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Gravity
05-16-2007, 07:23 PM
This just in from CBS, "Jericho" is cancelled. Guess we all need to create a series end inside our own skulls.

Susan Gable
05-16-2007, 09:01 PM
I was just discussing this with a friend. It seems the show "lost a large portion of its audience when it went on a long mid-season hiatus."

To which I say, "D'UH!" Mr. TV Executive.

(And I'm wondering if the same thing will happen to Lost. We will now go almost a whole year without new Lost episodes. No new ones until next Feb. Will we even care by then?)

The other thing is, they say no one is interested in serialized dramas anymore. Well, if we tune in, and you yank the rug out from under us, like with Jerico (left hanging??? Helloooooo, in the middle of a firefight here!) then we're less likely to tune in to the next one you offer us -- because we can't count on you to give us resolution of the story, (Invasion, anyone? That's another serialized drama where they left hanging. <sigh>)

I'm really annoyed. And yet...not shocked. Unfortunately.

Now we'll be fed more crappy reality shows and game shows. Who cares? I want a STORY!

Susan G.

MidnightMuse
05-16-2007, 09:06 PM
I wasn't at all surprised. The winter gap, and honestly the writing, both damned that show, and I was even a fan. At least, I wanted to be. But the serialized (read: soap-opera) aspects they were plopping in there annoyed me too much.

And yes, I agree - the serialized dramas are doomed to fail because of the track record they have. Get audience hooked, leave audience hanging, get canned. Frankly, as much as I enjoy Skeet Ulrich and a good old fashioned apocalypitic survivalist story, I didn't expect it to last one full season.

I've come to expect just about any show I find interesting will be axed.

Claudia Gray
05-16-2007, 09:16 PM
This show had become really, really good -- the quality had taken an immense step upward in the second half of the year. It's a pity more people didn't see it, but that's CBS' scheduling stupidity, not the show's problem.

The serialized dramas are the way of the future; we're in an adjustment phase now, but the episodic shows will eventually be a minority, and if you even tried to display a slate of wholly episodic shows like they had in the 1970s, people would laugh at you. The change began with "Dallas" and "Hill Street Blues" -- there's no going back, and there shouldn't be, because the absolute best writing comes from the serialized stuff. But networks and viewers have to learn some patience and some sophistication, and that's going to take a while. CBS dropped the ball on a good one here.

Shadow_Ferret
05-16-2007, 09:26 PM
Jericho. Jericho. Hmm. He's that wrastler, ain't he?

Is that a story line where he get's "canceled?"

pink lily
05-16-2007, 09:35 PM
Aw, man, I like Jericho! I really thought it showed promise. I especially enjoyed the use of real-world modern-day politics as a theme. Bah! Stupid CBS. This show was good.

pconsidine
05-16-2007, 10:08 PM
Claudia, I wouldn't say that this is a one-way thing. After all, serials had their day in the movies, too. It seems to be more of a cycle that comes and goes every year, just like sitcoms and procedurals. We're just at the tail end of that cycle and beginning the next one.

I think that a lot of modern TV production is to blame. After all, if no one is willing to preorder more than 3 or 4 episodes of a pilot, how on earth can they avoid the absurdly long midseason breaks we've been seeing so much of and which is probably responsible for the death of many good shows.

I almost miss the days of summer reruns. It was always so cool to catch something on rerun that I had missed the first time around.

Humph.

BenPanced
05-16-2007, 10:59 PM
Claudia, I wouldn't say that this is a one-way thing. After all, serials had their day in the movies, too. It seems to be more of a cycle that comes and goes every year, just like sitcoms and procedurals. We're just at the tail end of that cycle and beginning the next one.

I think that a lot of modern TV production is to blame. After all, if no one is willing to preorder more than 3 or 4 episodes of a pilot, how on earth can they avoid the absurdly long midseason breaks we've been seeing so much of and which is probably responsible for the death of many good shows.

I almost miss the days of summer reruns. It was always so cool to catch something on rerun that I had missed the first time around.

Humph.
Then, too, if it's bringing in "only" 3.5 million viewers per week, it's a bomb (so to speak).

dclary
05-16-2007, 11:06 PM
This show had become really, really good -- the quality had taken an immense step upward in the second half of the year. It's a pity more people didn't see it, but that's CBS' scheduling stupidity, not the show's problem.

The serialized dramas are the way of the future; we're in an adjustment phase now, but the episodic shows will eventually be a minority, and if you even tried to display a slate of wholly episodic shows like they had in the 1970s, people would laugh at you. The change began with "Dallas" and "Hill Street Blues" -- there's no going back, and there shouldn't be, because the absolute best writing comes from the serialized stuff. But networks and viewers have to learn some patience and some sophistication, and that's going to take a while. CBS dropped the ball on a good one here.

So the future started in the 80s?

It's possible to have episodic television that follows serialized plots. Friends, for instance, did this very well in its last few seasons, as it ran season- and series-long storylines as A or B (or C) storylines in a standard episode.

pconsidine
05-17-2007, 12:48 AM
So the future started in the 80s?Yes. And Stephen Bochco is Neo.

MattW
05-17-2007, 01:08 AM
Yes. And Stephen Bochco is Neo.There is no story arc.

dclary
05-17-2007, 01:08 AM
Stephen Cannell's gonna be pissed.

mdin
05-18-2007, 09:03 AM
Worry not. I refuse to allow this show to die.

It'll be back. Mark my words.

J. Weiland
05-26-2007, 04:17 PM
This cancellation sucks. Interesting story and well acted.

Jean Marie
05-27-2007, 08:55 PM
Worry not. I refuse to allow this show to die.

It'll be back. Mark my words.
Hope you're right.

Writer2011
05-27-2007, 09:22 PM
Did you hear about this guy started a campaign to send as many canned nuts to CBS? Pretty funny if you ask me.. .There are other shows with lower ratings than Jericho...oh well.

mdin
05-28-2007, 08:56 PM
It was more than just some canned nuts. So far it's been 12 tons of nuts.

CBS has already stated now they will give fans "closure" to the series, but no one knows what that means. Probably either a movie or webisodes. But the campaign will continue until the some comes back.

The website organizing all this is here (http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho?sid=jQXJfFWSPejxZWFe%22). Here's the NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/28/business/media/28nuts.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin) article from yesterday.

Writer2011
05-29-2007, 08:50 AM
I don't get it---can't remember which network it is but they're making a sitcom with those cavemen from the Gieco commercial--but yet they'll cancel a perfectly good show... and not to mention there are some that the ratings aren't doing too well (30 Rock)...oh well I wonder how these "executives" come up with ideas they do.

RG570
05-29-2007, 09:01 AM
I liked it, but I forgot about it when they cut it off in the winter. Why do they do that? It totally ruined it for me. The show was fine, there was nothing wrong with it. But when they jerk you around like that, it's hard to want to pick up where it left off.

Same thing happened to me with battlestar galactica. I don't care about it anymore, but I was really into it before the break.

Writer2011
05-29-2007, 09:09 AM
It's a wonder if these folks sit around and think of ways to screw up television shows... Do it like the old days when a show started in September, and ended in May...there were some repeats but a show didn't end in the middle of the season and stay off for six weeks..

Way to go CBS...

This is exactly why I don't get too involved with shows like this--give me summer shows and Baseball and i'm good... during the fall its Monday Night Football. :)

Gravity
05-29-2007, 06:34 PM
Do it like the old days when a show started in September, and ended in May...there were some repeats but a show didn't end in the middle of the season and stay off for six weeks.

A prime case in point: Combat, from the mid-60s. The show was the Saving Private Ryan of its time, detailing the exploits of an army unit attached to the Big Red One, showing the squad working its way across Europe from D-Day to Paris. Great scripts, excellently acted, and directed by some of Hollywood's best up-and-comers (Robert Altman being one). On every Tuesday night for at least five seasons, it was given the chance by ABC to build up a solid fan base. Nowadays a show is given maybe six weeks to establish its audience; if it's not done by then, it's yanked. Sad for the viewers; harder still for the writers and crew.

MidnightMuse
06-06-2007, 12:59 AM
Make of it what you will, but . . .

http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/700000049

Claudia Gray
06-06-2007, 01:51 AM
I'm hopeful!

wordmonkey
06-06-2007, 06:25 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_en_tv/tv_cbs_jericho

Never underestimate the power of nuts!

MidnightMuse
06-06-2007, 06:28 PM
Yo', dude, scroll up two posts :D

wordmonkey
06-07-2007, 06:33 AM
Yo', dude, scroll up two posts :D

Well color me embarrassed.

How about this then?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_en_tv/tv_cbs_jericho

pink lily
06-07-2007, 03:53 PM
My husband and I record shows on our DVR, to watch later. We had the last 3 episodes of Jericho saved in the DVR. Two nights ago we decided to delete the last 3 episodes unwatched, since the show was cancelled, and there is no point in watching a season finalé cliffhanger that will never go anywhere.

Yesterday I saw this: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/06/jericho.cancellation.ap/index.html

And now today I see your Yahoo links in this thread... and I am soooo mad that I didn't see the last 3 episodes! Dammit!

Susan Gable
06-07-2007, 05:39 PM
My husband and I record shows on our DVR, to watch later. We had the last 3 episodes of Jericho saved in the DVR. Two nights ago we decided to delete the last 3 episodes unwatched, since the show was cancelled, and there is no point in watching a season finalé cliffhanger that will never go anywhere.

Yesterday I saw this: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/06/jericho.cancellation.ap/index.html

And now today I see your Yahoo links in this thread... and I am soooo mad that I didn't see the last 3 episodes! Dammit!

Go to cbs.com -- maybe they still have them posted for on-line viewing?
I watched a few episodes that way. :)

Susan G.

Jean Marie
06-07-2007, 06:05 PM
Jericho Back!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278513,00.html

And, they're re-running episodes this summer!!

If you want to read the entire story, click on the link, above.
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LOS ANGELES — "Jericho" fans who slammed CBS with protests over the drama's cancellation have won the battle: It will return next season, the network said Wednesday.

It was an unusual display of viewer might since networks usually put ratings ahead of even the most passionate, well-organized fan base. But CBS said the show deserved another chance, while cautioning that it must prove it has wider appeal.

"Wow! Over the past few weeks you have put forth an impressive and probably unprecedented display of passion in support of a prime time television series," CBS Entertainment President Nina Tassler said in a letter to "Jericho" boosters.

The letter was released to The Associated Press.

"You got our attention; your emails and collective voice have been heard," Tassler wrote, and seven episodes have been ordered for midseason 2007-08. "In success, there is the potential for more. But, for there to be more `Jericho,' we will need more viewers."

Fans must do their part to rally interest while the network does its job, she said.

CBS is planning a campaign to reintroduce "Jericho," including rerunning the show on CBS this summer, streaming episodes and clips online and releasing the first season on DVD on Sept. 25. The show's return date and scheduling has yet to be determined.

Claudia Gray
06-07-2007, 06:41 PM
Such great news! I am looking forward to seeing more of the show, and I will definitely be doing my part to try to win new fans for Jericho's return.

MidnightMuse
06-07-2007, 07:33 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about missing any eps originally - they say they're going to run the repeats all summer. And like was said above, I think you can still see some or maybe all of them online.

It's frustrating, tho, when this much fuss and noise can be made about a program, and have that still not reflect in the ratings. Millions vs a few hundred (or thousand) active fans. Perhaps if the show doesn't get a full-season order after this return, they'll know enough in advance to conclude the order they do film in a satisfactory manner.