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tourdeforce
03-17-2007, 04:48 PM
Have you purchased a high definition DVD player yet or decided which format you will be supporting?

kristie911
03-17-2007, 06:03 PM
I refuse to buy either one until I absolutely have to...I still like my VHS tapes and the few DVD's I actually have bought. I'm not getting sucked into a new format...besides, I don't have a hi-def TV so what's the point?

robeiae
03-17-2007, 06:49 PM
Sony is behind blu-ray, no? It's doomed to failure.

Bravo
03-17-2007, 07:02 PM
Sony is behind blu-ray, no? It's doomed to failure.

that pretty much sums it up.

but im still going to wait till i absolutely need to get it as well.

this change seems too soon.

ChaosTitan
03-17-2007, 07:20 PM
What the heck is blu-ray?

maestrowork
03-17-2007, 07:36 PM
I voted for HD-DVD because that's what I have and Microsoft is behind it, but I think Blu-Ray may be winning out.

But I agree, I hate Sony's proprietary crap. So I am kind of boycotting Blu-Ray.


But why not both? There are players that play both formats now, and they're not that expensive.

Duncan J Macdonald
03-17-2007, 07:38 PM
Sony is behind blu-ray, no? It's doomed to failure.More to the point, the Adult Film Industry is already backing HD-DVD.

robeiae
03-17-2007, 07:39 PM
I voted for HD-DVD because that's what I have and Microsoft is behind it, but I think Blu-Ray may be winning out.
Betamax looked like it was winning in the beginning, too...;)

Duncan J Macdonald
03-17-2007, 07:44 PM
But why not both? There are players that play both formats now, and they're not that expensive.There's only one that I'm aware of, and that one is a Blu-Ray player with added HD capability, but not the full suite of HD add-ons. Also, last time I looked, $1200.00 was out of the "not that expensive" category on the high side.

It is actually cheaper to hunt the sales and on-line price breaks and buy individual machines than to buy the LG unit.

maestrowork
03-17-2007, 07:45 PM
True... but I can't believe Casino Royale wasn't released on HD-DVD, only on Blu-Ray! Bastard.

Blu-Ray is now selling 2:1 to HD-DVD; so unless they start pumping out more goodies and people start buying, Sony is having an upper hand.

Shadow_Ferret
03-17-2007, 07:47 PM
I just joined the DVD generation a few years ago when we bought my son an X-Box (first generation). You've got to be joking if you think I'm going to running out to make a format decision like this. I'll wait until the dust clears, like I did with the VHS/Beta wars.

maestrowork
03-17-2007, 07:52 PM
The HD-DVD add-on for the X-Box is only $150 (you can probably find it on eBay for $120 or less). Not a bad thing to have.

ChaosTitan
03-17-2007, 08:03 PM
Am I the only person who just buys regular DVD's? :(

I can't afford all of this add-on, HD nonsense.

Duncan J Macdonald
03-17-2007, 08:45 PM
True... but I can't believe Casino Royale wasn't released on HD-DVD, only on Blu-Ray! Bastard.

Blu-Ray is now selling 2:1 to HD-DVD; so unless they start pumping out more goodies and people start buying, Sony is having an upper hand.Latest Studio Breakdown: (frm Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Blu-ray_Disc_.2F_HD_DVD_comparison), so therefore suspect)

Currently, five Hollywood studios exclusively support Blu-ray Disc: Columbia Pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Pictures), MGM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM), Disney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney), Lionsgate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionsgate) and 20th Century Fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Fox) (Columbia Pictures and MGM are owned by Sony Pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures)). Four Hollywood studios support both Blu-ray and HD DVD: Paramount Pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Pictures), DreamWorks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks), Warner Bros. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros.) and New Line Cinema (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Line_Cinema) (the former two are owned by Viacom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom), and the latter two by Time Warner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner)). Two Hollywood studios exclusively support HD DVD: Universal Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios) and the Weinstein Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weinstein_Company).

dclary
03-17-2007, 09:00 PM
Yawn. Betamax/VHS anyone? 8-track or cassette? Pepsi or Coke?

MattW
03-17-2007, 09:11 PM
How long before physical formats are obsolete? 5 years? 10 years is too pessimistic...

I'll take HD digital download before any otheer format.

maestrowork
03-17-2007, 09:30 PM
You still need formats, even if you download. Someone still have to standardize -- is it going to be Quicktime or MP4 or WMV?


Actually the digital download formats are more confusing. People just want to stick something into a slot and watch.


:)

PeeDee
03-17-2007, 09:40 PM
Matt's about nailed it for me. I very rarely buy anything on any disc-type anymore. I download almost everything, whether it's TV shows or movies. I either hook my TV up to my computer with a shiny S-video cable, or I put the file on my Ipod and use the cable that connects THAT to the TV and watch like that.

But if I had to pick, I'd go blu-Ray, because I don't care but I can use it with a PS3.

The odds of me spending $400-$1200 on a player so I can watch Taladega Nights in more betterer picture are pretty damn slim, sorry.

Bmwhtly
03-17-2007, 11:32 PM
I'm happy with DVD's for now.

Seems to me like there's not much point going for either of the new formats without an HD TV.


But if you gotta pick one it may be worth mentioning that, as far as I know, HD-DVD players will play DVDs. Blu-Ray players Blu-Rayers won't.

Although the PS3 (The games console) can play Blu-Ray but not DVD. I don't like consoles, so that's a no-brainer: neither.

MidnightMuse
03-18-2007, 03:24 AM
Am I the only person who just buys regular DVD's? :(

I can't afford all of this add-on, HD nonsense.

I'm with ya ! I don't bother with HD tv, so I ain't gonna jump for HD DVDs. Regular is perfectly clear, how much more clear does clear have to be? :Shrug:I just don't get the fuss (or expense!) And one satellite dish nailed to my fence is enough, thanks.

Regular, boring DVDs are just fine, thank you very much.

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 03:48 AM
Regular DVDs are perfectly fine. HD DVDs only matter when you have a large screen HD TV. Then the difference is stunning. I have both the regular and HD versions of The Thing and wow. Of course, if you have never seen an HD image before, you wouldn't know what you are missing anyway. HD DVDs will be wasted on a regular non-HD TV.

I didn't know what I was missing until I started watching HD programs (nature programs and sports are awesome). Then I was like, who wants to watch fussy TV anymore?

I don't think it really matters so much until every TV and all the shows are in HD, so when suddenly regular DVDs look so bad compared to a broadcast of The Office on your 50" HD TV, you would want to upgrade.

Until then....

Elincoln
03-18-2007, 03:56 AM
Funny how our house will have the latest in computers, but when it comes to TV and entertainment...we're still in the dark ages.

We only have basic cable for crying out loud! And the only reason we can watch DVDs on our TV is because we use my PS2 (which is annoying when my 3yr old wants her 'shows' and I want to play my games).

So I don't think we'll have to worry about HD or Blu-ray.

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:12 AM
We have a 27" LCD TV which is HD-ready. No big whoop. I bought some nice Component cables for it for my DVDs, the difference wasn't amazing,and I didn't care. How much sharper do I REALLY need to see Borat naked?

And then....we got Discovery HD.

My god. It's worth it just for that....!

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 04:18 AM
Oh yeah, Discovery HD was what sold me on HD, too.

When you can see every blade of the grass, and every scale on that alligator, or every feather on that bird... it's like "I was blind and now I can see."

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:20 AM
I know...! And the shows with bodies of water in them. We got HD and I had things like HBO and Fox in high-definition and thought that was okay. Sharper Hugh Laurie. But DiscoveryHD is where I get a lot of my deep sea specials, and I just adore it.

(which is not to say there's anything wrong with Hugh Laurie in 1020p, no sir)

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 04:23 AM
Back in the days (about 3 years ago, when I started to get HD), I didn't even know network TV was broadcast in HD. I just happened to catch ER on HD and it was incredible. I hadn't even notice how "fussy" it had been until I watched that episode.

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:23 AM
Actually, that brings me to an interesting point: Whichever format, HD-DVD or bluRay started to release documentary specials, either through DIscovery or National Geographic or what have you, that would probably be the format more inclined to win me over. I can think of a lot of things where I'd like the super-duper-high-quality picture, and mostly it isn't movies.

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 04:26 AM
Star Wars on HD was pretty good.

I know not everyone will jump on the bandwagon and most people should wait until the format war settles (will it ever?) But don't say never. The same people who said, just a few years ago, that VHS tapes were good enough for them were all watching DVDs now. In a few more years, they would all be switching to HD.

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:31 AM
Sure, and I know I will be. I just have no active reason to. ANd I think part of the reason the change will be slow for a little while is, it's still in fairly recent history that we switched to DVD as a mainstream device.

But, like DVDs, the players have to grow more stable (because right now they are, frankly, pants) and they have to start to come down in price.

This may not be anything like the VHS/Betamax war, though. There will be (and already are) combo players that can do both bluRay and HD-DVD, and those will get cheaper too. It's a format war, but it's one that could end with both formats existing side-by-side. Wouldn't hugely surprise me. It'd be like the Apple VS. Windows war. Well....you can use either one on either machine now.

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 04:40 AM
I think something like the HD add-on to X-Box for $120 would help move the HD formats along. Those will be the people who tell all their friends, "Hey come over and watch The Thing on HD!" and when their friends go "Wow!" they will tell their friends and family about it....

I think once they start getting out machines that play all formats, it doesn't matter at all. Sony can have their own, and Panasonic can have theirs. And studios can do whatever they want.

Granted, Blu-Ray does carry more data (50 GB instead of HD-DVD's 30) -- so maybe the decision point will be in the digital storage market. That is, until HD comes up with their 50GB discs, and prices are comparable.

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:44 AM
This is probably wandering off from the DVD discussion a bit, but XBox better come up with their 50GB disc shortly, because the 360 games are already starting to run the discs close to max capacity.

maestrowork
03-18-2007, 04:49 AM
This is crazy... Just a few years ago a single layer DVD was like the premium. 4 GB? Wow! And now we're not happy with 30GB discs because they won't hold our games. It's just crazy.

A few years ago a friend and I had a debate. He said HD TV will never fly because it was too expensive, etc. Now you go to Best Buy and all they sell are HD flat panels for $1999! Time has changed.

PeeDee
03-18-2007, 04:55 AM
It's either the crusty luddite in me, or I'm getting old, or something, but the speed at which things change alarms me a bit. In the past hundred years, things have accelerated like nothing else.

(but before I sound like I'm decrying modern technology...Discovery HD! PS3 games like Lair! I'm a happy camper. Just with misgivings.)

BottomlessCup
03-19-2007, 11:03 PM
I have players for both. (PS3 and Xbox with the add-on)

HD-DVD looks much better, IMO. I have no idea why, but Blu-ray's image is very, very noisy. HD-DVD is crisp.

Bluray is selling more discs because the PS3 has the built in player. Since there's only a handful of games for it, people are justifying the $600 purchase with Bluray discs. (At least I am.) (But it's difficult since the studios are doing the same thing they did with VHS at first - releasing their worst crap first, hoping that the dearth of titles helps sell crappy movies.)

Sony did something curious with the built-in player, though: it has no 720p codec. (720p being the kind of HD television most people have.) The PS3 will only play BR discs in 480p, 1080i, or 1080p. You can set it to 720p in the controls, but it just down-converts to 480p. PS3 games will play in 720p

Sony admits the lack of a 720p mode, but won't say why. It's seems like a pretty big error to be made accidently. But why would they do it? To protect the stand-alone player market? That's silly - if you're willing to buy a $1000 player just for 720p mode, you'll buy a 1080 TV instead. (ETA: then again, Sony sells TVs too, eh?)



Sony's quite locked into Blu-ray and Microsoft is locked into HD-DVD, so I don't see either of them going anywhere soon. Combo players will come down in price and there'll be both discs on the market.

PeeDee
03-19-2007, 11:16 PM
Sony has a lot of weird problems, like that one, that they won't explain away. Sony has behaved very strangely with the PS3.

For example, the PS3 is open-system, whereas they keep spending more and more money to keep people from modifying or doing anything at all to the PSP.

Ashtal
03-20-2007, 01:24 AM
While I'm technically waiting, my preference is for the HD DVD, because we already own an Xbox 360 and it would be simpler for us to buy the add-on then to get yet another component.

I understand that Disney is Blu-Ray only. That might sway a lot of families that way.

maestrowork
03-20-2007, 03:01 AM
I understand that Disney is Blu-Ray only. That might sway a lot of families that way.

That's a shame. Finding Nemo on HD would be totally awesome. Then again, the kiddies don't really care.