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Prosperity7
04-07-2007, 08:39 AM
Does anyone know anyting about Destiny Image Publishers? :D

Unimportant
04-07-2007, 09:21 AM
Their website seems to be down, but the google cached version says that they only publish a few dozen books each year out of the thousands of submissions they receive. However, it also shows that they charge a $25 reading fee with each submission. And instead of rejections, they give your name to an "outside author coach" who will contact you with "other publishing options." Those last bits send up big red flags for me.

Prosperity7
04-07-2007, 09:48 AM
Their website seems to be down, but the google cached version says that they only publish a few dozen books each year out of the thousands of submissions they receive. However, it also shows that they charge a $25 reading fee with each submission. And instead of rejections, they give your name to an "outside author coach" who will contact you with "other publishing options." Those last bits send up big red flags for me.

Please explain the red flags.

huw
04-07-2007, 05:09 PM
A $25 reading fee over 'thousands' of submissions means they're making 50K from reading fees alone. Those 'outside author coach' referrals probably also involve a kick-back from the coaches. So they have a nice little business in reading and referring. Maybe they occasionally publish something, too. The question is, do you want to buy a $25 lottery ticket to find out?

Huw

Prosperity7
04-07-2007, 07:15 PM
A $25 reading fee over 'thousands' of submissions means they're making 50K from reading fees alone. Those 'outside author coach' referrals probably also involve a kick-back from the coaches. So they have a nice little business in reading and referring. Maybe they occasionally publish something, too. The question is, do you want to buy a $25 lottery ticket to find out?

Huw

In spite of what they say, I find it hard to believe they get thousands of book submissions a year. I know someone who uses them and he has two books published through them. I don't know why, but I don't think either book has sold many copies, but the fact that both books have apparently faired so poorly my indicate that the publisher isn't as selective as they claim. ???????????????????:D

triceretops
04-07-2007, 07:25 PM
The publisher is not selective in the distribution venues they use or acquire. It doesn't sound like they can sell books period, except for online. Are they visiable in bookstores or libraries? A reading fee PLUS a referral kickback makes them a nice little chunck of change. Add a reverse vantiy model on to that and they are actually doing better than Publish America, in a one-on-one situation with the individual author.

Wouldn't even waste my time with this one.

Tri

Unimportant
04-08-2007, 12:54 AM
Propserity, if your friend's books aren't selling very well, that's pretty much the definitive answer. There's no point in sending one's manuscripts to a publisher who can't sell its own books.

DI appears to sell at least some of their books directly to churches, ministries, etc, since they're a heavily Christian/religious publisher. I also ran across another site where anyone looking for people to spam their religious stuff to can buy DI's mailing list, which consists of the names and addresses of every person, store, and church who has ever purchased a book from DI -- perhaps this is standard practice, but it seems a little distasteful to me.

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 01:58 AM
I am filling out a manuscript submission questionaire. I am having difficulty with a question about my manuscripts originality. How do I find out if there are other books like mine? Please help!

SpookyWriter
05-29-2007, 02:00 AM
Go to the bookstore and search the shelves for similar books?

Silver King
05-29-2007, 02:04 AM
I am filling out a manuscript submission questionaire...
What is that, exactly? Are they charging you anything to submit your work?

Stijn Hommes
05-29-2007, 02:04 AM
Is your book fiction or non-fiction?

scarletpeaches
05-29-2007, 02:10 AM
Amazon. Marvellous invention.

Robin Bayne
05-29-2007, 03:15 AM
If you wrote it, it's your original work.

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 03:44 AM
Is your book fiction or non-fiction?

Fiction.

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 03:47 AM
Amazon. Marvellous invention.

Ok smarty pants, I know about Amazon.:tongue I just wondered if there was a more thorough way. Guess not huh?

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 03:53 AM
If you wrote it, it's your original work.

Yes, but they want to know how mine differs from all the other titles out there. I don't know if my manuscripts subject matter has ever been written about. However, I don't want to pitch such a bold statement when I'm not sure it's true. See what I'm saying?

Storyteller5
05-29-2007, 03:55 AM
Talk to a librarian. Sometimes you can get lucky and find a very knowledgeable one who has read a lot and can let you know if they've read something similar. If you belong to a crit group, that's another group of people to ask. :)

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 03:58 AM
Hey, great idea! Thanks Storyteller5!

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 04:34 AM
... it also shows that they charge a $25 reading fee with each submission.

No, the website states they only charge a fee for mss sent via snail mail.

MidnightMuse
05-29-2007, 04:59 AM
In every query you have to convince an agent your book isn't like any other book out there. This is the part where you sell your story and your writing. If it was easy, it'd be . . . well, easy.

justpat
05-29-2007, 05:25 AM
Are they charging you anything to submit your work?

This is a good question. Are they? Because if they are... well, don't pay them anything.

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 07:31 AM
This is a good question. Are they? Because if they are... well, don't pay them anything.

They only charge a $25 unsolicited ms viewing fee, if the ms is sent snail mail.
What the difference is, I don't know. Do you?

herdon
05-29-2007, 07:35 AM
They only charge a $25 unsolicited ms viewing fee, if the ms is sent snail mail.
What the difference is, I don't know. Do you?

Anything over $0.00 is too much. If they are charging you a fee to view it they aren't making money selling/publishing books, they are making money taking submissions.

Birol
05-29-2007, 07:37 AM
Whoa! I'm hearing alarms going off here, bikerchick. A questionnaire is unusual in and of itself and now it's combined with a reading fee, however nominal? Who are you submitting to?

JJ Cooper
05-29-2007, 07:45 AM
Don't lick that stamp. Slowly put the envelope down and start researching this site for some background info on who you are submitting to. It's like sending it to me with the $25.00. I'll just give it a glance and go buy myself more beer.

JJ

Elektra
05-29-2007, 07:46 AM
http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/ Have you checked them out here yet?

justpat
05-29-2007, 08:03 AM
Yeah, this doesn't sound right at all. What is this $25 supposed to buy you? Whats the name of this place?

Sean D. Schaffer
05-29-2007, 10:18 AM
They only charge a $25 unsolicited ms viewing fee, if the ms is sent snail mail.
What the difference is, I don't know. Do you?


The difference is, you shouldn't have to pay anything to have an agent or publisher look at your hard work. If a company is legitimate, they won't charge you to read your work.

Also, a questionnaire sounds to me very much like something PublishAmerica or another vanity house would do. I'd steer clear of a company that charges you for your hard work or asks you if your work is original.

Like Uncle Jim says, "Money flows toward the writer".

I wish you the best with your piece, and think of it this way: aim high with your submissions. You'll never know if your work is bestseller material if you start at the bottom. Start at the top, and you might be surprised by what you get.


Good luck to you.

:)

AnneMarble
05-29-2007, 05:19 PM
I am filling out a manuscript submission questionaire. I am having difficulty with a question about my manuscripts originality. How do I find out if there are other books like mine? Please help!
How did they word it? Usually, when questionaires ask you to verify that the manuscript is original, what they mean is that they are asking you to confirm that you wrote it. It's a way for them to confirm that the manuscript was not plagiarized. (I'm not sure if it really does cover them legally.)

Anyway, as they are asking for a fee, don't send it to them. Avoid them at all costs.

aka eraser
05-29-2007, 06:03 PM
Heed the warnings given above. Don't deal with any agent/pub who asks for money up front. Ever.

Publishers aren't very interested in truly original concepts. They're leery of them because there's no established track record of success. They want books that can be described as "similar to _____ and ____ " (fairly well regarded books) "but different in that ______." They're looking for fresh slants that will appeal to existing, identifiable readerships.

MidnightMuse
05-29-2007, 06:29 PM
Put the MS down and back away slowly. Tempting as it is, don't pay anyone a dime to read your manuscript, solicited or un.

Azure Skye
05-29-2007, 07:08 PM
For future reference: http://novelst3.epnet.com/NovApp/novelist/search.aspx?sid=DBF845FB-F20B-47EA-9C4D-DA461F82959F%40sessi&control=bbs&tag1=XY

And, don't send money to anyone. "The money flows toward the writer."

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 08:44 PM
Ok folks, here is the scoop. The publishing company is called Destiny Image, Inc. I called them today with some questions, only to find out they are a vanity press. So, fiddle sticks (which means :rant:).
However, if I was looking for a vanity press, Destiny Image would impress me. Look at this site, they accually have books for sale that are in stock.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntk=publisher&Ntt=Destiny+Image&action=Search&N=0&Ne=0&event=ESRCN&nav_search=1&cms=1&Go.x=15&Go.y=11

Nifty isn't it?
Thanks everyone for your much needed feedback. I really apprieciate your insight.:LilLove:

Jamesaritchie
05-29-2007, 08:52 PM
They only charge a $25 unsolicited ms viewing fee, if the ms is sent snail mail.
What the difference is, I don't know. Do you?

Only 25$ Guess how this agent is making money.

Sean D. Schaffer
05-29-2007, 09:00 PM
Ok folks, here is the scoop. The publishing company is called Destiny Image, Inc. I called them today with some questions, only to find out they are a vanity press. So, fiddle sticks (which means :rant:).
However, if I was desperate enough to go to a vanity press, Destiny Image would impress me. Look at this site, they accually have books for sale that are in stock.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntk=publisher&Ntt=Destiny+Image&action=Search&N=0&Ne=0&event=ESRCN&nav_search=1&cms=1&Go.x=15&Go.y=11

Nifty isn't it?
Thanks everyone for your much needed feedback. I really apprieciate your insight.:LilLove:


You're very welcome, Bikerchick. Just remember if your writing is good, you can do so much better than a vanity house. It will take longer to get your work out to the reading public, yes, but the advance you receive and the book distribution will be so much better than a vanity house could offer.

I'm glad you found out the nature of the house, although I am sorry you were hurt by what you found. I wish you the very best with your writing, and never give up.

:Hug2:

bikerchick
05-29-2007, 09:01 PM
Sorry Jamesaritchie, your confusion is my fault. What I should have written is 'they charge $25 to view it only if it is sent snail mail.'

cynfulxx
02-07-2008, 11:01 PM
Whoa! I'm hearing alarms going off here, bikerchick. A questionnaire is unusual in and of itself . . .

Actually, it isn't. Many indy publishers use questionnaires for new authors for a couple of reasons, first to gather accurate information to submit the distributor, second, as a streamlined way to gather information about the author -- we don't have all the resources available to big publishers and the details gathered on a questionnaire are invaluable.

I do the same for new authors/ new books.

CaoPaux
05-30-2008, 11:43 PM
Adding link (video/audio warning): http://www.destinyimage.com/

scottishpunk
11-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Ok folks, here is the scoop. The publishing company is called Destiny Image, Inc. I called them today with some questions, only to find out they are a vanity press. So, fiddle sticks (which means :rant:).
However, if I was looking for a vanity press, Destiny Image would impress me. Look at this site, they accually have books for sale that are in stock.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntk=publisher&Ntt=Destiny+Image&action=Search&N=0&Ne=0&event=ESRCN&nav_search=1&cms=1&Go.x=15&Go.y=11

Nifty isn't it?
Thanks everyone for your much needed feedback. I really apprieciate your insight.:LilLove:

Huh. I guess they are pretty good for a vanity press. I've seen a couple of their books while browsing at Barnes and Nobel...

M.R.J. Le Blanc
11-10-2009, 10:17 PM
Those could have been put there on consignment if the author is local.

atthebeach
06-10-2014, 08:11 AM
I was looking at various Christian publishers and came across this one today.

I no longer see a $25 submission fee as listed above (and I know this is resurrecting an old thread). But, I also don't see this group on P & E.

So I thought I would save someone both money and time. It appears to be even WORSE now.

The "cost" of publishing with them, if accepted? A "pre-purchase" of typically 1,000-3,000 copies of your book (at a "discount" of course), to show you are dedicated, or some such equivalent term.

I am sure if you submit, you will be told yours is so special it merits a pre-purchase of the higher end of that range. Ug..

Yes, back away from your keyboard and walk as far away from them as you can. Hurry!

ETA: I am not saying that someone cannot decide to go with a place like this, but I just think it is slimy when they act like you should hope they "accept" you, and then demand you purchase copies if accepted, perhaps not realizing this is not how most publishers operate.