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Penguin Queen
03-20-2007, 03:06 PM
Does anybody know a useful online translator thingy that does Latin? I have a few texts here that I half understand, using my dusty school Latin, but it would be nice to be certain.

...or mebbe you even speak Latin and feel like doing a bit of translation? :D


On the off-chance...

"Romani hermaphroditos humanos ultrumque sexum participantes inter populos ab ipsis remotos parumque sibi cognitos saepius obvenire credebant, inter ipsos interdum natos primus rei publicae temporibus in prodigiis habebant interdum occidebant, in desertam insulam ejiciebant [sic] aut alio modo e medio removebant, serius tamen, Plinii tempore in deliciis habebant."

"Supre Nasamonas confinesque illis Machlyas Androgynos esse utriusque naturae, inter se coeuntes, Calliphanes tradit."


Thanks :)

Rosamund
03-20-2007, 03:13 PM
Me no speaky Latin, but ...

Have you considered looking these verses up in the Loeb edition of the book? It has the Latin on one said and the English translation on the other. I find them very helpful.

Alternatively, if you just want to check a few words, you could use the English to Latin dictionary at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=la. Come to think of it, if you know where and in what book you are looking, you could probably look up the English translation of the text in their classics collection as well (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html). This is an academic site, and it is very well thought of. It's also the best resource for Latin and Ancient Greek on the net that I have found.

I hope this helps a bit.

Edited to add: For example, your second bit from Pliny the Elder's Natural History, Book Seven,Chapter Two, is translated on Perseus as follows:
"Above the Nasamones, and the MachlytŠ, who border upon them, are found, as we learn from Calliphanes, the nation of the Androgyni, a people who unite the two sexes in the same individual, and alternately perform the functions of each."

Penguin Queen
03-20-2007, 03:25 PM
Thanks for that dictionary site.

The problem is the longer quote is from a 19th century medical treatise in Latin, of which as far as I know no German or indeed English translation exists. (Comentatio de hermaphroditismo, auctore A. F. Guenther, Lipsiae 1846)

Youve given me an idea though, I'll have a rootle round & see if there is, I just hadent thouhgt of that.
Cheers :)

Medievalist
03-20-2007, 07:40 PM
Penguin Queen, I can't check at the moment, but ask your local library, especially a college or uni library, to check WorldCat; I bet there is a translation.

Penguin Queen
03-20-2007, 11:58 PM
Never heard of WorldCat before. Looked it up and it looks good. I'll check with the British Library, they're sure to know if anyone does.

Thanks :)

Elektra
03-21-2007, 05:43 AM
Oooh, oooh, I can finally be useful! Can translate for you, if you like. Online translators are evil.

scarletpeaches
03-21-2007, 05:51 AM
Romani hermaphroditos roman people with multiple genitals humanos ultrumque sexum are people who like to have lots of sex participantes inter populos with any member of the population ab ipsis remotos in remote or open places parumque sibi cognitos without thinking. saepius obvenire credebant, People watch incredulously, inter ipsos interdum natos and stick things up their nether parts primus rei publicae primarily in public. temporibus in prodigiis They become temporarily elasticated/stretched habebant interdum occidebant, causing genital accidents. in desertam insulam ejiciebant [sic] Their friends leave them to ejaculate alone aut alio modo e medio removebant, while keeping an eye out for members of the media who would serius tamen, try to tame this behaviour. Plinii tempore in deliciis habebant. Pliny the Younger lives in my delicious house.

Supre Nasamonas confinesque illis Machlyas Androgynos esse utriusque naturae, inter se coeuntes, Calliphanes tradit. Superman captured Ronald McDonald for the good of mankind. He is a cunt. So tradition has it.

Elektra
03-21-2007, 06:00 AM
Though you'll have to give me till tomorrow :)

Penguin Queen
03-21-2007, 12:19 PM
Though you'll have to give me till tomorrow :)

Darling, that would be fabulous! :) The day after tomorrow will do, too, I have several more books to read (thankfully, all in English or German). If I can reciprocrate in any way, let me know. (You know - within reason :tongue )

Elektra
03-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Noooooooooo! Translated the whole stupid thing, and the posttimed out! GRRRRRRRRR

C.bronco
03-22-2007, 05:50 PM
I'm lucky: the Latin teacher's classroom is next to mine. She did my translations. She's out of the building right now, but send me a pm if you can't get it. I'll ask her.

Elektra
03-22-2007, 05:53 PM
Here goes nothin'...



"Romani hermaphroditos humanos ultrumque sexum participantes inter populos ab ipsis remotos parumque sibi cognitos saepius obvenire credebant, The Romans believed human hermaphrodites, and maybe even those who share a sex [no idea what this could mean--possibly Siamese twins?], to frequently occur amoung the peoples from remote regions, little known to them [the Romans]. inter ipsos interdum natos primus rei publicae temporibus in prodigiis habebant interdum occidebant, in desertam insulam ejiciebant [sic] aut alio modo e medio removebant, In portentious times of the nation, the first amoung these peoples sometimes kept the sons [assuming here hermaphrodites], sometimes killed them, cast them off onto a deserted island, or in some other way removed them from the public eye. serius tamen, Plinii tempore in deliciis habebant." Nevertheless serius, they kept in the charming times of Pliny. Again, no idea what that means.

Thanks :)

May I ask what this is for?

C.bronco
03-22-2007, 06:04 PM
That's wacky! Those Romans were always up to something.

Penguin Queen
03-22-2007, 06:56 PM
A gold star for Electra! Thank you very much.



May I ask what this is for?

It's for a radio programme (for German public radio) about the cultural & social history of - you guessed it - hermaphrodites.
Fascinating subject, because it not only shows how societies/cultures dealt with "Others" and otherness, but also about the whole gender thing. This is very apparent in the 19th century when doctirs tried very, very hard to press hermaphroditic poeple, or intersex as as say today, ie those who by definition have - defending on your definition - physical attributes either of more than one sex, or are somewhere along a continuum between the sexes *takes breath* er, yes, so, those 19th century doctors tried very hard to press intersex/hermaphrodite people into either the male or female sex.

Male and female were worlds apart, and to have poeple who were somewhere in the middle, a bit of both but not quite either the one or the other caused a very great deal of anxiety.
Still does, come to that.

I think Jeffrey Eugenides novel "Middelsex" (great title :D) deals with this -- it's still on my reading list.

Fascinating, fascinating stuff. I could go on for hours.

Min you -- I already have, havent I?

Vandal
03-22-2007, 08:04 PM
Romani hermaphroditos roman people with multiple genitals humanos ultrumque sexum are people who like to have lots of sex participantes inter populos with any member of the population ab ipsis remotos in remote or open places parumque sibi cognitos without thinking. saepius obvenire credebant, People watch incredulously, inter ipsos interdum natos and stick things up their nether parts primus rei publicae primarily in public. temporibus in prodigiis They become temporarily elasticated/stretched habebant interdum occidebant, causing genital accidents. in desertam insulam ejiciebant [sic] Their friends leave them to ejaculate alone aut alio modo e medio removebant, while keeping an eye out for members of the media who would serius tamen, try to tame this behaviour. Plinii tempore in deliciis habebant. Pliny the Younger lives in my delicious house.

Supre Nasamonas confinesque illis Machlyas Androgynos esse utriusque naturae, inter se coeuntes, Calliphanes tradit. Superman captured Ronald McDonald for the good of mankind. He is a cunt. So tradition has it.



This is definitely the funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

My oh my.