Trafford Publishing

They're a very expensive subsidy pub. You can find out a bit more here.

POD books don't make it into brick & mortar bookstores. Reasons - they aren't returnable, they usually cost more than other books, and often the covers are shitty, and yes, the cover does count. There's more, but I'll stop there.

Now, depending on what type of book you've got, it may not matter that you can't get your book into Barnes & Noble. If you've got a well defined potential audience, you may be able to reach prospective readers in other ways.

So again, do your homework. There's a ton of info out there. Read the two books I suggested in the other thread. They'll probably answer 99.9% of the questions you have, and point you to resources that'll answer the other 0.1%.

These are the things that keep Vanities out of b&m stories:

1. non-returnable books
2. high prices
3. lack of quality control/reviews
4. lack of discounts (we're not talking about 10 or 20% discount)

I have one conventionally published book and a POD coming out in July. I have already done one book signing at a HUGE B&N and will do another in July and one in Sept. I brought my own books, and B&N ran them throught their system and took 20 percent. It was easy and fun. How did I do it? I went with a group of authors. When I sold my book that came out in April I quickly learned that no one wanted me to do a signing - makes sense. I'm nobody. However, when I've contact local B&N and said I could pull in five to seven romance authors - they got excited. So, you CAN sell POD books, you just have to be inventive.

WriteRead said:

Maybe this has been asked, already, if so, then pls bear w me, but is here anyone familiar w them? I'm looking for tips and advices re them, or warnings, for that matter .

Thanks,

Dan

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Don't do it. I did my first novel with Trafford. I wish I hadn't. It cost me $1,000 - A year later my 2nd novel went to PublishAmerica, another BAD move. Now my 3rd novel is being shopped to agents - patiently. Live and learn.

Carlene said:

I have one conventionally published book and a POD coming out in July. I have already done one book signing at a HUGE B&N and will do another in July and one in Sept. I brought my own books, and B&N ran them throught their system and took 20 percent. It was easy and fun. How did I do it? I went with a group of authors. When I sold my book that came out in April I quickly learned that no one wanted me to do a signing - makes sense. I'm nobody. However, when I've contact local B&N and said I could pull in five to seven romance authors - they got excited. So, you CAN sell POD books, you just have to be inventive.

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what an excellent idea!

Does anyone know anyting about Trafford Publishing?

http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/trafford.html?993143-10489aaa

There are several old threads in the B&BC board that might have the info you're looking for:

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=767
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19883
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23535

Thanks for the info.

Pay-to-play vanity.

Avoid.

Prosperity7 said:

Does anyone know anyting about Trafford Publishing?

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Based on previous posts you've made, you're looking really hard at vanity publishers. Do you own a copy of the Writer's Market or subscribe online?

If not, do it today and quit chasing all these scams.

LloydBrown said:

Based on previous posts you've made, you're looking really hard at vanity publishers. Do you own a copy of the Writer's Market or subscribe online?

If not, do it today and quit chasing all these scams.

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Not really looking hard at vanity publishers, just information.

I have learned that opinions vary here.

Either publish, or self-publish, as suits your needs and goals.

While opinions do vary, you'll find that both the commercial-publishing boosters and the self-publishing boosters disparage vanity publication. Ask yourself why that might be.

James D. Macdonald said:

Either publish, or self-publish, as suits your needs and goals.

While opinions do vary, you'll find that both the commercial-publishing boosters and the self-publishing boosters disparage vanity publication. Ask yourself why that might be.

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Is there a way to self publish but get someone else to do the shipping? ...can a POD do this? ...but aren't PODs vanity publishers?

Go directly through Lightning Source and use their shipping and order fulfillment. It's cheper and Lightning Source keeps good books.

Regards,
Scott

Popeyesays said:

Go directly through Lightning Source and use their shipping and order fulfillment. It's cheper and Lightning Source keeps good books.

Regards,
Scott

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Thanks for the info.

Hi
I have used Trafford and I would say avoid them. You can read my post in one of the threads at the top posted by Pegy.

Kev

Hi

Has any one else published with Trafford? I am agressivly marketing my books but i look at the author site but it shows no royalites.

Has any one esle had problem with Trafford like this?

Kev

No royalties? No sales?

That's expected with Trafford (or, really, any vanity press).

The one good thing about Trafford is that they call themselves a publishing service, not a publisher, so at least they're honest about it. I once spent a week there, answering phones and got a pretty solid understanding of what they offer.

Writers are their target market. That's who pays their bills. As far as the book trade is concerned they have no marketing staff. Editor is a sales position there. They're a decent employer, but don't mistake them for a publisher.

I can say that when I did answer the phones there, I never received any calls from authors saying they wanted to complain about not getting royalties. My own expectation is that the marketing has not yet generated much in the way of sales. Trafford would prefer that you order the books and then sell them. They will sell to other than the authors, but it's not the usual pattern there.

TRAFFORD - an analysis

Trafford Publishing's brochure is a magnificent piece of psychological trickery. They make it sound like they are truly helping you to do yourself and your book some good. The very words they use cleverly manipulate the emotions and work with the subconscious to lure you into believing that you are getting a lot for your money when in fact you get so little that you could easily do it yourself.

Take, for example, the names of the three different publishing packages they offer: "Legacy" (cheapest), "Entrepreneur" (middle) and "Best Seller"(most expensive). They could have just called them Packages 1, 2 and 3, but they have spent a lot of time choosing exactly the right words to work on the subconscious: at the very least, you are leaving a "legacy", one step up and you become an "entrepreneur".

The third one is a breathtaking piece of psychological manipulation. It almost, but not quite, implies that if you pay them top whack (£1,349), your book will be a "best seller" - a well-known term within the publishing trade. This also implies that if you don't choose this package, you are selling yourself and your book short.

The "Legacy" package is the one they tout to catch your attention and get you signed up. £499 to publish your book! Doesn't that sound an absolute bargain? But what do you actually get for that?

• They assign you an ISBN (I bought a hundred ISBNs for £75 or 75p each)

• They lay out a cover to the design you supply, but you only get two hours of the layout person's time.

• They create a barcode (one printer I use does this free, another charges £35, or you can buy your own barcode maker for less than £40)

• Print out and post to you a bound proof copy of the book (one printer I use does this free, another charges £15)

• Sends you ten copies of your finished book

• They send one copy of your book to the Library and Archives Canada (why Canada? - see below)


Notice that for your £499 they do NOT do anything else that needs to be done to a book before and after printing, such as proofreading, typesetting, writing a blurb, giving you a webpage, or ANY marketing or publicity whatsoever.

So, an ISBN worth 75p, eleven books that cost them about £11 to print (estimating print costs @£1 a book - remember, Trafford is a PRINTING company; they don't have to pay retail for printing your books!) and a barcode which, in the worst-case scenario, you might have had to pay £35 for but costs them pennies. Postage for the proof - about £1

Cost to Trafford: about £13, and less than 8 hours' work, for which you are charged £499. Still sound like a bargain?

What happens next?

• Once your book is ready for publication, Trafford will print you as many copies as you like, but there is a £7.50 "fine" for ordering fewer than 50 books.

• Trafford charge you per book - plus you have to pay for them to be shipped over from Canada!

If, like many people, you don't have the skills to typeset your book, you will inevitably opt for the next-up package, the "Legacy Plus", which costs a further £350. For this, Trafford will also scan your artwork, typeset the book and the cover, do up to two hours of corrections and send you a second proof.

The £499 you intended to spend has become £849. And still the world will not know anything about your book or where to buy it.

Entrepreneur

So, you need to go up one more step. You're busy, or you don't have the skills to make a website (besides which, that costs thousands doesn't it?) so you let Trafford gives you a standard-format page on their website, from which people can order your book. They also give you another 20 books (which I imagine costs them about £20). For this, Trafford charges an additional £250.

Your book's page is buried deep within their site, and your book is not mentioned at all on the front page of their site, but to make up for it, they run 150 bookmarks and 50 postcards off their printing press for you to give out to your family and friends. Trafford call these "sales tools that really work".



Best seller

This is the top-of-the-range, super-deluxe service offered by Trafford. For an additional £250 above the Entrepreneur price you get these extras:

• 300 bookmarks, 100 postcards, 10 posters.

• An email sent to their media contacts.

• A booklet with some marketing ideas.

• They fill in a few forms to inform the book trade of your book's existence.

• They submit your webpage to search engines Yahoo and Google. There is no need to do this: search engines catalogue everything themselves by sending out 'spiders' to collect new info.

What they don't tell you is that nobody ever goes onto Trafford's website in order to browse books with a view to purchasing them.

Note that, even though you have now parted with £1,349 they still don't proofread or edit your book, or place it in bookshops, organise launches or anything else.

THE TRIPLE WHAMMY

• Firstly, they charge you for printing the book, so they make the usual commercial printer's profit on that (plus they overcharge - see below).

• Secondly, they take 25% of the income from selling a book via your webpage on their site.

• Thirdly, they take 40% of what is left.

If your 160-page book retails at £9.99. Traffords charges you £3.94 to print it, £2.50 commission for selling it and snatches 40% of what is left (£1.42) for no reason. They give you the 60% (which they boast of as a really generous "royalty".) This amounts to £2.13. Yep - you get £2.13 per book sold via their website and they get £7.87. From this, they have printing costs of about £1 per book, so their profit is £6.87 per book sold at £9.99.

If your book sells via a bookshop the outlook is even bleaker: a bookshop will take £4 commission, leaving you with £1.23 and Trafford with 82p +£3.94 - £1 =£3.76. It is not, therefore, in Trafford's interest for you to sell via bookshops, as Trafford makes £3.11 less per book than if was sold on their website.

Not that there is much likelihood of bookshop orders. Trafford leave you to do all the publicity and promotion. If you don't, they don't care; they have your money in their pockets up front. If you do, they sit back and take £7.87 from each book you sell at £9.99. Thus, you are working for Trafford, when the original deal was, they were supposed to be working for you!

Trafford also overcharges on the printing: print on demand book printer ARL charges £71 setup fee for a 160-page book (including a proof copy)thence £2.40 per copy. Trafford charges £3.82 for the same book. ARL does not fine you for having fewer than 50 books printed. ARL posts the books from UK not Canada and their courier charges £15 for a carton of up to about 35 books. ARL charges you £12.50 if you want to alter something after seeing the proof and doesn't make you have another proof printed afterwards. Trafford charges £32 to make an alteration and force yous to have another proof printed at a cost of £12.

Every book has to be proofread and most could benefit from editing, but Trafford won't do this for you (it's too much like hard work). Instead they display a list of freelancers who you can pay. These freelancers have to pay £50 to Trafford for every job they do for one of "their" authors. This, of course, is added to their charges and Trafford makes another £50 out of you, this time for doing absolutely nothing at all.

Trafford's growth in 2005 was an astounding 3,500%, making it the fifth most profitable company in Canada. (www.profitguide.com) In 1999 the company made a profit of 262,000 Canadian dollars; in 2004 this was 9.5 million. Great news if you are a shareholder, but remember, if you are an author employing them to publish your book, that profit comes from YOU.

Misleading text

Trafford says in their brochure that "in the past" a self-publishing author would need to deal with "Sales promotions, announcements, advertising, seeking publicity – it could all be overwhelming." This implies that Trafford are taking all this off your hands (otherwise, why mention it?) but doesn't actually say that they will. In fact, they do none of those things.

Illiterate and repulsive stablemates

I've looked at some Trafford books and seen some astoundingly illiterate excerpts on their website. Laughably typeset and chock-full of errors in punctuation, spelling, grammar and layout.

On an even more unpleasant note, Trafford claim that they exclude books which are "inciting violence, hate literature or pornography", and yet one book on their website is pure pornography from start to finish, and, worse, it graphically portrays a woman being sexually abused, damaged and bleeding from vicious penetration by a man who "chuckles" (author's word) at her pain: "He ripped her open, laughing at her screams." Another, by the same author, insults rape victims by claiming that they are gold-diggers who prey on poor, vulnerable men by having sex with them and "crying rape" for financial gain. I call that "hate literature". When I complained Trafford immediately removed the excerpt from their website.

Publication in Canada

Even though you deal with their Oxford office: "We are proud to announce that our UK office has relocated to one of the world's great literary hotspots ... It is our hope that Oxford's history of literary inspiration will provide the perfect backdrop for authors" - your book is registered and printed only in Canada and it is from there that you have to pay for shipping of all your books.

If there are any factual errors here I would be happy to update the piece, but you get the gist ....

Helena