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Vanatru
03-20-2007, 07:45 AM
I've tried researching what info there is..........via the web.........since I have low to no access to print libaries at the moment.

There's a variety of info on US colored troop units, 1st Kansas Colored; the 54th Massachusetts; 4th US Colored Infantry; 5th United States Colored Cavalry; etc.

What of the CSA? I'm aware of the Confederate Congress General Order 14, but haven't found what actual units of the Confederate States Colored Troops were formed. I've heard that the 7th Tennessee Cavalry had some colored troops and have heard that General Forrest (CSA) had up to 3,000 colored calvary soldiers under his command at various times. I've also heard that the 12th Virginia Cavalry had many colored troopers.

Any info would be appreciated.

-Bill

Tsu Dho Nimh
03-20-2007, 08:03 PM
Googling for
"Civil war" Confederate negro/colored soldiers turns up quite a bit.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1862/confederate-negro-soldier.htm

Robert Toy
03-20-2007, 08:15 PM
Google: "Buffalo soldier", also brings up quite a bit of good information and background.

Vanatru
03-20-2007, 08:44 PM
Thanks guys.

I hadn't seen the Son of the South site.

I pulled up Buffalo Soldiers on Wikipedia yesterday and it talks about the Union side.

I'm specifically trying to find what units were within the CSA Colored Troops.

The backstory of two of my characters are that one was soldier in CSACT and the other an officer w/i the unit. A bit of the backstory is told in the first page of the WIP.

I know I could use Forrests 7th TN or maybe the 37th TX Cav.....but I was hoping to know of an actual unit with the CT.

:::crossing fingers:::

Robert Toy
03-20-2007, 08:48 PM
Thanks guys.

I hadn't seen the Son of the South site.

I pulled up Buffalo Soldiers on Wikipedia yesterday and it talks about the Union side.

I'm specifically trying to find what units were within the CSA Colored Troops.

The backstory of two of my characters are that one was soldier in CSACT and the other an officer w/i the unit. A bit of the backstory is told in the first page of the WIP.

I know I could use Forrests 7th TN or maybe the 37th TX Cav.....but I was hoping to know of an actual unit with the CT.

:::crossing fingers:::
Check theses links:

http://www.nps.gov/archive/foda/Fort_Davis_WEB_PAGE/HOME.htm (http://www.nps.gov/archive/foda/Fort_Davis_WEB_PAGE/HOME.htm)
http://www.imh.org/imh/buf/buf1.html (http://www.imh.org/imh/buf/buf1.html)
http://www.buffalosoldier.net/CathayWilliamsFemaleBuffaloSoldierWithDocuments.ht m (http://www.buffalosoldier.net/CathayWilliamsFemaleBuffaloSoldierWithDocuments.ht m)

Robert Toy
03-20-2007, 09:12 PM
Sorry, misread your post. Colored troops in the CSA.

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/1163/black.html

http://www.texasescapes.com/MurrayMontgomeryLoneStarDiary/Black-Soldiers-in-the-Confederate-Army.htm

http://www.scvcamp469-nbf.com/theblackconfederatesoldier.htm

http://www.37thtexas.org/html/BlkHist.html

http://www.rense.com/general56/theforgottenblackconfed.htm

Vanatru
03-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Thanks. :)

The Scip
03-20-2007, 11:56 PM
-Here is a quote from The Longest Night by : David Eicher regarding black troops for the confederate army.

"Contrary to some postwar claims that black soldiers fought for the confederacy, they did no such thing; a few black 'troops' drilled in the mostly empty streetsof Richmond the day the city fell to Federal troops. That was as close as black Americans ever came to fighting as armed Confederate soldiers."

Hope that helps a bit.

Robert Toy
03-21-2007, 12:22 AM
-Here is a quote from The Longest Night by : David Eicher regarding black troops for the confederate army.

"Contrary to some postwar claims that black soldiers fought for the confederacy, they did no such thing; a few black 'troops' drilled in the mostly empty streetsof Richmond the day the city fell to Federal troops. That was as close as black Americans ever came to fighting as armed Confederate soldiers."

Hope that helps a bit.
Considering all the evidence to the contrary, I would classify David Eicherís quote as being inaccurate.

Penguin Queen
03-21-2007, 03:18 AM
The Encyclopedia Africana on says, "[...] slaves did not fight for the South - the Confederacy even forbade a group of free black Louisianans from volunteering for service. [...] [Thousands of slaves] built forts & bridges, assembled munitions, drove horse teams to transport troops & supplies, cooked meals, nursed the wounded and ill, & served as blacksmiths & laundresses. "

It mentions black regiments in the North (54th Massachussats Regimnt) but none in the South, although I suppose slaves working for a particular regiment might have been counted as belonging to it? (Thats pure guesswork tho'.)

Vanatru
03-21-2007, 05:47 AM
:)

I'm sceptical of anyone or anything that gives an absolute in the printed word. If one person says yay, another will say nay. Both will be able to back their claims in some fashion.

As for the issue of black troops. Well, in some of the cases I've heard, it seems to be semantics. How is the person defining soldier/labour. Labours are not soldiers? Well, we have labours in the armed forces and they're classified soldiers as well. It's personal opinion and personal adgenda. IMO.

If I"m expected to believe that one writer says they don't exist, then I should equally give a chance to the account that says they do exist.

For my WIP, I'm working on the assumption from the clips that I've found, that CSA CT units did exist in whatever fashion. I just need to find what the fashion was.

Worse come to worse, they'll just take a part in the 8th TX Cav.

Cav Guy
03-21-2007, 06:54 PM
Another thing you'll need to watch for is the difference between actual CSA troops and state troops. If memory serves, the Confederates did try to establish something similar to the Regular Army to give the government a fixed military establishment in addition to the state troops.

Start with the official records of the Civil War (these exist in a number of formats and include both Union and Confederate records). I have a copy and can dig through some of them if you like.