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wordmonkey
03-19-2007, 06:34 PM
The Princess Bride.

Perfect movie?

Perfect script?

Perfect adaption?

C.bronco
03-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Yes, yes. Now, which glass has the iocaine powder?

wordmonkey
03-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Yes, yes. Now, which glass has the iocaine powder?

Depends. Have you been buiding a tollerance?

icerose
03-19-2007, 07:44 PM
The adaption to movie was based on a book adaption of the original which thankfully adapted out a bunch of nonesense from the original writer.

So if you are talking about the adaption from the adaption then yes, I'd say it was a perfect adaption.

As for the movie, I found it hilarious when I was growing up, I still find it hilarious, so I'm not sure if it's perfect, but it's pretty dang close.

dpaterso
03-19-2007, 07:49 PM
Tricky one. Memorable performances from the leads (even André), some smart dialogue and set pieces, but... at the risk of being stoned by the howling mob... the cheesy FX weren't exactly ILM quality, and I didn't much like the bookends.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/
Screenplay by William Goldman, from his own novel.

-Derek

RainbowDragon
03-19-2007, 07:58 PM
the cheesy FX weren't exactly ILM quality, and I didn't much like the bookends.

Isn't that consistent with cult films that have such memorable lines that fans memorize the whole dang script? :)

If there's a such thing as a perfect film. . .

wordmonkey
03-19-2007, 08:00 PM
See I actually like the bookends. I think they add to the "wink" the whole things makes to the audience.

Sure, it doesn't have the slickest production quality, but I was thinking more about the storytelling, the dynamic rise and fall of the plot, characters you immediately care about.

I just watched it again with my two oldest kids (both boys, 7 and 3). From the moment it started, they were glued to the screen. Now given they are both rabid about Star Wars and the flash-bang style of that, I was amazed and actually thought they would zone out before the action kicked in.

I actually spent a chunk of time watching THEM watch the movie. Obviously there's some adult moments (insofar as an adult gets a gag that goes over a kid's head, not anything saucy or violent), but they were lead along perfectly. They jumped where they were supposed to jump, felt sad where that was needed, laughed when it was funny, were excited during the fights, shocked at the twists, leaned in when it all looks lost before the successful resolution of the adventure.

PattiTheWicked
03-19-2007, 08:08 PM
My seven-year olds love The Princess Bride -- it's a brilliant movie, and my husband and I can go through it reciting the entire thing line by line.

And my gawd, Cary Elwes was cute.

Farm boy, stand there and look tasty for a moment!

BottomlessCup
03-19-2007, 10:45 PM
It's not perfect, no.

But it's as close to pefect as anything ought to be.

It's also a great "litmus test" movie. If someone says that they hate "The Princess Bride", you should X them forever. You don't want people like that in your life.

whistlelock
03-20-2007, 12:07 AM
The adaption to movie was based on a book adaption of the original which thankfully adapted out a bunch of nonesense from the original writer.

So if you are talking about the adaption from the adaption then yes, I'd say it was a perfect adaption.

As for the movie, I found it hilarious when I was growing up, I still find it hilarious, so I'm not sure if it's perfect, but it's pretty dang close.

um. Ice. That S.Morgenstern stuff is a literary device. Ol'Billy wrote the original. There was no adaption. It's his screenplay based on his book.

And, yeah. An almost perfect film.

Except that Westly has no flaws. even when he's dead, he's perfect.

icerose
03-20-2007, 12:25 AM
um. Ice. That S.Morgenstern stuff is a literary device. Ol'Billy wrote the original. There was no adaption. It's his screenplay based on his book.

And, yeah. An almost perfect film.

Except that Westly has no flaws. even when he's dead, he's perfect.

My bad, thanks for the correction.

scarletpeaches
03-20-2007, 12:27 AM
My seven-year olds love The Princess Bride -- it's a brilliant movie, and my husband and I can go through it reciting the entire thing line by line.

And my gawd, Cary Elwes was cute.

Farm boy, stand there and look tasty for a moment!

Try Kiss the Girls - yummy, that accent! You sooooo would, wouldn't you? Only while Purefoy was taking a rest, though.

whistlelock
03-20-2007, 12:29 AM
My bad, thanks for the correction.
hehe, I only found out after a high school friend and I went all over town to used book stores looking for a copy of the S.Morgenstern unabridged version.

Boy, did we feel stoopid when the last collectables book store we went to told us.

zeprosnepsid
03-20-2007, 12:42 AM
I always liked it when I was younger but haven't seen it in years. I remember liking everything about it except the scene with Billy Crystal and Carol Kane. It always fell flat with me. But maybe it just wasn't my kind of humor.

I think the script is probably pretty close to perfect. My problem with that scene is more the performances than the scene itself. I think visually, the film could have been better. Good production design, but the filmmaking technique is pretty uninspired. Sorry Rob Reiner, it's just what I think.

But script is a solid A.

wordmonkey
03-20-2007, 01:29 AM
Except that Westly has no flaws. even when he's dead, he's perfect.

Well there is the part where he spent the last, what? three years? being the murderous Dread Pirate Roberts!!!!

However, that's glossed over and is clearly meant as a device to explain his skills and knowledge. But he's supposed to be perfect.

This is TRUE love, we're talking about. He's a fairy-tale hero.

icerose
03-20-2007, 02:44 AM
Not to mention the whole thing was a farce on fairytales. It wasn't supposed to be realistic. It was supposed to make fun of every single fantasy out there. It did an excellent job.

RainbowDragon
03-20-2007, 03:23 AM
The book is worth reading too, it gives more background on Inigo, Fezzik and Viccini, and the swordfight scene is excellent!

Joe270
03-20-2007, 05:28 AM
I never read the book, but I really liked the movie. Inigo was a hoot.

So this whole S.Morgenstern thing is really strange. I read an account of it on Wikipedia. The author is blaming a lawsuit from S. Morgenstern's heirs are preventing the sequel from release. They are taking this joke a long way.

Inkdaub
03-20-2007, 10:11 AM
Except that Westly has no flaws. even when he's dead, he's perfect.

Mostly dead.

whistlelock
03-20-2007, 10:40 AM
Oh, my mistake. He got being dead wrong. whew. Which is a good thing, really. Otherwise we'd have to go through his pockets for loose change.

whistlelock
03-20-2007, 10:42 AM
Actually, listening to Goldman's commentary on the dvd is funny. he'll be talking about a scene, it's construction and the things he had to research to write it properly- then stop to watch the scene- and then pick up the commentary as soon as it's over. Especially when he says, "oh wait, i want to see this scene."

dpaterso
03-20-2007, 12:00 PM
Isn't that consistent with cult films that have such memorable lines that fans memorize the whole dang script? :)
Point taken, but Princess Bride's lines are so often quoted because they're good, not because they're cringingly awful. :D


See I actually like the bookends. I think they add to the "wink" the whole things makes to the audience.
Everything you say is true, I can't argue with that. Tho' what I didn't much like about the bookends is that it makes the rest of the film totally unreal. Yes yes it's supposed to be unreal, it's a fantasy story in the truest sense -- a magical tale to be read to the kids at bed-time. But the realist part of me, with feet firmly grounded in concrete, wonders how a straightforward action swashbuckler version would have played out, with maybe Buttercup as the narrator looking back.

...moved thread to Movies and TV forum. There's got to be a whole bunch of Princess Bride fans out there who might not visit Screen Writing forum and see this.

-Derek

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 05:20 PM
How can anyone not like the book ends? It had Peter Falk in it!

And Fred Savage too, but he's only useful when he's chasing Winnie on our behalf.

"Buh-bye! Have fun storming the castle...!"

I consider it a prequel to Robin Hood: Men In Tights. Which makes alarming sense, if you think about it. :D

Shadow_Ferret
03-20-2007, 05:25 PM
The Princess Bride.

Perfect movie?

Perfect script?

Perfect adaption?
I don't know anything about it's literary paper trail. I do think it's a funny movie.

The perfect movie? That animal hasn't been invented yet.

I certainly don't even think this is the funniest movie.

robeiae
03-20-2007, 05:50 PM
I always liked it when I was younger but haven't seen it in years. I remember liking everything about it except the scene with Billy Crystal and Carol Kane. It always fell flat with me. But maybe it just wasn't my kind of humor.
I agree--the weakest part of the movie. Crystal was trying too hard, imo.

So, it's not perfect. But it's darn good.

Anybody want a peanut?

robeiae
03-20-2007, 05:51 PM
The perfect movie? That animal hasn't been invented yet.

I certainly don't even think this is the funniest movie.
That would be Blazing Saddles, on both counts.

No flaws! Zero!

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 05:56 PM
You're thinking of Young Frankenstein there.

robeiae
03-20-2007, 05:58 PM
You're thinking of Young Frankenstein there.
Hackman's performance was subpar.

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Please. The moveable arm? That was hilarious!

And what about Men in Tights? That was comedic genius.

robeiae
03-20-2007, 06:02 PM
And what about Men in Tights? That was comedic genius.
Now you're just reaching.

Ishtar was better than Men in Tights.

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 06:12 PM
Now you're just making stuff up.

And I have been informed by a mysterious third party that Gene Hackman was not the inspector, which I suppose I knew, except that every time I watch that movie, I think he's the inspector up until the moment I see him playing the blind man. Mea culpa.

MidnightMuse
03-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Young Frankenstein's okay, never saw Ishtar, Men in Tights is silly - but put me down for loving The Princess Bride.

Perfect movie? I haven't seen that yet, but Princess Bride's right up there in my top ten.

robeiae
03-20-2007, 06:24 PM
And anyway, think about what your arm smells like, after it's been in a cast for a month. Now imagine ten years or so of that.

And that's the greatest treasure in all the land? Who the hell what want a key to that? Yuck!

Toothpaste
03-20-2007, 06:30 PM
Princess Bride brilliant. One of the best sword fights in film (acknowledged so by many a fight director), and that last scene between Inigo and Count Rugen (Christopher Guest!!) " I want my father back you son of a b****!) perfect. In the way it is staged. In the music. And perfectly written.

No film can be one hundred percent spot on, but this is one of those films where it is a close as it gets.

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 06:33 PM
And anyway, think about what your arm smells like, after it's been in a cast for a month. Now imagine ten years or so of that.

And that's the greatest treasure in all the land? Who the hell what want a key to that? Yuck!

It took me a few minutes to work out what you were referring to.

I'm going to go wash my brain out now.

ChaosTitan
03-20-2007, 06:38 PM
Mandy Patinkin rocks!! :D

Shadow_Ferret
03-20-2007, 07:20 PM
That would be Blazing Saddles, on both counts.

No flaws! Zero!
Yes. Blazing Saddles was brilliant. Although if you ask my son, he'd probably say Space Balls.

dpaterso
03-20-2007, 08:28 PM
That would be Blazing Saddles, on both counts.
No flaws! Zero!
Depends whether you see the cast's spilling over into another film lot for a senseless brawl that doesn't provide satisfying closure for the story, followed by the two leads being driven off into the sunset in a limo, as "no flaws!" or "ripped me right out of the friggin' movie!" Contrast this surrealistic pothead crapfest ending with Princess Bride's ending (with or without bookends), or Young Frankenstein's ending. Don't get me wrong, damn funny film, Blazing Saddles. Carry on.

-Derek

robeiae
03-20-2007, 08:40 PM
All of your taste is in your mouth.

dpaterso
03-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Christmas Card List:
Her Majesty the Queen
HRH Prince Charles
Britney Spears
Kate Beckinsdale
dclary
robeiae
PeeDee *

* I was moved to tears by PeeDee's request, how sad that he has no friends and nobody sends him any Christmas cards, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

-Derek

PeeDee
03-20-2007, 08:46 PM
If you have no one to send that card to, you can send it to me. I'm way cooler than Robeieio.

Soccer Mom
03-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Princess Bride rawks the sawks off of Blazing Saddles. And Young Frankenstein is Mel's most brilliant movie. Second is History of the World, Part One, Blazing Saddles is third. Sorry, Rob.

Bye-bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle! (I say this every morning to my kids when I send them to school.)

BiggerBoat
03-21-2007, 06:06 AM
Princess Bride may not have been perfect, but it was mostly perfect. It's been a staple around our house for years. I can't imagine it being made today, unless it was CGI and crammed with pop culture references.

Joe270
03-22-2007, 11:05 AM
Where are we? Did we warp or something?

Excelsior
03-22-2007, 12:55 PM
Yes, Princess Bride is awesome.

Yes again, Blazing Saddles is funnier.

But, in my humble opinion, the perfect movie was "Shaun of the Dead". It had a bang-on screenplay, it had humor, horror, drama, charachters that you actually cared about (the theater let out a collective gasp of remorse when one particular character got zombie-bitten). The only thing it was missing might have been a musical number.