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J.S Greer
03-30-2007, 10:09 PM
The following is from a guy on another forum, who ive been discussing PA with.


I appreciate your reponse and value your imput. But I have in fact been talking with the CORPORATE offices at Barnes and Nobles and Walden books and they in fact have told me they stock PA books now. PA recently changed their direction and now allow their books to be returned, you can contact these companies yourself to hear it from the company spokesperson to say exactly what I'm talking about here.

But to be fair, I have had friends who write and they have tried and tried to get their bokos picked up by PA for over two years now and I know for FACT that PA turned them down. Now, forgive me for not understanding this business like I should, but for a company that others have alleged that they (PA) takes anyone is simply not true. A good friend of mine last year wrote a horror novel, sent it to PA, they contacted him three months later telling him that they rejected it as it didn't fit their needs. He was shocked! I was shocked as I heard that PA does not care about content or spelling or whatever, but they still turned him down. So, the argument that they take anyone does not hold water with me. So how do YOU explain that?

As for books being asked to buy, PA has not ONCE asked me to buy my own books! I have the option to buy my books at a discount rate and when I contacted Random house about their authors and buying bokos, guess what they told me, it's done in the major publishing houses as well.

Here's the deal, do you think maybe that the books that PA wants the authors to buy maybe are books that simply are not good to start with? I know my book is already being picked up by barnes and nobles, but let's be clear why, it has a hook
it's about sex, and porn. So obviously PA saw a marketing chance with me to use my name and history in the porn business. But regardless, I am confident of the books future earnings.


Did I miss PA starting to allow returns and actually being carried in stores now?

I ran out of strength to dispute his claims, any fresh voices care to weigh in?

TracySutterer & GaryRogers
03-30-2007, 10:49 PM
In Meiners own words during his Arbitration meeting with Phil Dolan, he stated that PublishAmerica was set up for authors to buy their own books. In fact, he was very surprised that his company had taken off the way it did.

Maybe, PublishAmerica had changed their policies about accepting any warm manuscript that is submitted - yet, their return policy sucks. The books are still over-priced and there is a penalty to the bookstores who return books.

Here is the Link - You can click on it and check it out:

http://www.freewebs.com/pozkin/legalwatch.htm

Gary Rogers

zizban
03-30-2007, 10:50 PM
Ask him if you can walk into a Barnes and Noble and find his book on the shelf. Not the BN near him, the BN near you. No shelf=no sales except for friends and family, period, since PA does no marketing.

PA has been offering returns and discounts recently but the discount is 5-10% and the returns requires a restocking fee. In other words, nothing has changed.

ccomer
03-30-2007, 11:13 PM
Every day bookstores are hosting book signing events for PublishAmerica authors such as yourself. So far an estimated almost ten thousand such PublishAmerica author appearances have taken place. They occur in a wide variety of bookstores, but the number one bookstore chain that is welcoming PublishAmerica authors is Barnes and Noble. Waldenbooks is second, Borders stores are third. You may announce your own upcoming book signing here: http://www.publishamerica.com/booksignings.htm.

Typically, when a signing is scheduled, bookstores stock the books. Bookstore stocking occurs to our title list once every hour, every business day, more than two thousand times a year. Over time those books generally sell well. In fact, they sell very well, better than average. Ever since PublishAmerica made thousands of our titles returnable for bookstores as part of an ongoing and unparallelled experiment, only six percent of all stocked books have remained unsold. The average industry return rate is between 20-30 percent.

One effect of all this author and bookstore activity is an increasing media exposure. Last week, the Dallas Morning News (circulation 500,000) featured 97-year-old author June Wetherell Frame who co-wrote a PublishAmerica novel ("On With the Dance"): one of the roughly five times every day that a newspaper somewhere in America highlights a PublishAmerica book or author. And that's not counting magazines, radio, TV, and other media.

In February, we announced that we would scan some of those newspaper stories and make them available for your education and entertainment. We have selected more than 200 of them. By going to http://www.publishamerica.com/Press/index.htm and clicking on "Scanned Press Clippings" you can now enjoy these "live" clippings at your leisure.

Finally, for those who elect to have copies of their own book on hand (as always: do not buy copies of your own book if you don't need any; at PublishAmerica being a published author is free!), we are currently running this special offer: you may purchase 75 or more copies at 50 percent discount. Offer expires April 6, hardcovers and full-color books excluded. Phone orders only: 301 695 1707.

Thank you!

PublishAmerica Author Support

I don't know if this belongs here or will help. But here it is. Got it today and i no longer belong to PA

James D. Macdonald
03-30-2007, 11:18 PM
It's another of the misleading letters designed to high-pressure authors into buying their own books.

Looks like that new PR department is active, but they're still trying to sell your books to you.

BTW, did you see PA's Site Disclaimer?


This site is provided by PublishAmerica, LLLP on an "as is" basis. PublishAmerica, LLLP. makes no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, as to the operation of the site, the information, content, materials or products, included on this site. To the full extent permissible by applicable law, PublishAmerica, LLLP. disclaims all warranties, express or implied, including but not limited to, implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. PublishAmerica, LLLP will not be liable for any damages of any kind arising from the use of this site, including but not limited to direct, indirect, incidental punitive and consequential damages.

In other words: "We're lying our asses off, but it's not our fault if you believe us."

JulieB
03-30-2007, 11:23 PM
Oh, my. I thought the DMN knew better than that. But I see that the article was written by a freelancer.

Here's the link. (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-dcfocus_22met.ART.East.Edition1.4424e9a.html) Registration may be required.

Ms. Frame is 97, and she has a co-author.


So for On With the Dance, the duo chose to go through PublishAmerica, a company that combines print-on-demand technology and online sales channels with certain aspects of self-publishing.

Well, at least they didn't make out like the book is available in stores.

I should also note that most of those stories from the DMN that PA links to are only available in their archives. You have to pay to get a copy.

James D. Macdonald
03-30-2007, 11:27 PM
Those stories are (based on a random sample) all Local Man Writes Book human-interest stories.

brianm
03-31-2007, 12:07 AM
I appreciate your reponse and value your imput. But I have in fact been talking with the CORPORATE offices at Barnes and Nobles and Walden books and they in fact have told me they stock PA books now. PA recently changed their direction and now allow their books to be returned, you can contact these companies yourself to hear it from the company spokesperson to say exactly what I'm talking about here.

PA offers a 5-10% discount to retail stores. They also charge a 10% restocking fee for returned books. Retail bookstores cannot make money by stocking PA books. This person is confusing the fact that his book will be available online through B&N with the book actually being on shelves in the brick and mortar stores.

Some members of PA have, on rare occasions, convinced their local stores to carry a few copies. Some of the stories I have read on PAMB were because the person knew the manager or the manager wanted to do it for them because they were a local author. National shelving in B&N? No way. The bookstore can’t make money on PA books, and that’s the bottom line.

Even if PA began offering 40-50% discounts, there are no legitimate reviews, and no catalogue or sales force at PA to go out and sell the books to the bookstores. Then there’s the matter of the quality and pricing of the books.


A good friend of mine last year wrote a horror novel, sent it to PA, they contacted him three months later telling him that they rejected it as it didn't fit their needs. He was shocked! I was shocked as I heard that PA does not care about content or spelling or whatever, but they still turned him down. So, the argument that they take anyone does not hold water with me. So how do YOU explain that?

PA had probably reached their quota for the month that this person sent in their MS. When PA next experiences a slow month, I bet that person receives a letter from PA advising them that PA changed its mind and wants to give their book the exposure it deserves.


I know my book is already being picked up by barnes and nobles, but let's be clear why, it has a hook
it's about sex, and porn. So obviously PA saw a marketing chance with me to use my name and history in the porn business. But regardless, I am confident of the books future earnings.

1) I hope this person writes better in their book than they do in their note to you.
2) B&N can’t make money by stocking this book. Getting a 5%-10% discount just isn’t going to cut it.
3) Am I missing something? If this were a famous porn star who wrote this book, perhaps a legitimate publisher might consider it if it were well written or could be rewritten to make it publishable. Did this person try to get it published through commercial publishers? If they said yes and they were rejected, then chances are this person is like the majority of PA members. He thinks his story is so great and so unusual that all it needs is publishing for the world to run out and buy the book.

No catalogue, no sales force, ridiculously low discounts, overly priced books, poorly edited, poorly printed books = no shelving.

You can talk until you are blue in the face with this person. He is one of those people who will have to come to his own conclusions about PA after the honeymoon period is over. Obviously, he knows little to nothing about the real world of publishing and I doubt a porn career makes for the basis of good writing. Although, it is more show than tell... sorry, I couldn't resist.

All that we can do is to keep getting the word out about PA. We aren’t missionaries out to change minds. If people still think PA is a good thing after they have read the warnings and talked to people like you, then frankly they are a perfect fit for PA. I don’t mean to be harsh, but seriously, some people just need to take the wrong road in order to learn from a bad experience. That’s life.

spike
03-31-2007, 01:56 AM
I have to agree with Brianm.

Some people have to learn for themselves. If you keep confronting them, they will get defensive. It stops being a conversation about information, and becomes a personal fight. Even when this person discovers he is wrong, he may continue to sing PA's tune just so he doesn't have to admit his error.

The best you can do is offer the facts, wish them well, and inform others of the problems with PA.

The_Grand_Duchess
03-31-2007, 02:56 AM
Z, remember the guy with the PA book that was all upset and I had to break it down for him? And we fought for like ever about PA and he stood by it. . . This better not be that guy.

Anyway, I'm going to tell you like you told me: Let it go. There's no convincing some people.

Jersey Chick
03-31-2007, 03:41 AM
Unfortunately, no one likes to be told that they've made a mistake. Little by little, hopefully at least some will see the light. It's better than nothing, I guess.

J.S Greer
03-31-2007, 09:50 AM
Z, remember the guy with the PA book that was all upset and I had to break it down for him? And we fought for like ever about PA and he stood by it. . . This better not be that guy.

Anyway, I'm going to tell you like you told me: Let it go. There's no convincing some people.

I know Duch, I know!:tongue

And as usual, you all come through with some great responses. Brianm, you always hit the nail on the head.

VickyH
03-31-2007, 02:47 PM
But I have in fact been talking with the CORPORATE offices at Barnes and Nobles and Walden books and they in fact have told me they stock PA books now. PA recently changed their direction and now allow their books to be returned, you can contact these companies yourself to hear it from the company spokesperson to say exactly what I'm talking about here.

This is in correct. I have a letter from B&N stating that they do not stock ANY POD books, including those printed by PublishAmerica.

ccomer
03-31-2007, 07:03 PM
I got in touch with B&N and they refused to talk to me about PA.

zizban
03-31-2007, 08:31 PM
Probably tired of talking about it. They are on the record already. If anything has changed, we'd hear about it.

icerose
04-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Some people just have to learn the hard way. That's all there is to it.

Sparhawk
04-03-2007, 07:59 PM
J.S.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I called an associate that works at Barnes and Noble in Framingham, MA. I inquired about accepting and stocking POD books, specifically books by Publish America. The policy is still the same as it's always been. The books are available for order but they are not stocked.

This Porn guy will experience another kind of screwing over the next nine months...

The_Grand_Duchess
04-05-2007, 06:32 PM
Z, it is the same guy isn't it? :-P

JimmyD1318
04-05-2007, 10:16 PM
I have to agree with Brianm.

Some people have to learn for themselves. If you keep confronting them, they will get defensive. It stops being a conversation about information, and becomes a personal fight. Even when this person discovers he is wrong, he may continue to sing PA's tune just so he doesn't have to admit his error.

The best you can do is offer the facts, wish them well, and inform others of the problems with PA.

I know that from first hand experience. If you try to tell them what's up, they get angery and defensive. Then come all of the exscuses about how your wrong and they are right. So for now I have given up trying to tell any PA writer that PA is what it is. Like it has been said, they need to learn for themselves.

JimmyD1318
04-05-2007, 10:20 PM
This Porn guy will experience another kind of screwing over the next nine months...

Sparhawk...you nearly made me spit up my soda with that one! Good show! That one was as good as one of Gravity's cracks!:ROFL:

zizban
04-05-2007, 10:51 PM
I know that from first hand experience. If you try to tell them what's up, they get angery and defensive. Then come all of the exscuses about how your wrong and they are write. So for now I have given up trying to tell any PA writer that PA is what it is. Like it has been said, they need to learn for themselves.

I find that too. The level of denial is astonishing.

James D. Macdonald
04-06-2007, 12:33 AM
You don't have to say anything more than "Let me know how that works out for you."

xhouseboy
04-06-2007, 03:26 AM
Finally, for those who elect to have copies of their own book on hand (as always: do not buy copies of your own book if you don't need any; at PublishAmerica being a published author is free!), we are currently running this special offer: you may purchase 75 or more copies at 50 percent discount. Offer expires April 6, hardcovers and full-color books excluded. Phone orders only: 301 695 1707.

Thank you!

PublishAmerica Author Support



And don't buy one of those plastic ponchos they try to sell you after you've already paid to go on the log/water roller coaster and you see some people coming off soaked to the bone. You don't need them; they're optional.

And no need to tick the 'yes' box in the Reader's Digest special offer that goes hand in hand with every competion they run. Just don't expect your entry to get much further than the trash bin.

JimmyD1318
04-06-2007, 05:48 AM
I find that too. The level of denial is astonishing.

Beyond astonishing! I wonder what would happen if these confrotations would happen face to face insteed over the internet? I really think they would turn physical in some cases! But hey, their money, their lives'. Let them learn the hard way. All we can do is keep beating the drum and try to keep people from going down that road.:)