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bloemmarc
03-24-2007, 10:46 PM
Ok, I don't know how many people here have been following this ongoing legal battle between Peter Jackson and New Line.

I am wondering, who is exactly in the right with this case?

Also would anybody go and see The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings prequel if Jackson did not make it? I loved the three trilogy movies he did direct, but I will be honest in saying that he did butcher them alot as compared with the books. There are so many inconsistencies, it's unreal.

Being a die hard Tolkein fan and having read how he would change the Hobbit from an interview with him on Theonering.net, I am not sure I would want him to direct it anymore.
I dunno, what do others think?

tourdeforce
03-24-2007, 10:51 PM
Jackson did a great job with the LOTR trilogy.

However, no one is indispensable.

A new production team could do very good job with THE HOBBIT, perhaps even better than Jackson. Although, most likely not.

Whoever does take it on has a lot to live up to and anything less than a complete artistic triumph just may cast the shadow of failure over the production.

bloemmarc
03-24-2007, 10:54 PM
That's very true. Anythingless that what Jackson did would doom the franchise. I'm sure that is why they are not rushing into this project with someone new; alot will be on the line.(Money)



Jackson did a great job with the LOTR trilogy.

However, no one is indispensable.

A new production team could do very good job with THE HOBBIT, perhaps even better than Jackson. Although, most likely not.

Whoever does take it on has a lot to live up to and anything less than a complete artistic triumph just may cast the shadow of failure over the production.

TheGaffer
03-25-2007, 12:03 AM
Jackson did a great job with the LOTR trilogy.

However, no one is indispensable.

Maybe. But considering that he did the books justice -- though of course adapting and altering them for film, received massive critical acclaim, and made somewhere between a zillion and a cajillion dollars for the studio, I'd think they'd wanna try to work it out with him.

maestrowork
03-25-2007, 12:18 AM
I think Tokien's material is timeless. Jackson did a great job, but with today's technology and talents, I'm sure someone else can do Tokien justice as well. Look at X-3 -- Brett Ratner did just fine without Bryan Singer.

Deadbeat 007
03-25-2007, 05:07 AM
The Hobbit is such a good story that I think it would take a moron to ruin it. I think Jackson would do a good job on the film, but, then again, I haven't heard of the kind of plans he has in store for the movie.

Luke flees the scene
03-25-2007, 06:08 AM
They're finally making a film for The Hobbit? I've been waiting for it for awhile. The book was actually one of the books that turned me into the fantasy geek I am today. With how well Peter Jackson did with the LOTR trilogy, I'm pretty positive he'd do just as well for The Hobbit, even with all the alterations and cut-outs. I can't wait for this.

Chumplet
03-25-2007, 06:21 AM
Jackson did what he could with an epic trilogy. He couldn't possibly fit everything in, even if he wanted to. The extended versions of the DVDs were even more of a treat than the theatre releases. I would have liked to see Tom Bombadil, but ya can't have everything.

The Hobbit isn't as long, and it's a simpler story. If he goes ahead with it, I'm sure he'll do it justice. Why is this on TIO?

bloemmarc
03-25-2007, 07:30 AM
no, you can't fit everything into the story, but you can certainly refrain from adding new things like Haldir and the elfs fighting at Helms Deep.

Arwen riding with Frodo to the Fords of Rivendell, when that was the Lord Glorofindel.
Also consider this. In the Two towers, Aragorn mentioned to Theoden that he has 2000 good men riding north.
Theoden says Eomer cannot help them. So they pack everybody up and head off to Helsm Deep, where Theoden tells Aragorn that they are indeed alone.
But hey in the Return of the King, they are all of a sudden able to Marshall 6000 more riders, in just two days no less.

There were other changes and inconsistencies as well, but these are just a few. He did butcher the books somewhat.




Jackson did what he could with an epic trilogy. He couldn't possibly fit everything in, even if he wanted to. The extended versions of the DVDs were even more of a treat than the theatre releases. I would have liked to see Tom Bombadil, but ya can't have everything.

The Hobbit isn't as long, and it's a simpler story. If he goes ahead with it, I'm sure he'll do it justice. Why is this on TIO?

LloydBrown
03-25-2007, 07:18 PM
I would be happy to see the Hobbit in someone else's hands. Anybody can do eye candy. I want to see a good movie.

tourdeforce
03-25-2007, 07:20 PM
I think every movie would be better if it was directed by Francis Ford Coppola.

bloemmarc
03-25-2007, 07:48 PM
The God father director?

what about george Lucas?


I think every movie would be better if it was directed by Francis Ford Coppola.

maestrowork
03-25-2007, 09:42 PM
George Lucas should keep his job as a producer from now on.

robeiae
03-25-2007, 09:58 PM
I think every movie would be better if it was directed by Francis Ford Coppola.
Even Jack?

SherryTex
03-25-2007, 10:26 PM
Trembling at the idea of George Lucas ever getting his hands on another piece of film....please, (use Kirk intonations) dear God, ....No!

Even Tolkien didn't know what to do with Tom Bombadil so that's no loss in my mind.

Hobbit needs to be well done to cope with what has come before, and to get the circa 70's songs out of my head.

Will conceed that Arwen is in any scenes at all when she is an addendum character annoyed me, even as a woman --what, TLOTR wasn't long enough on its own, we had to write in scenes from the addendum --but we couldn't have the Shire pay the price for trying to be isolated from the world? No one wants the Shire destroyed except those who would destroy everything --think that was the one false note, as hope had to grow from rising from the ashes of everything, and not because this one part of the world was untouched by the war designed to destroy all the world.

Everything else, I could live with, if Newline gets someone else, they will have to live with being compared --if Jackson does it, it will have to suffer comparison but at least he's the one that set the bar. Think people will go either way, but Jackson (King Kong fiasco excepted) has a lot of name weight with the fans and that goes towards bringing in $$$$$$$$$, think the heads would be foolish not to give the man his chance.

veinglory
03-25-2007, 10:29 PM
Jackson didn't just direct. His friend did the screen play, very crucially his company did the special effects, he did the casting and his country was something of an important factor as far as backdrops go etc etc etc

If the Hobbit goes to the usual suspects it will look like the Narnia movie.

robeiae
03-25-2007, 10:49 PM
Of course, The Hobbit is not the LOTR. It is much lighter, more playful, and certainly lacks much of the darker imagery, along with the war imagery (for the most part) of the latter.

That said, I'd like to see Jackson do it. I think he could do it well, but I may be wrong.

Certainly, the Hobbit as a movie should be less intense than LOTR as a movie. Is Jackson capable of that?

P.S. Shouldn't this thread be in the TV/Movies forum? Maybe a mod could move it...

britwrit
03-26-2007, 02:29 AM
I love these stories about plucky underdog multimillionaires going up against slightly richer (and meaner!) multimillionaires.

veinglory
03-26-2007, 02:51 AM
Jackson do light?--um did you see Brain Dead, or Meet the Feebles? He started in comedy--gross out comedy, but still comedy ;)

dclary
03-26-2007, 11:05 PM
*COUGH(nerds!)COUGH!*

robeiae
03-26-2007, 11:32 PM
Jackson do light?--um did you see Brain Dead, or Meet the Feebles? He started in comedy--gross out comedy, but still comedy ;)
It's not a question of "can he do comedy," it's one of "can he do The Hobbit in a very different way than LOTR."

I see no reason to think he can't, but I don't know enough about him to know that he can. So I'm askin'. :)

maestrowork
03-26-2007, 11:59 PM
From what I've seen in Jackson's previous work (Frighteners was okay, Meet the Feebles was hilarious and WRONG, and LotR had me go -- how did he get from the Frighteners to this?)... he's very versatile, intense, but with a great sense of humor. So I don't doubt that he could pull off the Hobbits beautifully, especially since he's very familiar with the material to begin with. In fact, this seems like a "step back" for him after LotR.


However, I restate my opinion that there's no reason someone can't do the same or better.

RJLeahy
03-27-2007, 01:51 AM
Peter jackson can not possibly have the time to take on The Hobbit. I sent a copy of my novel to him in New Zealand, and I'm sure he's gearing up as we speak, to announce his intention to make it into a film.

I'm confident.

Yesirree.

Any day now.

Um...Mr. Jackson?

Hello?

veinglory
03-27-2007, 03:09 AM
Then there was his weird sort of literary true crime movie: Beautiful Creatures

He is pretty versatile. I mean, he could still mess it up--the weight loss and laser eye surgery may have stripped him of his super-geek powers?

A lot of great cinematographers from NZ were messed up by success and all the stuff that goes with it.

Dawno
03-27-2007, 03:27 AM
...Why is this on TIO?

Good question! I've moved it to the new Movies & TV forum.

WerenCole
03-27-2007, 05:43 AM
I think I should make the movie. . . screw Jackson.

oswann
03-27-2007, 11:04 AM
Who cares about the movie? One of the biggest load of bollocks I have ever seen (Star Wars movies aside).

Wooooooooooaaaaaaah! We must find the sword of Fnkdfsqmm!
Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah! They'll never capture us those pesky Hjdsmqkfus!
Etc. Et al. Oh brother get me out of here.

Os.

Vincent
03-27-2007, 12:08 PM
Pfft.

J. Weiland
03-28-2007, 05:51 PM
Jackson do light?--um did you see Brain Dead, or Meet the Feebles? He started in comedy--gross out comedy, but still comedy ;)

Both brilliant flicks. "I kick arse for the Lord!" :D

Toothpaste
03-28-2007, 07:30 PM
First, I don't think he butchered the books at all. I think he made a movie of books and doing so requires making choices and changing things around. Think about the first 2 Harry Potter movies. So religious to the books that they have little spirit of their own (I still love them, but not as "great" movies).

Second Maestro I must I MUST beg to differ with your opinion on X3. It was tolerable, but the heart and soul of the first two films was gone. The director came in went, "I don't like these characters, I'll kill them off and put in new ones with no introduction nor rhyme or reason. Also I'll make sure that those new characters, though fun, are not quite as cool as the original ones. Also Halle Berry is causing a stink, I guess I'd better give into her and make her part huge." The best sequence in the film, where Magneto is trying to find Mystique and tosses aside all those trucks coming down the street, was stolen from a screeplay treatment from the original screenplay writer (who didn't work on the third film). I think the movie was turned into your average mindless action movie, Wolverine into a one line joke, and Phoneix into an illogical character (why doesn't she just kill everyone with one thought?). All this is basically pointing out that there are times you can switch directors and everything turns out fine or better (Harry Potter) but it doesn't always work

However....

The Hobbit? I just don't think it is that interesting a film. Remember this is a kid's book first of all. Second, aside from that encounter with the elves we are watching dwarves and a hobbit, and that isn't exactly sexy. The plot is very strightforward. I'd rather Pete move onto the Temeraire series personally (god I love those books!).

dclary
03-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Who cares about the movie? One of the biggest load of bollocks I have ever seen (Star Wars movies aside).

Wooooooooooaaaaaaah! We must find the sword of Fnkdfsqmm!
Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah! They'll never capture us those pesky Hjdsmqkfus!
Etc. Et al. Oh brother get me out of here.

Os.

I don't think you actually saw the movie. Those quotes aren't in there at all.

Parkinsonsd
03-28-2007, 09:51 PM
Wooooooooooaaaaaaah! We must find the sword of Fnkdfsqmm!
Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah! They'll never capture us those pesky Hjdsmqkfus!


No, you got the quote wrong. They weren't looking for a sword, it was the Bladed Orb of Ethiril. If you read your Tolkien mythology, you'd understand that the Bladed Orb of Ethiril was the primary motivating tool in all of his literature, forming the basis of a cultural mythos and certain traditions that he artistically laced within the soceities of Berensine and Gladienta to interconnect a common history.

You really oughtn't dismiss these as there are definite remnants of Tolkien literature in our dialect and governmental structure today.

oswann
03-31-2007, 11:14 AM
No, you got the quote wrong. They weren't looking for a sword, it was the Bladed Orb of Ethiril. If you read your Tolkien mythology, you'd understand that the Bladed Orb of Ethiril was the primary motivating tool in all of his literature, forming the basis of a cultural mythos and certain traditions that he artistically laced within the soceities of Berensine and Gladienta to interconnect a common history.

You really oughtn't dismiss these as there are definite remnants of Tolkien literature in our dialect and governmental structure today.

Oh, please.

Os.