05-04-2005, 11:49 PM
Hi Betty -

I saw that too and started a thread yesterday. Victoria Strauss new better and combined my thread with another thread about the same topic. So now there's a thread somewhere called www.bookmillionaire.com (http://www.bookmillionaire.com). I'm not sure where exactly but I guess you could search on it or just ask Victoria (you're both mods, right?).

Best - Jill

Jumping_bean
05-05-2005, 06:16 AM
Wisconsin Circuit Court Access
Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (WCCA)


Kenneth Johnson -vs- Lori & Marty Prokop

Eau Claire County Case Number 1999TJ000022

Filing Date
Case Type
Case Status
06-04-1999
Transcript of Judgment
Filed Only
Class Code Description
Responsible Official

Parties
Party Type
Party Name
Party Status
Creditor
Johnson, Kenneth
Debtor
Prokop, Lori
Debtor
Prokop, Marty
Garnishee
Dayle K. Maloney & Assoc. Ltd

Civil Judgment(s)
Type
Debtor Name
Multiple Debtors
Amount
Satisfaction
Satis. Date
Foreign Judgment
Prokop, Lori
Yes
$ 49,927.00
No

Party Details
Johnson, Kenneth - Creditor
Date of Birth
Sex
Race 1

Address
Address Updated On

Prokop, Lori - Debtor
Date of Birth
Sex
Race 1

Address
Address Updated On

Prokop, Marty - Debtor
Date of Birth
Sex
Race 1

Address
Address Updated On

Dayle K. Maloney & Assoc. Ltd - Garnishee
Date of Birth
Sex
Race 1

Address
Address Updated On
3301 Golf Rd #203, Eau Claire, WI 54701
06-04-1999
Party Attorney(s)
Attorney Name
GAL
Entered

Lokken, Jane E
No
06-22-1999

Civil Judgment(s)
Foreign Judgment
County
Case Number
Case Caption
Eau Claire
1999TJ000022
Kenneth Johnson -vs- Lori & Marty Prokop
Judgment/Lien Date
Total Amount
DOR Warrant Number
06-04-1999
$ 49,927.00

Date and Time Docketed
Service/Event Date
06-07-1999 at 11:05 am

Satisfaction
Satisfaction Date
Type Of Tax
No

Property/Remarks
Transcript of judgment from Dakota County, Minnesota. Jdg is against 3rd Party defendants and is in favor of def & 3rd Party plt. Execution returned partially satisfied 1/4/99 in the amt of $3740.12 which was $1047.73 off of interest and $2662.39 off of prinicipal.
Judgment Parties
Party Type
Name
Dismissed
Status
Address
Creditor
Johnson, Kenneth
No
Active
WI
Debtor
Prokop, Lori
No
Active
WI
Debtor
Prokop, Marty
No
Active
WI
Costs / Amounts
Description
Amount
Docketing fee
$ 5.00
Judgment amount
$ 49,922.00

1 The designation listed in the Race field is subjective. It is provided to the court by the agency that filed the case. 2 Non-Court activities do not require personal court appearances. For questions regarding which court type activities require court appearances, please contact the Clerk of Circuit Court in the county where the case originated.

MartyKay
05-05-2005, 10:09 AM
That's really interesting, but umm... the point is mislaid?

hunterwoman75
06-04-2005, 03:51 AM
Wow, who would have thought it? lol I am going to check it out more indepth. I wonder if Canadians are allowed to enter? I only say this because with Survivor you have to be a US citizen.

have a great day,

Hunterwoman75

Richard
06-04-2005, 03:54 AM
I assume that's a joke. This is such an awful scam that it's almost funny. (http://www.richardcobbett.co.uk/journal/2005/04/book-millionaire/)

hunterwoman75
06-04-2005, 06:52 AM
no, I'm serious about Survivor you have to live in the US.

Hunterwoman75

hunterwoman75
06-04-2005, 06:24 PM
I read the application, and guess what. It is only for residents of the United States. Too bad I'm Canadian.

Hunterwoman75

Richard
06-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Why too bad? Too bad that you can't be scammed by this blatantly inane idea, and lose out on the chance to stand around selling other people's books and having your intelligence insulted by Lori Porkchop's Donald Trump impression? You do realise that they don't even promise to get your book in stores, never mind making you a 'book millionaire'. You don't even have to have a manuscript, or ever to have written a single line of a book before, to enter.

Just be grateful you're not even a target and don't give this another thought.

hunterwoman75
06-04-2005, 10:47 PM
I read the whole thing. It could have been interesting if it weren't so restricting on where you live. I don't think that it's fair that they put restrictions on who can enter based on where you live.

It could be a scam and maybe it's not, you never know until you've been through it.

Hunterwoman75

Richard
06-04-2005, 11:12 PM
It could be a scam and maybe it's not, you never know until you've been through it.

Rubbish.

firehorse
06-05-2005, 12:06 AM
I'm both developed and produced reality TV shows, so trust me - this is a no-starter.

I don't think it's a scam, per se - with the intention of fleecing people - but rather a very misguided attempt by a production company with a completely novice and/or idiotic development person. I don't fault them the hyperbolic statement along the lines of "the glamorous life of a best-selling author" (though we all know that's an oxymoron); when doing pitches, one must often be hyperbolic. These are the problems:

First, as Richard points out in his blog, writing makes for extremely dull television. Writers, in general, are not that compelling, though I'm sure they could find a dozen or so egomaniacs who act out. This would be so bland that not even Book Television would air it (Canadian or U.S.).

Second, if it were as good an idea as it sounds, somebody would have already done it. I thought about it, but as quickly as it blew into my head, it flew out again, because I knew it would make for crappy TV.

Third, the fine print Richard highlights in his blog is very, very important. While the producers have every right to say they don't guarantee success, the whole "available to bookstores" and not "in bookstores" is a gi-normous red flag.

And fourth, this thing has been around for at least three years (I first saw it in 2002); every year, I'd imagine, they try to sell it at MIPCOM, and every year, so far, it's failed.

Hunterwoman, I understand what you're saying about residency requirements for reality shows but this one's not worth your time.

Cheers,
Sarah

Feyd
06-05-2005, 12:06 AM
2 seconds of looking at the webpage was enough for me to pass judgement... if they were affiliated with any major studio, they'dve had a much more professional-looking site. The forms (and that shade of yellow that's so popular with crap sites) that they use just scream of unprofessionalism, and I'm fairly sure that somewhere along the line you'll get a chance to part with some cash.

Richard
06-05-2005, 02:08 AM
I'm both developed and produced reality TV shows

DEATH TO THE DEMON!

(:wag: <--- Possibly)

firehorse
06-05-2005, 02:12 AM
DEATH TO THE DEMON!

(:wag: <--- Possibly)I didn't say I was proud of it. The development ones were decent and didn't harm anyone. The one I produced... let's just say there's a black mark on my soul I'll never be able to scour away.

James D. Macdonald
06-05-2005, 08:05 AM
Another AW thread about Book Millionaire: http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10672

mdin
04-06-2006, 02:34 AM
For those of you who don't read NEPAT overflow, the website has been updated.

I voted for the Robin lady.

victoriastrauss
04-06-2006, 03:10 AM
Holy moly. Those poor people.

Browsing the "About the Show" page, I saw this:

After listening to all the emails asking how people could make sure they could see the show (regardless of where they lived) and talking to cable channels, who were both very interested in the show and very fun to talk with, and talking to sponsors who wanted the highest amount of distribution possible, we have all agreed that broadcasting Book Millionaire online for FREE is a great answer.Translation: The cable TV channels we approached wouldn't even take a meeting. So we're stuck with the Internet.

- Victoria

mdin
04-06-2006, 06:19 AM
Yes, I'm sure the sponsors were thrilled that it didn't get on television.

The private PA board is stuffing the ballot box for PAer Harold "Andy" Anderson.



We believe it will create the greatest “water cooler” word-of-mouth.

heh.

James D. Macdonald
04-06-2006, 06:49 PM
We believe it will create the greatest “water cooler” word-of-mouth.

As long as they come over to see for themselves.

CaoPaux
01-21-2008, 05:28 AM
Neither gone nor forgotten: http://leegoldberg.typepad.com/a_writers_life/2007/09/lori-prokops-sp.html