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onetiredmama
04-16-2007, 05:38 PM
Does anyone know if cell phone cameras and other recording devices are typically banned in strip clubs, and if so, how do they go about enforcing this? Or are patrons allowed to take photos of the performers? Could you take pictures of just patrons in the club? (BTW, this is for a novel I'm working on, and not my weekend plans;) ) Thanks.

Bmwhtly
04-16-2007, 05:50 PM
I've only been once (no, really). There was no ban, but I got the feeling that if anyone did try and snap a pic, they'd be discouraged.

As to the pics of the patrons, I remember a news story from some time ago: There was a big strip club opening and a pile of locals objected, saying it was immoral or whatever. They set up camp outside the club, photographed patrons as they went in and then put them up on the interweb.

Hope that's of some use.

Thump
04-16-2007, 05:54 PM
There's a lot of strip clubs downtown here. I've been to one (meant for ladies). They all had signs at the door that forbade you to photograph inside the club, even other patrons and certainly not the performers. The bouncers seemed like they meant business :S

Makes sense, doesn't it? As long as sex and naked bodies are taboo, you want to protect clients and employees from society.

Cav Guy
04-16-2007, 06:01 PM
They are banned where I live.

Maryn
04-16-2007, 06:20 PM
You're not allowed to take pictures in a strip club any more than you are at a concert. The bouncers at strip clubs are not the gentlest or most tolerant of folks.

I would think that a character using the camera in his/her cell phone would have to be extremely surreptitious to get away with it. The light emitted from a cell phone shines like a beacon in a semi-darkened room. I've seen people booted from small musical venues for using the cameras in their phones.

That said, though, I think you could write a scene in which your character makes or answers a call, stepping away from the table and stage politely to be able to hear better, then once nobody's paying him/her any particular attention, takes a quick picture or two.

Maryn, who hasn't been to a strip joint in eons

C.bronco
04-16-2007, 06:21 PM
I'm sure all the employees would have their cell phones.

Bmwhtly
04-16-2007, 06:21 PM
Maryn, who hasn't been to a strip joint in eonsViewing or working?
:ROFL:

MattW
04-16-2007, 09:44 PM
There is no sex in the champagne room.

thethinker42
04-16-2007, 09:48 PM
It depends on the state/country.

MOST female strip clubs I've been into do not allow cameras of any kind, especially the totally-nudes or full-contact (I visited one such club in Guam -- they practically searched you before letting you through the door). I went to a male strip club in Canada that allowed photos as long as the strippers still had a G-string on. Once that came off, no pics (if they saw the flash, they confiscated the camera).

Yes, I've been to a few. LOL

Tsu Dho Nimh
04-17-2007, 03:43 AM
I've only been once (no, really). There was no ban, but I got the feeling that if anyone did try and snap a pic, they'd be discouraged.

As to the pics of the patrons, I remember a news story from some time ago: There was a big strip club opening and a pile of locals objected, saying it was immoral or whatever. They set up camp outside the club, photographed patrons as they went in and then put them up on the interweb.

Hope that's of some use.

I remember an incident like that in Scottsdale AZ ... and almost none of the protesters were living nearby. They had to import indignant idiots from across town.

mdin
04-17-2007, 03:59 AM
I remember an incident like that in Scottsdale AZ ... and almost none of the protesters were living nearby. They had to import indignant idiots from across town.

Was that for the Naughty But Nice sex shop? I remember that. That was many, many years ago if so.

Anyway, I suspect if you tried to photograph a stripper in pretty much 95% of the strip clubs in the US, you would find an arm wrapped around your neck pretty quickly.

Elektra
04-17-2007, 05:35 AM
If your character's camera phone is anything like mine, it wouldn't be able to take pictures of moving bodies in a darkened room anyway.

Rabe
04-17-2007, 09:50 AM
Maybe you could PM Dragonjax...she's the author of "Hell's Belles" about a former succubus turned exotic dancer.

I understand her husband *really* enjoyed helping her research the book! *okay maybe not*

Rabe...

onetiredmama
04-17-2007, 03:18 PM
Thanks everyone. Sounds like no shots of anyone on stage, but if someone wanted to take a shot of a patron, they might get away with it. I appreciate the input.

JJ Cooper
04-17-2007, 03:35 PM
This is a trap..Umm no I have no idea what you're talking about. However a friend of mine tells me it is plausible should one be discreet. Did my wife put you up to this? And BTW I am working on a novel based entirely around swimsuit models and their infatuation with nudity. The research is killing me.

JJ

onetiredmama
04-17-2007, 04:02 PM
JJ, if you'd like to do some field research for me and find out, I'm sure your wife would be as understanding as I would if my husband did such a thing. I like to think he hasn't been in such a facility since the birth of the cell phone and would therefore have no idea. :)

Akuma
04-17-2007, 04:52 PM
It depends on the state/country.

MOST female strip clubs I've been into do not allow cameras of any kind, especially the totally-nudes or full-contact (I visited one such club in Guam -- they practically searched you before letting you through the door). I went to a male strip club in Canada that allowed photos as long as the strippers still had a G-string on. Once that came off, no pics (if they saw the flash, they confiscated the camera).

Yes, I've been to a few. LOL


I knew I would find you here, thinker. . .

The_Grand_Duchess
04-17-2007, 10:18 PM
My husband tells me that they don't allow pics in the clubs. In the less nice ones you can get away with a camera phone shot every now and then but its no go in the more upscale places. A few of them have a no cell phone rule just for that reason. hope that helps you some.

JJ Cooper
04-18-2007, 01:54 AM
JJ, if you'd like to do some field research for me and find out, I'm sure your wife would be as understanding as I would if my husband did such a thing. I like to think he hasn't been in such a facility since the birth of the cell phone and would therefore have no idea. :)

Interesting. Would I risk my life for research purposes? I can assure you that I am not too concerned with the security people at the clubs. I think my wife's fury may be an obstacle to completing this task in one piece though.:box:

JJ

TsukiRyoko
04-18-2007, 01:57 AM
I'm friends with a stripper, I could ask her for you if you'd like me to.

onetiredmama
04-18-2007, 03:05 AM
That would be great if you asked her these: Could someone get a shot of someone on stage, or a patron without getting tossed out?

Thanks for everyone's input.

The Grift
04-18-2007, 03:26 AM
How is your character's budget? There are some pretty high-quality button-hole cameras out there for less than $300. If not that, there are mini-cameras the size of a USB thumb drive that could probably be used discreetly.

Or is this more of a thing where the MC is suprised to see someone in the club and wants to get a pic with whatever equipment they have available?

MattW
04-18-2007, 04:06 AM
I've been to a place that has a phone check at the door.

TsukiRyoko
04-18-2007, 04:42 AM
That would be great if you asked her these: Could someone get a shot of someone on stage, or a patron without getting tossed out?

Thanks for everyone's input.
Will do.

thethinker42
04-18-2007, 04:49 AM
I knew I would find you here, thinker. . .

Damn. I'm getting WAY too predictable...

Akuma
04-18-2007, 05:09 AM
Damn. I'm getting WAY too predictable...

It wasn't very hard to figure out after the first five sex scandals. . .

Silver King
04-18-2007, 05:33 AM
If you're serious about writing a piece involving strip clubs, nothing can be easier than visiting a few to enhance your research. Go with a friend or two and study the atmosphere. Take notes. Get a feel for the kind of place you intend to write about.

If you're afraid of being harassed by the clientele, I can assure you a strip club (in most cases) is one of the safest places for a woman to visit. There isn't a man in his right mind who would think of harming a woman in an establishment where other men have gathered to admire the female form.

Sadly, the same can't be said for male strip clubs, where roving bands of screaming women make it difficult for dancers to make it out of the venue alive. :D

TsukiRyoko
04-18-2007, 07:40 AM
I asked about it, and Jess (the friend) said that her joint does allow cellphones, but not cameras, video tapes, etc etc. She also said that a few other places that she's worked at won't allow cellphones or even pagers.

onetiredmama
04-18-2007, 07:50 PM
Thanks! this is just for one scene in the book. I wanted someone to be able to take a shot of a patron there (woman at a female strip club) who decided she was going to take off her top as well, maybe hop on stage. She's there with a group of people and I wanted one of them to be able to get a shot of her that they use to keep her quiet about something that happens later in the book. Perhaps I could set it in a raunchy bar instead, but the guy being at the strip club upsets his girlfrend later when he reveals he took a shot of this girl. hmmmmm I think about all this info. Helpful to know some clubs check phones. Who knew.

thethinker42
04-18-2007, 09:35 PM
It wasn't very hard to figure out after the first five sex scandals. . .

I would think it would've been after the first one or two, but okay...

smallthunder
04-20-2007, 05:33 AM
Sadly, the same can't be said for male strip clubs, where roving bands of screaming women make it difficult for dancers to make it out of the venue alive. :D

Hmm ... said with such an air of authority ... have you been a victim or a bystander?

Silver King
04-20-2007, 06:09 AM
Hmm ... said with such an air of authority ... have you been a victim or a bystander?
I've been a bystander all right, and watched while those poor men had their G-strings stretched like bungee chords while crazed women swung from one to the other like Tarzan using vines to travel.

Male patrons don't act like that in Gentlemen's Clubs. ;)

small axe
04-20-2007, 08:40 AM
In both Indy and there abouts, "no cameras" are posted, and if the bouncers caught you taking a picture you would be evicted and your camera phone would be "dropped" on the way out.

No questions would be asked, no complaints listened to.

The clubs are under pressure here, and get away with more dancer-contact than they're supposed to ... so "photo evidence" would be very much resented. Have you ever seen a bouncer exit a customer? They're as big as the Colts line, and there's zero "fight" -- they wrap the guy and he's outside, in a blur, 123.

They can carry you like a squirming child and deposit you safely; they can hurt you real bad setting you down too. The cops give the bouncers benefit of the doubt, because the bouncers are peacekeepers too. Even if they break your wrist and camera outside the club.

Taking a picture of a patron would incur more wrath than of a dancer on-stage. the stripper just work there, the patrons pay the bills.

So, yeah ... I think it'd be better, your idea of the scene happening in a sleazy bar.

Zoombie
04-20-2007, 09:41 AM
If you're serious about writing a piece involving strip clubs, nothing can be easier than visiting a few to enhance your research. Go with a friend or two and study the atmosphere. Take notes. Get a feel for the kind of place you intend to write about.

The only time where this falls apart is when the author is under 21...

Like me. Do you think they'll let me in if I say it's for reserch? "I gotta know, or I can't write my novel! You'll ruin my carrier, you will!"

BottomlessCup
04-20-2007, 09:46 AM
Every club I've been to in Vegas lets you bring your cell phone in, but if you get caught taking a picture, you'd get booted in about three seconds.

My guess is they'd be more pissed about you taking pictures of customers than dancers, but pretty pissed both ways.

Writer???
04-21-2007, 10:46 PM
I admire the quest for research but I do think the obvious is being ignored here. If anything is certainly true today it's that anyone can be photographed anytime, anywhere in this day and age. It would not be a very large "suspension of disbelief" at all to read the story you want to write. One factor on your side is it's not one of the dancers the person is trying to photograph. It sounds more like a party atmosphere in a strip club with a group of suposed friends. So called "security" is liable to be a little more relaxed anyway if someone can "decide to get up on stage and take their top off too".

It can be done, don't give up on it. If you're worried about it write in an explanation. Make it a lax strip joint. Or bribe a bouncer or something. Personally I wouldn't worry about it, and, I would belive it entirely possible.

southernwriter
04-21-2007, 11:56 PM
Don't ask how I know, just take my word for it, okay? It is plausible to get a picture if you're sneaky enough, and in the right club. Some clubs ban cell phones for that reason, but many still do not. You are strongly discouraged from doing so, however, and if you're caught, you may very well be exiting without your phone. And part of your face. A woman caught would not be roughed up in the same manner as a guy would. However, if she's there with a guy, he will be.

It's not necessarily true that you're in more trouble for photographing customers than dancers. Dancers are treated like queens in the club. Without them, there is no income. Both management and bouncers protect them like they're royalty (unless the place is a real dive where the dancers are actually $2 hookers)

It is also plausible that the young woman in question might join a dancer on stage. Many clubs encourage such behaviour, the mind set being "the more naked women, the better." As long as she doesn't try to pick up the dancer's tips, no one minds too much. A lot depends on the dancer and the club, though. In some clubs (there's one in L.A., the name of which I can't recall), the dancers are more professional, that is to say, more like actresses. They spend a lot money on costumes, a lot of time on their personal upkeep (working out, hair, nails, make-up , etc.), and work hard on their choreography. Jumping up on stage with one of them would be rude and unacceptable. In the average club, it's usually okay, but then it depends on the dancer. One with a big ego may tolerate it, but she won't be happy about it. Another may engage the visitor in ways the girl may not expect or be prepared for - so if you need some really racy pictures of your protag, send her on stage with a dancer who will make her "part of the show" in order to increase her own tips. Guys always want to see girls on girls. They live for that crap.

MegaData
04-22-2007, 11:41 PM
I think you should know that clubs with female dancers will let a woman in without paying a cover charge, if they flash the doormen. Doormen encouraged this outside a club while I was with a dancer who was going to see if she wanted to dance at that establishment. If you are writing in that context, you could have the boyfriend take a snapshot of the "flash" to get in for free, discreetly, before handing over the cellphone to the doormen, or saying, "I should go put this (cellphone) back in the car..."

Clubs do have paid photographers for local advertising in newspapers that circulate among the clubs. Customers can pick up these publications to read horoscopes and small articles, while subjected to advertising of videos, classifieds, and the various local clubs which feature photos of some of the more experienced dancers.

You may also get away with more in a limo ride... or the VIP room... or if there's a bachelor party which may also allow one to take photos of the people on stage... but the writer should be aware of the various qualities of clubs, rules, and settings. porn stars are sometimes featured which would raise the awareness of cameras. I saw two people get kicked out of a club because too much was going on in the lap dance area. I don't think the rules of the forum allow me to say what was happening. Just know that a bouncer may be watching, or a dancer that will turn someone in to the bouncer. Though most eyes are on the stage, eyes are everywhere. don't foget the DJ, limo driver, and the bartender.

EDIT: If dancers on stage see a girl sitting at the stage (you should tip if you're sitting at the stage) that girl has a good chance of having her top removed by the dancer on stage!

McDuff
04-23-2007, 12:28 AM
Strip Clubs are not all the same, just as anything else. Etiquette dictates no photos at all, but last time I was in one my girlfriend (who used to be a stripper and therefore should know better) took a couple of the people in our party because they were wearing garters on their heads before she remembered where she was. Nobody saw her or told her to stop, but she had been one of the topless girls on stage a little earlier. (and, truth be told, so had I...)

McDuff
04-23-2007, 12:29 AM
EDIT: If dancers on stage see a girl sitting at the stage (you should tip if you're sitting at the stage) that girl has a good chance of having her top removed by the dancer on stage!
This all depends on the girl in question. Good dancers are pretty good at judging whether a girl is "up for it" in a club or not.

Jamesaritchie
04-23-2007, 01:29 AM
Thanks everyone. Sounds like no shots of anyone on stage, but if someone wanted to take a shot of a patron, they might get away with it. I appreciate the input.

Taking a picture of a patron will get you in more trouble than taking a picture of someone on stage. Most patrons do not want anyone knowing they're in the club, and such photos can be used for blackmail, for public humiliation, and can get the person fired. Not to mention divorced. Clubs take the privacy of patrons very seriously.

Trust me on this, if a bouncer catches you taking photos of patrons, your camera had better be insured.

Monkey
04-23-2007, 03:02 AM
Camera phones aren't likely to be good enough to get a good picture of a moving target in a darkened room from a distance. Even if they did manage to get a picture under those conditions, what are the chances of it being clear enough that the person pictured couldn't just shrug and say, "Yeah, looks kinda like me...but it's *not* me"?

Of course, a lot of clubs have bar areas, bathrooms, ect that are better lit.

Like someone else mentioned, you could get a picture of the girl flashing the bouncer to get in for free.

At the end of the night, as customers are being escorted out, sometimes they turn on the house lights. What if the girl in question was photographed then? She may be sloppy drunk and half dressed.

If you don't see a way around the picture-taker getting caught and ejected from the club, then why not just have them get ejected? Perhaps they get booted from the club, but the bouncer doesn't confiscate the phone. Maybe the bouncer (or the customer) tosses the phone during the struggle, and it's later found intact.

Or maybe you could just use the sleazy bar thing. If the bar was sleazy enough, it could be even worse to be caught there than at a strip club.

Just throwing out some ideas :D