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scarletpeaches
06-13-2007, 05:27 AM
I'm putting this in Roundtable because these days vampires aren't limited to horror - they can be found in romance, chicklit, YA, sci-fi, fantasy, you name it.

So. Just a general discussion. I've always been a fan of vampires in book and film. Like the chicklit genre, rumours of the demise of vampiric characters have been circulating for a while now but what say you?

I reckon if you can come up with a fresh angle, a new plot twist, vampires will live on (ho ho!) but there are a million cliches waiting to trip us up. The black leather, the innocent virgin victim, the brooding, angsty vampire guy...

Do you read vampire fiction? Do you think it's run its course? Any new authors appearing on the scene? What do you hate/love about the undead and vampire authors?

I mean those who write about the undead, not authors who are themselves of the...well, maybe...;)

Sassee
06-13-2007, 05:44 AM
Lindsay Sands puts a new twist on vampires, as do many other authors. Vampires are FINALLY shedding their traditional French accents and frou frou dress style. They're evolving, just like everyone else. Of note is also MaryJanice Davidson, although hers are more traditional, but still interesting. Charlaine Harris is pretty popular too. Those are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head.

I'm of the opinion that Vampire lit hasn't yet run its course, tho I have noticed werewolves and magic users are a bit more popular at the moment (or maybe I have this weird talent of picking out books that have more wolves than blood suckers?). Vampires represent everything naughty, and every heroine needs something naughty or tempting, so I doubt they'll go completely out of style for a while.

Movies? Vampires are definitely in a "down" phase right now. The last vampire movie I remember showing in theatres was Queen of the Damned.

Am I writing about 'em? Yes! My current vampire is a minor character but he still lurks in the darkness, wooing unsuspecting college girls into giving him a little sustenance.

Would I read new vampire stories? Absolutely!

rugcat
06-13-2007, 05:45 AM
Sexy brooding vampires bore me. Suave sexy vampires annoy me. I want my vampires dripping with grave dirt, with the stench of rotten flesh and corruption hanging around them like stink on you-know what.

Like this guy:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/rugcat/nosferatu.jpg

Then, when the woman has to willingly spend the night with it in order to vanquish the creature, it means something.

scarletpeaches
06-13-2007, 05:47 AM
Freda Warrington's books are great - I've read them countless times but I think her Charlotte and Karl books are out of print, at least in Britain.

Will Lavender
06-13-2007, 05:54 AM
Sexy brooding vampires bore me. Suave sexy vampires annoy me. I want my vampires dripping with grave dirt, with the stench of rotten flesh and corruption hanging around them like stink on you-know what.

Like this guy:

Then, when the woman has to willingly spend the night with it in order to vanquish the creature, it means something.

Have you read David J. Skal's The Horror Show?

Apparently Bram Stoker's widow tried for years to sue the makers of Nosferatu with no success. She was a notorious b-word; she fought biographers for years, forever really, and there's still no definitive of Stoker available.

Speaking of Stoker. Skal suggests that Dracula was such a leap in creativity for him -- an otherwise pitiful writer -- that some critics, including HP Lovecraft, have posited that the novel might be the work of someone else.

kristie911
06-13-2007, 05:55 AM
I enjoy a good vampire book. Notice I said GOOD. There are plenty of crappy ones out there. I like novels with a new twist on vampires, not just the same old cliches.

Just for the record, most of the vampire novels I read are paranormal suspense. Nothing like a 400 year old, sexy, brooding vampire... :)

Jedi Dad
06-13-2007, 06:05 AM
Vampire threads suck :poke:


sorry, couldn't resist

Jedi Dad
06-13-2007, 06:07 AM
Seriously, one of my favorite vampire books is The Dracula Tape.

Tells the story of Bram Stokers Dracula from Draculas POV. He speaks the whole story onto a tape recorder. Really interesting twist on a great book.

rugcat
06-13-2007, 06:14 AM
Speaking of Stoker. Skal suggests that Dracula was such a leap in creativity for him -- an otherwise pitiful writer -- that some critics, including HP Lovecraft, have posited that the novel might be the work of someone else.Or, just maybe, could it have been...NON FICTION!

Jedi Dad
06-13-2007, 06:17 AM
Or, just maybe, could it have been...NON FICTION!

You just blew my mind

Sassee
06-13-2007, 06:24 AM
Someone needs to write a story about a "minor" vampire. Most times I hear about the resident leader, or if it's not a leader, it's the most powerful vampire in the area who should be a leader. Someone needs to write about the dorky punching bag of the vampire world. :)

Jedi Dad
06-13-2007, 06:28 AM
Someone needs to write a story about a "minor" vampire. Most times I hear about the resident leader, or if it's not a leader, it's the most powerful vampire in the area who should be a leader. Someone needs to write about the dorky punching bag of the vampire world. :)


Thats not a bad idea. A friend of mine just finished proof reading a story of mine and asked when I was going to write a vampire story. Wanna sell that idea for a rep point? lol

ChaosTitan
06-13-2007, 06:47 AM
Movies? Vampires are definitely in a "down" phase right now. The last vampire movie I remember showing in theatres was Queen of the Damned.


You must have missed Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, Blade 1-3, Van Helsing, BloodRayne, and The Covenant. ;)

Although I don't know anyone who will admit to watching BloodRayne, because as I understand it, it's one of the worst movies ever.


Someone needs to write about the dorky punching bag of the vampire world. :)

Ha! That made me think of Harmony (Buffy/Angel), the most inept, dumb-blonde vampire ever.

http://www.atpobtvs.com/images/vampHarmony.jpg



Personally, you can't turn around in Borders without falling over another new Vampire novel. The trick is to make yours stand out. Do something unique with the genre, trip me up. Make me go "I wish I'd thought of that!"

Paranormal in general is still booming, but it seems more agents are looking for that "different" take on it. Succubi are popular, as are other demons and fey. I think writers of vampire and werewolf fiction have to work a little bit harder to stand out now.

katiemac
06-13-2007, 07:17 AM
Apparently Bram Stoker's widow tried for years to sue the makers of Nosferatu with no success. She was a notorious b-word; she fought biographers for years, forever really, and there's still no definitive of Stoker available.

Speaking of Stoker. Skal suggests that Dracula was such a leap in creativity for him -- an otherwise pitiful writer -- that some critics, including HP Lovecraft, have posited that the novel might be the work of someone else.

Probably the widow's.

Elodie-Caroline
06-13-2007, 01:23 PM
I had an idea for a Vampire story a few months ago, but I had already given up wanting to write horror stories when I was in my twenties. I still think my idea was a good one though; I haven't seen it anywhere else so far.

Anyway, I used to really like reading Vampire stories when I was younger, they were so much better than the gawd-awful Christopher Lee films I used to see as a kid. Dracula, red-eyed, no personality and totally laughable... Then came along Lost boys, brilliant compared to the old vampire films!

I read The journal of Edwin Underhill by Peter Tonkin back in 1983, I loved that book, it showed the transformation of a person into a vampire. Best of all, I was on holiday in Devon at the time, this story was set in Exeter, just a few miles up the road lol. I also read They thirst by Robert R. McCammon in those days, that was another great book for its time. Over the last 10 years or so, there was Anne Rice, I like her writing and her stories, I've even read Interview with the vampire twice because I enjoyed it so much.

I don't think that vampires will ever really be out of fashion, as we all like to be scared a little in the dark and be thrilled by so-called dark forces.


Elodie

ccarver30
06-13-2007, 04:07 PM
I was never in to vampire-ish stuff until I read Twilight by Stephenie Meyer. It's a YA book but the vampire-ness is not the main plot (not really).
The follow up book is called New Moon and I liked it even better than the first. The third in her collection is called Eclipse and will come out in August. I adore her characters and even went to the city where the book takes place- a tiny town called Forks in Washington.

swvaughn
06-13-2007, 04:15 PM
Vamps rule. :D

Agent Nathan Bransford says vampires haven't gone out of style. I like to think of them as just another race... you know, Asian, African, Anglo-Saxon, Vampiric, Indian...

They prefer to be thought of that way as well. Vamps are people too.

You're prejudiced against vampires, aren't you? Admit it!

:D

Calla Lily
06-13-2007, 04:41 PM
Love, love, love ALL the Christopher Lee/Hammer Films Draculas. Own 'em all. He's so evil and alluring, in such a BAD way. :e2teeth:

Then there's Geraint Wyn Davies. >sigh< He could bite my neck any day. But his conscience wouldn't let him.

Anyone read F. Paul Wilson's Midnight Mass? Good novella, and (surprisingly) good expansion into a novel. Father Joe chews the scenery in such a delightful way after he's bitten. And the evil vamps are pure, disgusting, unremitting evil. Don't see the movie, it, well, sucked. No pun! It wasn't worth the celluloid.

Charlaine Harris' Sookie Stackhouse series is fun and different. I liked the first 3 or 4--now they've lost vamp focus, IMO, and I haven't cared for the last 2. But I'll still read her newest when it comes out.

So, um, yeah, you can say I'll read/watch pretty much anything vamp.

PattiTheWicked
06-13-2007, 04:42 PM
I'm waiting for a vampire who looks like Bill Gates and wears a pocket protector.

Dexter the Blood Sucking Accountant.

aruna
06-13-2007, 05:08 PM
Never read a vampire novel. Most probably never will. No interest in them in the least!

Namatu
06-13-2007, 05:30 PM
I also enjoy a good vampire book, but I haven't found too many of them around lately (taking notes from this thread). MaryJanice Davidson highly entertains me, although the "plots" have become ever thinner with each new book so I won't buy them in hardcover.

I read the Sookie Stackhouse books when someone gives them to me, but don't go out of my way for them. It's unattractive to me as a reader to read repeatedly about some vampries cold skin under Sookie's hands. Ugh. Realistic, maybe. Desirable, no.

I tried Colleen Gleason's The Rest Falls Away, and found it challenged. There were some uncomfortable Buffy parallels and some stupid plot points, and lately I've had rather a low tolerance for stupid plot points.

Maggie Shayne has a great vampire series that's suffered in more recent books.

As more paranormals have been published, the pickings have slimmed out, but there's still mileage left the in genre, especially if an author can put a new approach to it.

MelodyO
06-13-2007, 05:57 PM
You must have missed Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, Blade 1-3, Van Helsing, BloodRayne, and The Covenant. ;)

I didn't miss Van Helsing...but I wish I had. Heh.


Ha! That made me think of Harmony (Buffy/Angel), the most inept, dumb-blonde vampire ever.

Her slap fight with Xander was a classic of the genre. :D


I'm waiting for a vampire who looks like Bill Gates and wears a pocket protector.

Dexter the Blood Sucking Accountant.

Bwah! Or IRS agent. When I was a teenager I remember reading a comic book wherein the MC was a Jewish vampire, with all the accompanying complications that entailed. I still remember how exciting the new twist on the old idea was, all these years later. There's a lesson in that, I believe.

Sassee
06-13-2007, 06:15 PM
You must have missed Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, Blade 1-3, Van Helsing, BloodRayne, and The Covenant. ;)

I feel ashamed now... I own Underworld! But the Blade movies aren't recent, just the third one. I too had the misfortune to see BloodRayne. Maybe I didn't remember it because my subconscious was trying to block it. Haven't seen The Covenant. Is it good?

Jedi Dad - sure, you can use it. Good writers "borrow" and all that. I'll race you to a good plot! ;)

Calla Lily
06-13-2007, 06:39 PM
I liked Blade 1. Loved that special effect where the flying skeletons come out of the vamps' mouths. Besides, I like Stephen Dorff.

I made it through about 10 minutes of BloodRayne. Do I get a medal? :D

The novel Vampire$ was different and interesting, IMO. The movie from it (John Carpenter's Vampires), so-so. I have an immediate distrust of any movie title with the director's name as part of it. Call me cynical.

veinglory
06-13-2007, 06:40 PM
I do think their popularity will decline a little. It's crazy now that you can barely find a romance without a vampire in it. And they aren't fresh takes on the idea but the whole brooding, dark haired, fake accent cliche!

Elodie-Caroline
06-13-2007, 06:47 PM
My romance doesn't have a vampire in it... I guess people will put anything into their book in hopes of increasing its sales. :)

Elodie-Caroline
06-13-2007, 06:52 PM
For Vampire films, i like:
Interview with the Vampire (nearly as good as the book)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (been reading that just lately too.)
The hunger
Lost boys

I also really like the female anorexic vampires in Van Helsing, but don't think much to the film itself I'm afraid.

Calla Lily
06-13-2007, 07:02 PM
:e2smack: I'm an idiot!

Gerard Butler in Dracula 2000.

[drool] :e2brows:

:e2faint:

Stacia Kane
06-13-2007, 07:23 PM
My vampires are suave, sexy, and sarcastic, who dress normally and don't tend to brood much (at least, not about being vampires.) :-) They'd rather drink a lot and get laid.

They do have English accents though...because they're English.

I do love vampires...sigh...although I agree that most of the vamp romances out there tend to be a bit dull at times.

And I loved Blade 1 and 2. Didn't get through twenty minutes of Trinity though.

scarletpeaches
06-13-2007, 07:26 PM
In my trunk novel, there was only one vampire who was cocky and charismatic but I'm thinking of reworking it so he's not so wonderfully seductive. Looked down upon by others of his kind as a try-hard, and the heroine's eyes are opened when she meets other vampires and discovers the man she's in lust with isn't all that, after all. He'll turn out to be rather pathetic in comparison.

There's a heck of a lot of work to be done as it's just awful in its current state, but I love the characters, so I don't want to let them die (if you'll pardon the pun).

But that's way in the future as I have a novel to finish and another which needs representation so they are my priorities at the moment.

MelodyO
06-13-2007, 07:35 PM
My vampires are suave, sexy, and sarcastic, who dress normally and don't tend to brood much (at least, not about being vampires.) :-) They'd rather drink a lot and get laid.

They do have English accents though...because they're English.



I <3 <3 <3 your vampires.

Jack Nog
06-13-2007, 07:46 PM
I drove to work one day thinking of a vampire novel. I try to write horror, and it's just obligatory that a horror writer put up a vampire story?

Anyway, so I was stuck behind some dump truck and a line came to me out of no where. I'm trying to stick to my WIP, so I wrote it down in my tiny notebook I keep in the glovebox. I thought it was an interesting start to....something.


I met a vampire once. His name was Carl and he worked a night construction job running a cement truck until dawn. Apparently, a vampire is not all it's cracked up to be.

I don't know...it sounded funny at the time.

Namatu
06-13-2007, 08:48 PM
What was wrong with Van Helsing? I spent most of my viewing time distracted by Hugh Jackman's pretty.

Blade II was atrocious. It prepared me and the other hecklers for the third one - hilarious.

Calla Lily
06-13-2007, 09:20 PM
I spent much of Van Helsing admiring how the monk sidekick character was so different from Faramir--and rejoicing that there's one more actor out there who isn't a one-note-symphony.

Atho I did enjoy the moment when Hugh ripped off his clothes just before he werewolf'ed. Yum. :D

Namatu
06-13-2007, 09:28 PM
Ah, good memories!

Dave.C.Robinson
06-13-2007, 11:28 PM
I've got one novel in progress with a tangential reference to vampires (not sure how much they'll appear in it.)

I'm reading The Historian right now and it's a very good vampire book. I think there will always be room for them on the shelves, but the amount may vary.

chartreuse
06-14-2007, 02:19 AM
I had a real love of vampire stories at one point, and still would consider writing one someday, if I came up with an interesting twist. I do believe there are still stories to be told within the genre.

Three of my favorites from the old days: "The World on Blood" by Jonathan Nasaw, "Lost Souls" by Poppy Z. Brite and "The Making of a Monster" by Gail Petersen.

scarletpeaches
06-14-2007, 02:21 AM
I spent much of Van Helsing admiring how the monk sidekick character was so different from Faramir--and rejoicing that there's one more actor out there who isn't a one-note-symphony.

Atho I did enjoy the moment when Hugh ripped off his clothes just before he werewolf'ed. Yum. :D

I went to see that on my birthday a few years back (alone, natch) specifically for the Jackman/leather trousers combo.

Shirt off was a bonus. Like a porn movie it were, to me! :D

Calla Lily
06-14-2007, 02:43 AM
Memo to self: Next time the kids are at soccer samp and the DH is busy... an all-night Hugh Jackman/Gerard Butler film orgy.

Jedi Dad
06-15-2007, 01:57 AM
For Vampire films, i like:
Interview with the Vampire (nearly as good as the book)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (been reading that just lately too.)
The hunger
Lost boys

I also really like the female anorexic vampires in Van Helsing, but don't think much to the film itself I'm afraid.


Right after you finish Bram Stokers Dracula read The Dracula Tape.

Elodie-Caroline
06-15-2007, 03:07 AM
Okie dokie, thank you very much for the recommendation :)


Right after you finish Bram Stokers Dracula read The Dracula Tape.

Lady Cat
06-15-2007, 05:37 AM
I have loved vampires every since I saw Frank Langella portray Dracula. There's just something uber romantic about them that makes my heart go pitter-pat.

I've read a lot, and I mean a LOT of vampire romances and I don't think there's one I haven't enjoyed. One of the things I like best, is the variety of approaches to the subject. A few of my favorite vampire authors are Amanda Ashley, Lynsay Sands, Nina Bangs and Katie MacAlister. All hot stories, all very different.

And yes, I've succumbed to the lure and have my own vampire lurking in my vast file of ideas, and I dare to believe it's different enough to work. There's nothing I love better than to discover a new romance with a vampire as the main character.

Foinah
06-15-2007, 10:50 AM
I wrote a short story a while back called Mostly Dead Melvin. The main character gets turned by accident and it doesn't take all the way. It's my take on the whole romantic vampire rubbish; a dark comedy if you will.

I posted it in the SYW but never got around to posting the final draft...It's a ready to go with query letter printed.
I know I have a stamp around here someplace.......

akiwiguy
06-15-2007, 01:43 PM
Quite a long time ago I saw a fascinating documentary about the history of censorship in the movie industry, and it's a bit of a jumble to me now but it did explain something to me...

As a child in the sixties there were a lot of vampire movies coming out in theatres, and I recall having a really early recognition of their erotic appeal. I guess I was kind of a pre-pubescent kid thinking, "whoooah, all these women wandering around in nighties sucking each others blood... hmmm". But I didn't discuss it with any friends or anyone, and I wonder if I thought my own views were a bit odd at that age.

But anyway, this documentary suddenly clarifed something about what had been going on in Hollywood at the time to result in this proliferation of such movies. There had been massive pressure brought to bear on Holywood to start enforcing its own censorship standards. I'm not sure the name, but a Catholic group in particular had massive political and financial clout, and probably could have destroyed the industry. And for some time the sexual content, or any other "profanity" such as swearing, actually began to disappear from movies.

Vampire movies were then suddenly seen by the industry as a means of subtley reintroducing erotic content back into movies. In fact it's only been in recent times that I've realised quite a few things that I obviously didn't notice as a kid, such as the blatant lesbian sexual themes in some of those very movies. To me it was a real revelation as to why half the movies I'd seen during a certain period of my childhood were vampire ones.

Well, ha ha, some things never change... God, Kate Beckinsale in Underworld, now that's sex personified to me!

Calla Lily
06-15-2007, 04:33 PM
One of the things I love about Hammer films is the women. Before getting chomped by Christopher Lee, they're repressed, buttoned-up and whaleboned, and often whiny and naggy.

Post-chomp: decolletage! Low-cut swirling nighties, push-up bras, long hair cascading over bare shoulders, oh my! And they all realize that lust is fun.


On Langella's portrayal: A friend saw him in Dracual onstage years and years ago. When he was on the bed with Mina, just about to chomp, he did a take to the audience. My friend said women in the audience were baring their necks and shouting, "Bite me! Bite me!"

Elodie-Caroline
06-15-2007, 05:33 PM
Hmm, so Vampire films = porn. I never looked at them in that way before :D

MelodyO
06-15-2007, 07:24 PM
Hmm, so Vampire films = porn. I never looked at them in that way before :D

Ha! Took you long enough.

PS Jean Reno would make an excellent vampire, don't you think? His voice alone... ::melts into a puddle of hot lust::

Elodie-Caroline
06-15-2007, 11:04 PM
Hahaha He could bite me anytime, and not just my neck! ;) Yep, who wouldn't drop their knickers to his gorgeous voice. But he's all mine, hands and fangs off!

Hey, your little Hammer time pic... When I was 29, I was going out with a 20 year old. When we were doing the nitty gritty at his place, I had to put up with MC Hammer all night long! :D Ah, such fond memories! LOL



Ha! Took you long enough.

PS Jean Reno would make an excellent vampire, don't you think? His voice alone... ::melts into a puddle of hot lust::

mpatient24
06-20-2007, 11:30 AM
Laurel K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series is one of the best I've ever read with regards to vampires. I've read them all and can't wait for the next one.

http://www.laurellkhamilton.org/Anita/AnitaOverview.htm

Overview of the Anita Blake Vampire Hunter Series:

Anita Blake is an Animator and Vampire Slayer. Actually, she is a monster slayer. Though sometimes the monsters are human and even Anita is not sure she is not one of them.

Anita lives in a world very similar to our own. The difference: things that go bump in the night are real. Vampires, magic, zombies, werewolves, shapeshifters all exist and are active. Owning businesses, having love lives and living or unliving their day to day existence.

Anita works for Animators, Inc. She routinely raises zombies for a living. Have a questionable will and died? Anita can raise you for your heirs to find out what you intended. Need to tell someone how you really feel about them but they died first? Anita can bring them back long enough for you to have your say. Anita also works as a consultant for the Regional Preternatural Investigation Team (RPIT), a division of the St. Louis Police force that deals with supernatural crimes.

Of course Anita's boss at Animator's Inc, Bert Vaughn, will farm out his folks for all kinds of things; if the price is right. Though there are some things that even Bert is not willing to do for money. Unfortunately for Anita, some folks don't take NO for an answer.

Don't worry, Anita is a tough lady. She can handle a gun with the best of them. Of course some things even a weapon won't help her with. Like her love life. Too complicated for even her, she is being wooed by the Master of the City, and a Alpha werewolf. Have to be careful not to give away too much here!

Join Anita as she solves mysteries relating to all the scary things in the world. If you enjoy a good mystery, a tough female character with an attitude, spiced with creatures that only exist in the realms of fantasy, Anita Blake is what you have been searching for.

If I haven't yet convinced you, return to the graveyard and pick a headstone. Each stone will allow you to see the front cover, the blurbs from the back cover and read the entire first chapter of that book. If that doesn't send you running for the bookstore, then you'd best check your pulse.

Talanic
06-29-2007, 09:58 AM
Hrm, vampires, hmm? I'm doing that.

My vampires aren't quite the same as you're used to, though. They don't have any inherent suaveness; that's a personality trait, not a factor of vampirism. The lead vampire (Vhaes) is pretty slick, but he really doesn't care much about sex (he's an elf (an elven vampire is called a rikari); elves mate for life, and his wife's death about 4,000 years ago was what drove him to become the first vampire...yes, he hasn't been laid in 4,000 years. No, it hasn't helped his attitude).

They're faster and stronger than the average member of their species, but they tend to forget that they're not necessarily smarter as well. They can be beaten by a determined, skilled fighter--sometimes. Though what they actually feed on is life-force (and can do it by either using a special weapon or by the traditional V"V method), they tend to go kinda berserk at the smell of blood, as the craving hits them pretty hard.

They're not traditional undead, though; their biology works normally (without any aging past prime, though), except at an extremely rapid pace. Wounds heal in seconds, even broken bones, and limbs can regenerate in a month or so (only if the limb is lost after vampirism is begun). Pregnancy is typically impossible for a vampire; in the rare instances in which it occurred, the whole pregnancy ended in days, taking a severe toll on the vampiric mother and producing a normal child. A single drop of vampire blood--ingested or spilled on a wound--is enough to heal a person of most minor and some major injuries, but not regenerate limbs.

Because their biology is supercharged, they are particularly susceptible to being poisoned, and the greatest vampire slayer of all time had the plague and fought by infecting his foes, then slaying them while the disease ravaged them.

Sunlight kills them by rotting them away, and a wound from a silver weapon will reveal someone as a vampire by turning their skin dark grey. They can't attack faithful of any religion who are actively using their faith to ward them off; attack a vampire and your fate is in your own hands. Garlic doesn't trouble them as far as warding them off, but scatter cloves around an area and they won't be able to track anything inside the area by scent. Have a clove on you while travelling, though, and you'll make a beacon of yourself.

Running water doesn't trouble them, they do reflect in mirrors, but a few of the older ones have a minor aversion to them. A stake through the heart will kill anyone, and it works well on these vampires because they'll regenerate a normal wound if they can pull out the weapon before they die.

They don't reproduce by biting. Rather, a new vampire has to be inducted by being provided with one of those aforementioned life-sucking weapons. Kill enough people with it, and the fledgeling internalizes the power to suck life-force without it.

Calla Lily
06-29-2007, 03:34 PM
...yes, he hasn't been laid in 4,000 years. No, it hasn't helped his attitude.


:roll: Great line!