Tombstone movie question

Vanatru · Apr 17, 2007

Sorry for the non-liteary question, but I'm pressed for time and couldn't find the answer on IMDB.

In the movie Tombstone, when Johnny Ringo was in the saloon. Doc Holiday was doing that funky twirling thing with the silver cup. Who was the guy with Ringo, wearing the red shirt with the mustache?

Thanks. Gotta run.

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Apr 17, 2007

That would be Curly Bill Brocious.

Cav Guy · Apr 18, 2007

Powers Boothe, if memory serves. Great role for him, although the character was much more fictional than real.

Vanatru · Apr 18, 2007

Thank ya Ol' Girl.

I didn't recognize Power Booths as that guy. I was actually suprised to hear that it was him.

Is it just me, or was Doc Holliday's character a bit "nutty"?

Cav Guy · Apr 18, 2007

He was, but brilliantly played.

Bmwhtly · Apr 18, 2007

All hail Val Kilmer.
But Powers Boothe was better in Southern Comfort in my opinion.

dpaterso · Apr 18, 2007

Kilmer vs. Quaid makes for an interesting performance comparison.

Powers Boothe always adds something to a film. EXTREME PREJUDICE was a good modern Western.

-Derek

Bmwhtly · Apr 18, 2007

Now that I come to think of it, would you consider Southern Comfort a modern western?
Two soldiers stranded in apache country?

dpaterso · Apr 18, 2007

Tough one to answer. The story could fit any genre, but I didn't think of the film in Western terms even tho' it has all the conventions, right up to the cavalry arriving at the end to save the day.

-Derek

JeanneTGC · Apr 18, 2007

That Kilmer didn't win Best Supporting Actor for the year Tombstone came out was a crime. The bigger crime was that neither he nor Dennis Quaid were even NOMINATED for Best Supporting Actor for that year. Both their performances (in Tombstone and Wyatt Earp, respectively) were far and away better than the other nominees'. I loved them both, but I have to give it to Kilmer by a huckleberry.

Jamesaritchie · Apr 18, 2007

Kilmer

I thought Kilmer portrayed Doc Holiday perfectly. Far better than any other portrayal I've seen. A wonderful performance.

rhymegirl · Apr 18, 2007

JeanneTGC said:
That Kilmer didn't win Best Supporting Actor for the year Tombstone came out was a crime. The bigger crime was that neither he nor Dennis Quaid were even NOMINATED for Best Supporting Actor for that year. Both their performances (in Tombstone and Wyatt Earp, respectively) were far and away better than the other nominees'. I loved them both, but I have to give it to Kilmer by a huckleberry.

Oh I definitely agree! I loved Val Kilmer in Tombstone. Great performance.

aka eraser · Apr 18, 2007

Kilmer was okay in Tombstone but I had a hard time buying any of the leads. They were a bit too young and bit too pretty.

JeanneTGC · Apr 18, 2007

aka eraser said:
Kilmer was okay in Tombstone but I had a hard time buying any of the leads. They were a bit too young and bit too pretty.

Um, you're aware that Wyatt Earp was born in 1848? And that if he was in Tombstone in, say, 1880, that would make him ALL of 32? And Virgil would have been ALL of 37?

The actors were too OLD for the roles, other than Kilmer, not too young.

Oh, and Wyatt was considered an extremely handsome man for the day and age.

Tombstone (the movie) has a lot of historical inaccuracies in it (Wyatt Earp is pretty good on the historical aspect, just not as good as a movie), but Kurt Russell played younger just fine, I thought.

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Apr 18, 2007

Tombstone sucked for historical accuracy (Curly Bill, IIRC, came after Ringo as the leader of the Cowboys and Ringo was found dead, apparently from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Kate (the Hungarian Anti-Christ) wasn't very accurate and neither was Maggie - but what a movie! Kilmer's Best Work Ever. He stole the show and provided me and Ol' Boy with many a quote to throw around. It's one of those movies I can watch over and over... and have. At least ten-fifteen times. Hence my ability to remember who was with Ringo in the Latin scene.

LloydBrown · Apr 18, 2007

Jamesaritchie said:
I thought Kilmer portrayed Doc Holiday perfectly. Far better than any other portrayal I've seen. A wonderful performance.

True story.

aka eraser · Apr 18, 2007

Different strokes I guess. I just thought they looked too young to pull off the world-weary 'tude they were projecting.

Jamesaritchie · Apr 18, 2007

aka eraser said:
Kilmer was okay in Tombstone but I had a hard time buying any of the leads. They were a bit too young and bit too pretty.

Well, no. If there was ever a perfect Wyatt Earp, it was [SIZE=-1]Kurt Russell. He was about the right age, maybe a little too old, and when young, Earp was considered quite a looker and lady's man.

And Russell has the eyes for it. The scene where he chases the crooked gambler out of the saloon was as perfect and realistic as I've ever seen, and it was his eyes that made it so.

Historically, the movie wasn't terribly accurate, but as people, the casting of all the Earps was as good as it gets.
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Jamesaritchie · Apr 18, 2007

Ol' Fashioned Girl said:
Tombstone sucked for historical accuracy (Curly Bill, IIRC, came after Ringo as the leader of the Cowboys and Ringo was found dead, apparently from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Kate (the Hungarian Anti-Christ) wasn't very accurate and neither was Maggie - but what a movie! Kilmer's Best Work Ever. He stole the show and provided me and Ol' Boy with many a quote to throw around. It's one of those movies I can watch over and over... and have. At least ten-fifteen times. Hence my ability to remember who was with Ringo in the Latin scene.

Well, in a sense, this movie did Ringo right. He was found dead, shot through the head, lying against a tree, but not many at the time thought the wound was self-inflicted.

JeanneTGC · Apr 18, 2007

Jamesaritchie said:
Well, in a sense, this movie did Ringo right. He was found dead, shot through the head, lying against a tree, but not many at the time thought the wound was self-inflicted.

Right. And Doc Holliday was questioned about the death, but so were two or three other people. "Suicide" was a convenient way to say "we have no idea and don't care to try any longer".

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Apr 18, 2007

I don't think many mourned him and I doubt they spent a whole lotta time on it at all. The scene where he and Doc dance is about as juicy as they come, though. And 'You're no daisy. You're no daisy at all.' is a classic.

JeanneTGC · Apr 18, 2007

"I'm your huckleberry."

I just LOVE that line.

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Apr 18, 2007

"Poor soul, he was so high-strung. Afraid the strain was more than he could bear."

dpaterso · Apr 19, 2007

I would have to politely argue with Val Kilmer being the best Doc Holliday, tho' of course it's a matter of personal taste. Kirk Douglas's performance in Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (1957) is sublime; Vic Mature surprised everyone when they cast him opposite Henry Fonda in My Darling Clementine (1946); and Stacy Keach in 'Doc' (1971) made a fine job of the role. I'm not pretending to be some film fanatic who remembers everything and can quote lines from 'way back, but I remember these films and how the performances impressed me.

You've probably all seen this kind of stuff before, but there are nice capsule stories on the Old West Legends site. The Table of Contents link includes Outlaws & Gunslingers, among whom is John Henry "Doc" Holliday.

-Derek

Bmwhtly · Apr 19, 2007

After this thread, I felt the need to watch it again. For the first time in a long while.

aka eraser said:
Kilmer was okay in Tombstone but I had a hard time buying any of the leads. They were a bit too young and bit too pretty.

I thought the exact opposite, Kurt Russell wasn't old and grizzled but I certainly wouldn't say he was young and pretty.
As for Sam Elliot (Virgil), I'm not sure anyone's ever called him young and pretty.
But that's just my opinion.

Jamesaritchie said:
Well, in a sense, this movie did Ringo right.

I noticed a mildly interesting thing last night.
In the 'Latin' scene when Ringo shows off by twirling his pistol, you can see him twirling but you can see the actors face too. Does that mean the actor (I forget his name) is actually a trained gun-twirler?

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