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dclary
03-07-2007, 09:48 PM
Go see it.

I did.

IT ROCKED!

TsukiRyoko
03-07-2007, 09:55 PM
I've been wanting to see it, but my pocket is drier than the Mojave Desert.

dclary
03-07-2007, 09:58 PM
I went to a free screening at the chinese last night. I'll see it again this weekend on the IMAX!

TsukiRyoko
03-07-2007, 10:02 PM
I went to a free screening at the chinese last night. I'll see it again this weekend on the IMAX!
Who'd you have to sleep with this time for it? :roll:

giftedrhonda
03-07-2007, 10:10 PM
I SOOOOOO can't wait to see it!!!

dclary
03-07-2007, 10:11 PM
Who'd you have to sleep with this time for it? :roll:

The editorial staff of Men's Health. :(

maestrowork
03-07-2007, 10:13 PM
But was he cute?

SC Harrison
03-07-2007, 10:16 PM
I went to a free screening at the chinese last night. I'll see it again this weekend on the IMAX!

I'm all over this movie. Have you been watching Rome on HBO?

maestrowork
03-07-2007, 10:23 PM
I'm skeptical about all CG movies (after the disappointment that was Sky Captain). And historical battle doesn't a story make (a la Troy). But I will see it, and if it's good I will talk about it. Otherwise, I will trash it like I did to Troy.

TsukiRyoko
03-07-2007, 10:34 PM
The editorial staff of Men's Health. :(
Jim again? Jeez....

dclary
03-07-2007, 11:50 PM
I'm all over this movie. Have you been watching Rome on HBO?

No. I don't watch HBO serieses.

dclary
03-07-2007, 11:51 PM
I'm skeptical about all CG movies (after the disappointment that was Sky Captain). And historical battle doesn't a story make (a la Troy). But I will see it, and if it's good I will talk about it. Otherwise, I will trash it like I did to Troy.

Sky Captain sucked. Troy's CGI looked like nothing more than a REALLY good, really LONG cut-scene from any generic Age of Empires-style game.

Stew21
03-08-2007, 12:09 AM
what the hell is 300? I've never heard of this movie.

LloydBrown
03-08-2007, 12:10 AM
I plan to. I told my wife I was going to see it with or without her.

maestrowork
03-08-2007, 12:11 AM
It's about the Spartans. 300 vs. 100,000 or something like that. Actually the History channel is going to have a special on that history -- good promotion for the movie.

dclary
03-08-2007, 12:15 AM
what the hell is 300? I've never heard of this movie.

This is a movie that nearly shot-for-shot reproduces frank miller's graphic novel 300 -- which is about the battle of Thermopylae (forgive the spelling, it's all Greek to me) -- where 300 Spartans held off the entire army of Persian emperor Xerxes long enough to allow the rest of the Greek city-states to form up an army large enough to stop him.

Many of the best lines of the movie hail all the way back to the original greek epic poem about the event.

Persian:
"Our arrows are so many they will blot out the sun."

Spartan:
"Then we shall fight in the shade."

PattiTheWicked
03-08-2007, 12:17 AM
Can't wait to see it!!

Stew21
03-08-2007, 12:18 AM
I just googled and looked around the site, and once I saw a photo I remembered seeing a preview for it. I like this kind of movie. I'm all over it (as soon as I can rent it and watch it at home - like I do every movie, I haven't gotten to a theater in a very long time.)

aadams73
03-08-2007, 12:21 AM
I can't wait to see this! Poor King Leonidas. He shouldn't have listened to that oracle :D

Thermopylae is a lovely spot. There's a huge statue of King Leonidas there.

roach
03-08-2007, 01:01 AM
A friend and I will be dragging our spouses with us on Friday to see it. I haven't been the psyched for a movie for a while!

SC Harrison
03-08-2007, 01:05 AM
No. I don't watch HBO serieses.

Duuuude. Rome and Deadwood. Trust me on this.

dclary
03-08-2007, 01:21 AM
Nope. I enjoy cuss-free tv.

ChaosTitan
03-08-2007, 02:29 AM
Duuuude. Rome and Deadwood. Trust me on this.

One word: Oz.

'Nuff said.



And forget the CGI, I'm going to see "300" for Gerard Butler's abs. :D

MattW
03-08-2007, 02:31 AM
Going to see it with a buddy on Sat. My wife isn't all too keen if Hugh Grant or Julia Roberts aren't in it.

Perks
03-08-2007, 02:31 AM
I'm looking forward to this too, but I hate that it's even tenuously related to Sin City. I hated that movie so much, I'm still angry about it almost two years later.

MattW
03-08-2007, 02:33 AM
I'm tempted to go see IMAX, but I'd have to trek into NYC. That's too much trouble if I'm not going for another reason.

WerenCole
03-08-2007, 02:47 AM
Looking forward to it. . . . On DVD. (Or perhaps when it hits the $2.00 movie theather.)

maestrowork
03-08-2007, 03:33 AM
If you like scantily-clad muscles with abs in blood baths, it's definitely a movie for you. It's the ultimate gay porn for straight guys. Oh, and the girls get Gerard Butler.

If you like Frank Miller, you will probably dig this one. The CGs look good, giving it a real graphic novel feel. But I kind of like my epic historical look real, not graphic novel. This may look really good on IMAX, though.

Akuma
03-08-2007, 03:35 AM
God, I can't wait for this movie. It's going to kick so much ass.

benbradley
03-08-2007, 04:25 AM
Go see it.

I did.

IT ROCKED!
This is a movie? Am I ever behind the times. I though 300 was that Chrysler bling machine.

Mr. Fix
03-08-2007, 04:45 AM
The artwork in Frank Miller's graphic novel were strangley intriguing, I hope the movies CG copy that feel of 'otherworldly' quality. the legend of King Leonidis and his '300' personal guards is that the Spartans were not allowed to meet the invading Persian Army on the battlefield due to a Greek holiday. So King Leonidis took a 'stroll' accompanied by his 300 personal guards. At 'Hell's Gate' these 300 held off the the entire Persian Army for several days, until they were finally overwhelmed by the over 100,000 combined soldiers of Greater Persia. Demoralized after a costly battle against King Leonidis, Emperor Xerxes of Persia now had to face the united forces of Greece, including 10,000 very angry Spartans.

This is a classic tale of individual sacrifice, as King Leonidis knew he would never defeat King Xerxes' forces. King Leonidis also knew this 'defeat' would unite Greece against the Persians, where they (Greece) had once been considering the 'Why do they hate us? So, let's just be nice to them and maybe they'll leave us alone' option.

maestrowork
03-08-2007, 04:56 AM
I'm not saying anybody has done it, but please watch "SPOILER" stuff for those who haven't seen it. :)

Perks
03-08-2007, 05:06 AM
Oh, and the girls get Gerard Butler.


Which is ever so much better than a poke in the eye.

dclary
03-08-2007, 05:06 AM
Um... that's like complaining if someone gives away the ending of "The Passion" Maestro. The story's older than dirt. If it's a spoiler, that person deserved to be spoiled.

Akuma
03-08-2007, 05:32 AM
Um... that's like complaining if someone gives away the ending of "The Passion" Maestro. The story's older than dirt. If it's a spoiler, that person deserved to be spoiled.

Yeah, but it looks like '300' isn't (obviously) going to be dead-set accurate.

I mean, in the trailer you see a fat guy with blades for hands. I'm no historian but that does seem a bit out of place.
What's that about, anyways?

dclary
03-08-2007, 05:51 AM
without being spoilerific... that's an executioner. He has two swords shaped like lobster claws that he's wielding.

Akuma
03-08-2007, 05:54 AM
without being spoilerific... that's an executioner. He has two swords shaped like lobster claws that he's wielding.

Ah, ok, thanks for the spoiler-sensitive explanation.

Still. It's weird.

dclary
03-08-2007, 05:58 AM
An interesting perspective... A Texan's look at Thermopylae.

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~sparta/topics/essays/academic/alamo.htm

dclary
03-08-2007, 05:59 AM
Ah, ok, thanks for the spoiler-sensitive explanation.

Still. It's weird.

There's also a hunchback and a rhinocerous.

kristin724
03-08-2007, 06:39 AM
I'm hoping to see this at the Imax near Atlantic City this weekend with my Jason. It's the kind of movie we both like, but I fear he won't want to see if if he sees the cast listing on the imdb. I first discovered this project because my favorite character in LOTR is Faramir and David Wenham is in 300.

Of course, he isn't in any of the preview and it still looks awesome!

LloydBrown
03-08-2007, 06:48 AM
Here's an entirely accurate summary of the actual events told in a very fluid style: http://www.amazingben.com/arf0072.html

It brings a tear to my eye every time I go back and re-read it.

Akuma
03-08-2007, 06:51 AM
Meh, feeling bored.


http://leonidasaddressescongress.ytmnd.com/

limitedtimeauthor
03-08-2007, 10:27 AM
Going to see it with a buddy on Sat. My wife isn't all too keen if Hugh Grant or Julia Roberts aren't in it.Well tell her I can completely understand that! ;)

ltd.

Bartholomew
03-08-2007, 11:32 AM
I've been wanting to see it, but my pocket is drier than the Mojave Desert.

I'll take you. :D

dpaterso
03-08-2007, 11:42 AM
Too bad the title The 300 Spartans (http://imdb.com/title/tt0055719/) was already used (and used well, great film) 'cause "300" sucks. As a movie title.

And Troy (http://imdb.com/title/tt0332452/) rocked. "Boagriuuuuuuuus!"

-Derek

Excelsior
03-08-2007, 12:27 PM
Here's a question - "300" or "Gates of Fire"? Anyone read both of them? I'm interested in hearing what people thought about them.

maestrowork
03-08-2007, 06:39 PM
Too bad the title The 300 Spartans (http://imdb.com/title/tt0055719/) was already used (and used well, great film) 'cause "300" sucks. As a movie title.

And Troy (http://imdb.com/title/tt0332452/) rocked. "Boagriuuuuuuuus!"

-Derek

I disagree on both counts. But don't mind me.

TsukiRyoko
03-08-2007, 06:47 PM
I'll take you. :D
Now my main concern is whether or not I'll actually get to watch the movie :D

Memnon624
03-08-2007, 07:14 PM
Here's a question - "300" or "Gates of Fire"? Anyone read both of them? I'm interested in hearing what people thought about them.

I've read both and even though they cover the same subject, they are as different as any two works could be. 300 deals with the basics behind the story of Thermopylae: there were Greeks who fought Persians in a small pass in northern Greece. That's about it for historical accuracy. Miller chose to ignore the 700 men of Thespiae who died with the Spartans on the last day of the battle; his Spartans fight like the warriors in the vase paintings -- naked but for their helmet, a shield, and their cloaks. His Persian King Xerxes is a kid who loves the facial piercings (rather than the man of 40-50 that he was in reality). Plus there are war elephants, rhinos, and some pretty monstrous 'bosses' (for lack of a better word). Still, Miller's a good artist and tells the heart of the story in a vivid fashion.

Pressfield's Gates of Fire sticks more to history than 300. His book, told through the eyes of a Spartan battle squire, follows the lives of several of the men who would ultimately die at Thermopylae. Pressfield delves into their training, calling on his own stint in the Marines to fill in the blanks, and their mindset. He doesn't stint the Spartans' allies at the battle; his Spartans fight as they should: as hoplites, heavily armored infantry. Xerxes is the man glimpsed in the pages of Herodotus (our primary source for the battle). There are no elephants, rhinos, chariots, war machines, or bosses. I count the book as one of my all-time favorites, and an almost flawless example of what good historical fiction should be.

300 = historical fantasy; Gates of Fire = historical fiction. Both are good, but for different reasons.


Scott

TheGaffer
03-09-2007, 12:51 AM
Go see it.

I did.

IT ROCKED!


cool. I'm totally up for this.

Bravo
03-09-2007, 12:55 AM
"Fills a much-needed gap between gay porn and recruitment film."

http://www.deep-focus.com/dfweblog/2007/03/300_2007.html


best. review. ever.

Akuma
03-11-2007, 03:58 AM
. . .300 was friggin' awesome.

Seriously, I had several testosterone orgasms throughout the movie.


I think several women in the audience grew beards, too.

maestrowork
03-11-2007, 04:04 AM
"Fills a much-needed gap between gay porn and recruitment film."

http://www.deep-focus.com/dfweblog/2007/03/300_2007.html


best. review. ever.


And they didn't even mention anything gay, with all those loincloths and ripped abs! It's the ancient Greeks, for cryin' loud.

dclary
03-11-2007, 07:58 AM
In 300 Leonidas mentions that some of the other city-states are into that kind of thing... not that there's anything wrong with it...

Shadow_Ferret
03-11-2007, 08:03 AM
I can't even stand the commercials. Looks like a friggin ad for a computer game. Too cartoonish CGI for me.

dclary
03-11-2007, 08:27 AM
That would be because the entire movie was filmed on three green-screen stages, Ferret. *Everything* that isn't a Spartan or something he's holding or wearing is CGI.

Bravo
03-11-2007, 08:31 AM
i just read the graphic novel today.

pretty damn cool.

ill check this out maybe tomm.

youll await my verdict, dclary.

kristin724
03-11-2007, 09:33 AM
Saw it this afternoon. Not in the Imax, but it was tough enough to find a regular theater locally that it was playing in, oddly enough. I thouth the narration was over the top but all in good fun. It rocked.

dclary
03-11-2007, 09:46 AM
i just read the graphic novel today.

pretty damn cool.

ill check this out maybe tomm.

youll await my verdict, dclary.

Yes. I will.

maestrowork
03-11-2007, 09:57 AM
I saw it. It was fun, and the CGI was rather cool. But honestly, by the second half, I was bored. I could probably summarize the whole plot in 5 sentences or fewer. I think it was too story-book (the narration is over the top) to let me really get into it. Don't get me wrong, I think the visuals are stunning, but after you've seen Lord of the Rings, it's kind of hard to be impressed these days. All the body counts, blood and dismemberment, it definitely has a video game feel to it; with all that and some skin, definitely a teenage boy's wet dream come true.

I give it a 7.

dpaterso
03-11-2007, 12:20 PM
I can't even stand the commercials. Looks like a friggin ad for a computer game. Too cartoonish CGI for me.
That's pretty much my feeling too. I'm a big fan of the genre but nothing's drawing me to this film, dammit. And I know it's just plain unreasonable to judge anything from just a few snarled snippets in the TV ad, but the dialogue sounds hammy and overfamiliar.

I wish someone who's seen the movie would say something more than "Oh yeah, it looks like a computer game but that's OK" and "nearly-naked men in loin cloths" -- these are not "must-see" attributes.

-Derek

robeiae
03-11-2007, 02:54 PM
And they didn't even mention anything gay, with all those loincloths and ripped abs! It's the ancient Greeks, for cryin' loud.


In 300 Leonidas mentions that some of the other city-states are into that kind of thing... not that there's anything wrong with it...
The Spartans promoted homosexuality in their troops--thought it made them fight harder. And women (along with other 'pleasures') weren't allowed in the barracks. It's the SPARTANs, for gosh sakes...

LloydBrown
03-11-2007, 07:44 PM
The wife and I saw it yesterday, and then I explained the real events (she's not much of an historian).

Clearly it was intended to be graphically-intensive and story-light. I saw several shots that would make awesome stills and obviously must have been taken from an existing image. It was worth a trip to the movies, though.

William Haskins
03-11-2007, 08:29 PM
What's your favourite movie?

Someday soon, you may ask a new acquaintance that question, and just maybe -- because it takes all kinds -- your new friend will reply, "My favourite movie is 300."

If this happens, back away slowly. Your new friend probably kills cats for fun. Worse -- your new friend may be George W. Bush. Director Zack Snyder's new dramatization of the epic Spartan stand at Thermopylae will probably go down real well at the White House, and wherever disturbed young people massacre hundreds in violent video games. Others should exercise discretion.


http://www.alternet.org/movies/49029/

ChunkyC
03-11-2007, 09:22 PM
I liked it, and reviewed it for this week's column. Definitely gory, but it's about hand to hand combat with spears and swords. It is a bit of a 'fantasy' take on the story, but keep in mind it's based on Frank Miller's graphic novel. That right there says he's taken liberties with the historical facts. But the story itself, of a vastly outnumbered group of men defending their homeland against a powerful invader, is compelling and heroic. Nothing wrong with that.

And yes, it's a testosterone overdose.

maestrowork
03-11-2007, 09:26 PM
Some interesting stats:

The theaters were PACKED -- all the film's showings were sold out.

Average age of audience: 20
% of Male audience: 95%

The people sitting around me were no more than 19 years old, I believe. All guys, of course. Didn't think they liked to kill cats for fun, but certainly fans of blood-lusting video games.

Bmwhtly
03-11-2007, 10:03 PM
It's not out here yet.
The trailer looks good.
In fact it looks like Lord of the Rings and Gladiator had Kids.

And the Kids were raised by Zulu.

aadams73
03-12-2007, 01:02 AM
We saw it this afternoon and loved it! The graphics were amazing, but after a minute or two you don't think about it. It was interesting and fast paced all the way through, never giving you time to get bored. I loved that they chose characters actors rather than big Hollywood names. King Leonidas' wife was gorgeous, but refreshingly not some hollywood bimbo actress with big plastic boobs. Whathisname who played Xerxis was unrecognizable from his roles in Lost and Love Actually. And instead of the battle scenes being big dogpiles where you're unable to separate the players, everything was easy to follow. It has been ages since we've been this satisfied with a movie we've paid for.

(Plus loads of eye candy for us girls and gays.)

kristin724
03-12-2007, 01:17 AM
I think it could win a lot of technical awards, but yes they did choose the action and beefcake over some more seriousness of the battle. AT first I Thought it would be tough to make the film 2 hours, and I couldn't imagine a longer director's cut.

The more I've thought about it however, I would like to have seen a montage of some Spartans leaving their families. Leonidas made it a point to choose only soldiers who had fathered sons. It would have been nice to see them all making sacrifices, not just Big Leo.

Oh that narration reminds me of Conan The Barbarian really. They needed more of the serious silent looks. Ohmigod! Show don't tell! :0)

dpaterso
03-12-2007, 02:33 AM
We saw it this afternoon and loved it! The graphics were amazing, but after a minute or two you don't think about it. It was interesting and fast paced all the way through, never giving you time to get bored. I loved that they chose characters actors rather than big Hollywood names. King Leonidas' wife was gorgeous, but refreshingly not some hollywood bimbo actress with big plastic boobs. Whathisname who played Xerxis was unrecognizable from his roles in Lost and Love Actually. And instead of the battle scenes being big dogpiles where you're unable to separate the players, everything was easy to follow. It has been ages since we've been this satisfied with a movie we've paid for.
Well heck, that sounds much better! :)


(Plus loads of eye candy for us girls and gays.)
:e2smack: D'oh! You were doing so well! :D

-Derek

aadams73
03-12-2007, 02:50 AM
:e2smack: D'oh! You were doing so well! :D

-Derek

There's a sprinkling of female boobage(with nipple!) for you straight lads and lesbians, too :D

dpaterso
03-12-2007, 03:26 AM
There's a sprinkling of female boobage(with nipple!) for you straight lads and lesbians, too :D
Mmm, lesbians! OK I'm sold.

-Derek

kristin724
03-12-2007, 08:32 AM
Dudes! Remember I said I wrote a review of 300? I submitted it to my old friend Leva at Firefox News. She liked the counterpoint and accepted for a whopping $10 bucks. Yay my hefty paypal account!

So, she emails after its posted to say that I broke the site record for hits in an hour! 1600, then 2500! My review got picked up by Google News!

IT's kind of silly, but writing vindication in 1500 words, who knew beefcake could do that?!

Even my parents are excited-and that never happens! Awesome!

maestrowork
03-12-2007, 10:11 AM
Well, I hope my review will garner that kind of response. ;) You know, there are a lot of fan boys and girls out there, so it's a possibility.

Leva
03-12-2007, 05:12 PM
All of Firefox News's articles are picked up by Google News, but Kristin's ended up on the front page of Google News.

Kristin, last I checked, it was over 7,000 views for the article since 9PM last night. I'll give you the total tonight.

ChunkyC
03-12-2007, 07:19 PM
IT's kind of silly, but writing vindication in 1500 words, who knew beefcake could do that?!
You get 1500 words? I'm jealous, my column is limited to 500.

Congrats on all the hits!

Shadow_Ferret
03-12-2007, 07:48 PM
That would be because the entire movie was filmed on three green-screen stages, Ferret. *Everything* that isn't a Spartan or something he's holding or wearing is CGI.

I know. Which is why I'm not going to bother seeing it.

What makes some of the classic historical movies great was the scenic vistas, grandeous landscapes. Oh, occassionally they'd use matt paintings, but on the whole it was real. Not a comic book.

dclary
03-12-2007, 08:08 PM
I keep trying to point this out, in the hopes that some true film historian will validate it for me, but Braveheart should earn (in addition to its other awards) a special citation for being the last large-scale battle movie that used no CGI to augment its scale.

LloydBrown
03-12-2007, 08:33 PM
All this time, I never realized that the Persian Immortals were samurai. Were niten and mempo standard equipment?

I thought they were upgraded Swordsmen that could take over the ancient world if you could just find some stupid iron.

Sheryl Nantus
03-12-2007, 08:48 PM
I keep trying to point this out, in the hopes that some true film historian will validate it for me, but Braveheart should earn (in addition to its other awards) a special citation for being the last large-scale battle movie that used no CGI to augment its scale.

it does make me sad that from now on, the idea of using REAL people for any sort of large-scale scenes are going to be rare.

I appreciate the work that goes into setting up hundreds of people for a single shot - but a few lines of computer programming ain't going to get the same respect from me, sorry.

oh, and Lloyd? I saw in a review somewhere that "since they had no idea how the battles were fought at that time" they "improvised" on the martial arts.

it is to weep.

Shadow_Ferret
03-12-2007, 08:48 PM
All this time, I never realized that the Persian Immortals were samurai. Were niten and mempo standard equipment?

I thought they were upgraded Swordsmen that could take over the ancient world if you could just find some stupid iron.
The history channel had a show on this a few days ago. They said that the Persian Immortals were armed with wicker shields and short spears. Hardly much protection against the superior armed Spartans.

Foinah
03-12-2007, 08:56 PM
I keep trying to point this out, in the hopes that some true film historian will validate it for me, but Braveheart should earn (in addition to its other awards) a special citation for being the last large-scale battle movie that used no CGI to augment its scale.

and a bit of revisionist history....

LloydBrown
03-12-2007, 09:12 PM
Yeah, I was being sarcasmic. :D

Leva
03-12-2007, 10:06 PM
And ... the traffic crashed the site. I'm impressed -- I designed that site with surge capacity in mind. It has its own server and a CMS that is designed for high capacity sites.


Leva


All of Firefox News's articles are picked up by Google News, but Kristin's ended up on the front page of Google News.

Kristin, last I checked, it was over 7,000 views for the article since 9PM last night. I'll give you the total tonight.

ChunkyC
03-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Sorry, it was me. :D



ETA: got in and read it. Great review, Kristin. :)

kristin724
03-13-2007, 04:55 AM
Thanks guys! I did see a few of those voweless negative comments but hey. I'll take a few naysayers for that kind of coverage. Now if only my book press releases would get picked up like that!

Tonight I was by myself at the mall, and I was extremely tempted to go see 300 again. Just for the guilty pleasure! Of course, I do think there is something kind of creepy about watching 300 alone.

And Ha! I just saw a Stanley Cup/300 crossover commercial on Versus during the hockey game. Cool.

William Haskins
03-13-2007, 08:52 PM
Iranian official lashes out at Hollywood movie "300" for insulting Persian civilization
An Iran (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/iran.html)ian official on Sunday lashed out at the Hollywood movie "300" for insulting the Persian civilization, local Fars News Agency reported.

Javad Shamqadri, an art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (http://english.people.com.cn/200508/03/eng20050803_200078.html), accused the new movie of being "part of a comprehensive U.S. psychological war aimed at Iranian culture", said the report.

Shamqadri was quoted as saying "following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture," adding "certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."

The movie's effort wound be fruitless, because "values in Iranian culture and the Islamic Revolution are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans", said the Iranin official.

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/12/eng20070312_356565.html

ChunkyC
03-13-2007, 09:03 PM
Good grief.

SpookyWriter
03-13-2007, 09:04 PM
grief -- that about sums it up...yep

dclary
03-13-2007, 10:36 PM
Iranian official lashes out at Hollywood movie "300" for insulting Persian civilization
An Iran (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/iran.html)ian official on Sunday lashed out at the Hollywood movie "300" for insulting the Persian civilization, local Fars News Agency reported.

Javad Shamqadri, an art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (http://english.people.com.cn/200508/03/eng20050803_200078.html), accused the new movie of being "part of a comprehensive U.S. psychological war aimed at Iranian culture", said the report.

Shamqadri was quoted as saying "following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture," adding "certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."

The movie's effort wound be fruitless, because "values in Iranian culture and the Islamic Revolution are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans", said the Iranin official.

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/12/eng20070312_356565.html


The Iranians are giving the US WAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. I'd wager good money the vast majority of American moviegoers had not a clue that Persia was even vaguely related to Iran.

maestrowork
03-14-2007, 12:50 AM
And what should we say about Gladiator? Boy, we sure hate western cultures...

dclary
03-14-2007, 01:02 AM
I just think it's hilarious that Iran is as mad at 300 as hardliner Jews were at The Passion. Neither one of those groups would be happy to know how similar they really are to each other on this.

Leva
03-14-2007, 03:33 AM
You would not lose.

"Leva" is my real first name and is a variant spelling of the Persian name Lua. I regularly run into people who ask me the origin of my name, and then clearly don't realize that Persia = Iran. Constantly.

Personally, I thought the movie was about as inaccurate with Greek history as it was with Persian history. Also, they didn't have any Persian actors playing Persian characters -- but they didn't have any Greeks playing Greek characters either. :Shrug:

This is not to say it wasn't offensive. Just that it was reasonably indiscriminate in its offensiveness.

Leva


The Iranians are giving the US WAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. I'd wager good money the vast majority of American moviegoers had not a clue that Persia was even vaguely related to Iran.

Leva
03-14-2007, 03:41 AM
Kristin, I've been involved in fandom for quite a long time. I cannot think of any movie that has generated this amount of debate and general nastiness ... ever. If anyone can, please remind me. I

I've disemvowelled more just plain obnoxious posts about 300 on FF news in the last few days than I have ... ever. (And my criteria for disemvowelling is a personal attack on the reviewer simply for the sake of being nasty.)

Leva


Thanks guys! I did see a few of those voweless negative comments but hey. I'll take a few naysayers for that kind of coverage. Now if only my book press releases would get picked up like that!

Tonight I was by myself at the mall, and I was extremely tempted to go see 300 again. Just for the guilty pleasure! Of course, I do think there is something kind of creepy about watching 300 alone.

And Ha! I just saw a Stanley Cup/300 crossover commercial on Versus during the hockey game. Cool.

dclary
03-14-2007, 03:43 AM
You would not lose.

"Leva" is my real first name and is a variant spelling of the Persian name Lua. I regularly run into people who ask me the origin of my name, and then clearly don't realize that Persia = Iran. Constantly.

Personally, I thought the movie was about as inaccurate with Greek history as it was with Persian history. Also, they didn't have any Persian actors playing Persian characters -- but they didn't have any Greeks playing Greek characters either. :Shrug:

This is not to say it wasn't offensive. Just that it was reasonably indiscriminate in its offensiveness.

Leva

LOL, very well said.

kristin724
03-15-2007, 05:12 AM
You know what cracks me up most? I've heard sequel talk. A Sequel to 300. How is that possible?

Its like the History of the World, Book 2! People will try and capitialize on anything!

Evaine
03-15-2007, 04:31 PM
They could go for the Battle of Salamis - that would be cool, all those triremes and stuff.

dpaterso
03-15-2007, 04:40 PM
You know what cracks me up most? I've heard sequel talk. A Sequel to 300. How is that possible?
Sons of the 300 Spartans - The Reckoning.

-Derek

Higgins
03-15-2007, 05:53 PM
You would not lose.

"Leva" is my real first name and is a variant spelling of the Persian name Lua. I regularly run into people who ask me the origin of my name, and then clearly don't realize that Persia = Iran. Constantly.

Personally, I thought the movie was about as inaccurate with Greek history as it was with Persian history. Also, they didn't have any Persian actors playing Persian characters -- but they didn't have any Greeks playing Greek characters either. :Shrug:

This is not to say it wasn't offensive. Just that it was reasonably indiscriminate in its offensiveness.

Leva

Among other errors being propagated by Spartan enthusiasts is the idea that the 300 stopped the Persians long enough for the Greeks to do something useful in 480 BC. Actually the Persians wiped out the 300 and went on and sacked Athens and only the Athenian Fleet actually stopped the Persians from getting to Sparta. The Persians were not defeated by the combined Greek armies until the next year (479) and even that was a very close battle.

And then of course, the Athenians and their Allies had to fight the Persians for the next 50 years until the Spartans got tired of being sidelined and spent 30 years destroying the Athenian Empire before removing themselves from the geopolitical landscape for good.

Higgins
03-15-2007, 05:55 PM
You know what cracks me up most? I've heard sequel talk. A Sequel to 300. How is that possible?

Its like the History of the World, Book 2! People will try and capitialize on anything!


Oh there's a lot. It's not like there has not been 2487 years of war and mayhem since then.

Higgins
03-15-2007, 05:59 PM
I just think it's hilarious that Iran is as mad at 300 as hardliner Jews were at The Passion. Neither one of those groups would be happy to know how similar they really are to each other on this.


Well, the Iranians may not be too happy to reflect on it, but the liberal policies of the Persians under Cyrus the Great as far as allowing subjugated peoples to return to their homes and rebuild their temples, is what allowed the Judean elite to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. So the Shades of the Judeans and Persians should be equally annoyed with crappy history films.

Higgins
03-15-2007, 07:23 PM
This is a movie that nearly shot-for-shot reproduces frank miller's graphic novel 300 -- which is about the battle of Thermopylae (forgive the spelling, it's all Greek to me) -- where 300 Spartans held off the entire army of Persian emperor Xerxes long enough to allow the rest of the Greek city-states to form up an army large enough to stop him.

Many of the best lines of the movie hail all the way back to the original greek epic poem about the event.

Persian:
"Our arrows are so many they will blot out the sun."

Spartan:
"Then we shall fight in the shade."

I think Herodotus Book VII is pretty much the only source for the story of the Spartans at Thermapylae in 480 BC.

And for a historian's look into the film:

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/190493

Sheryl Nantus
03-15-2007, 07:31 PM
I think Herodotus Book VII is pretty much the only source for the story of the Spartans at Thermapylae in 480 BC.

And for a historian's look into the film:

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/190493

ooh... excellent article!

(I wuv my hometown paper!)

:)

Higgins
03-15-2007, 07:39 PM
This is a movie that nearly shot-for-shot reproduces frank miller's graphic novel 300 -- which is about the battle of Thermopylae (forgive the spelling, it's all Greek to me) -- where 300 Spartans held off the entire army of Persian emperor Xerxes long enough to allow the rest of the Greek city-states to form up an army large enough to stop him.

Many of the best lines of the movie hail all the way back to the original greek epic poem about the event.

Persian:
"Our arrows are so many they will blot out the sun."

Spartan:
"Then we shall fight in the shade."

Apparently the Persians didn't say this about the arrows, but a "Trachinian Friend"...Medes are Persians of some sort.

Herodotus Book VII. 226
(from:
http://www.parstimes.com/history/herodotus/persian_wars/polymnia.html

)



[7.226] Thus nobly did the whole body of Lacedaemonians and Thespians behave; but nevertheless one man is said to have distinguished himself above all the rest, to wit, Dieneces the Spartan. A speech which he made before the Greeks engaged the Medes, remains on record. One of the Trachinians told him, "Such was the number of the barbarians, that when they shot forth their arrows the sun would be darkened by their multitude." Dieneces, not at all frightened at these words, but making light of the Median numbers, answered "Our Trachinian friend brings us excellent tidings. If the Medes darken the sun, we shall have our fight in the shade." Other sayings too of a like nature are reported to have been left on record by this same person.

louisgodwin
03-20-2007, 06:35 AM
Historically inaccurate, yes. But I didn't walk into the theater today to enlighten myself with a documentary on the battle of Thermopylae. I wanted blood and I got blood.

The movie fuckin' rocked.

I just wish someone could have written some better dialogue.

dpaterso
03-20-2007, 03:01 PM
I just wish someone could have written some better dialogue.
Hoo boy, me and clary would have fought naked to the death in the arena for a shot at this gig.

-Derek

dclary
03-20-2007, 10:01 PM
Hoo boy, me and clary would have fought naked to the death in the arena for a shot at this gig.

-Derek

You know it, baby!

dclary
03-20-2007, 10:04 PM
Sons of the 300 Spartans - The Reckoning.

-Derek


It ends with Billy the Spartan at 30 paces from Xerxes with a peacemaker, calling "Reap it, Xerxes, you son of a bitch!"


No if we can only exhume Jack to play Xerxes.

BiggerBoat
03-21-2007, 01:16 AM
I keep trying to point this out, in the hopes that some true film historian will validate it for me, but Braveheart should earn (in addition to its other awards) a special citation for being the last large-scale battle movie that used no CGI to augment its scale.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that Braveheart used computer wizardry to add troops to the long shots. They extended the number of troops by duplicating the extras. There was also CGI effects used for misc things like putting the spears into horses during the calvary charge.

Still, they did a great job considering they didn't have the LOTR animated armies stuff at their disposal.

dclary
03-21-2007, 02:22 AM
Actually, I'm fairly certain that Braveheart used computer wizardry to add troops to the long shots. They extended the number of troops by duplicating the extras. There was also CGI effects used for misc things like putting the spears into horses during the calvary charge.

Still, they did a great job considering they didn't have the LOTR animated armies stuff at their disposal.

The spears/horses was done with mechanical horses, not computer-generated ones. You're thinking of Mel's The Patriot -- which was the first film that really used CGI to increase troop strength, IIRC.

BiggerBoat
03-21-2007, 02:46 AM
The spears/horses was done with mechanical horses, not computer-generated ones. You're thinking of Mel's The Patriot -- which was the first film that really used CGI to increase troop strength, IIRC.

Perhaps. One Mel Gibson revenge-against-the-English movie looks much like another ;) ... I'll have to give my Braveheart DVD a spin one of these days, but I do remember the behind-the-scenes stuff with the troop duplication so that could get the mass of people arrayed on the hills (they had lots of extras, but not that many). By the time Patriot game around those guys were actually CGI characters.

BTW, 300 was pretty cool.

maestrowork
03-21-2007, 03:07 AM
It was the Patriot that Mel Gibson used CGI.

So, would the 300 sequel be called 301: Space Odyssey?

kristin724
03-21-2007, 04:42 AM
Sure there is history to fill a 300 sequel, but

a it wouldn't be a historical sequel, they would have to have some sort of Leo connection. Gerard must reappear they say!
b You can't do a movie like this more than once. They can't make their own movie look been there, done that.
c Why sequel 300 when there's more of Frank Miller. I'd rather see a trilogy of something else of his, but hey, I don't know what!

Although it would be neat if they went back and reshot the film for history, with better dialogue, oh Lord yes! Is it me or is there not a lot of it?

What's everyone think of Big Gerry remaking Escape from New York now? I'm amazed now the media is billing him as a superstar. People, please, remember Attila? Dracula 2000? Phantom of the Opera? Heck even Timeline. While not blockbuster stuff, at least admit the guy has been around for awhile as 'the next big thing' (of the moment. That's what they *don't* tell you!)


Wow, look at my aimless post in the midsts of all these scholars!

K

louisgodwin
03-21-2007, 09:51 PM
Why sequel 300 when there's more of Frank Miller. I'd rather see a trilogy of something else of his, but hey, I don't know what!



From what I've heard, they're filming Sin City 2 & 3 simultaneously like they did the Matrix and Pirates sequels.

Anonymisty
03-21-2007, 10:47 PM
What's everyone think of Big Gerry remaking Escape from New York now?

I'm of the mind that what's not broken doesn't need fixing. Kurt Russell is Snake Plissken to me, and I doubt a remake will change that.

robeiae
03-23-2007, 02:05 PM
Okay, finally saw it.

Good ******* flick.

oswann
03-23-2007, 07:48 PM
From what I've heard, they're filming Sin City 2 & 3 simultaneously like they did the Matrix and Pirates sequels.


I hope they bring them out at the same time too. That way I can ignore them on the same weekend and they will fade away at the same time. Time saved for all!

Os.

ChaosTitan
08-01-2007, 04:45 AM
DVD rentals are a wonderful thing.

Terrific film. I adored the look of it. As a fan of comics and graphic novels, I felt like I was reading along with the story. Very cool. It was definitely worth the wait. Love Gerard Butler, but my adoration of David Wenham shot way up after this one. Wow, what a voice.

But my biggest complaint about the DVD?

Special features: Feature commentary.

WTF? That's it???

kristin724
08-02-2007, 12:30 AM
Hey Chaos.

I jsut did a review of The Two disc Special Edition. So superior than the average release.

Here's the link to the DVD review and my original review from March

http://jsnouff.com/kristin/blog/index.php?s=300

ChaosTitan
08-02-2007, 02:05 AM
Thanks, Kristin! Since I've decided that I love the movie, I'll have to save up for that 2-disc set. Very cool!

Serenity
08-02-2007, 03:01 AM
*runs into the thread.

Ouch.

Just had to comment that Kristen's 300th post comes in a thread for the movie 300.

AND she's my new favorite person here 'cause of the Av.

Sean Bean :LilLove:

*runs out of the thread.

kristin724
08-02-2007, 03:29 AM
Hugss Serenity!

I noticed my 300 post to with a Spartan chuckle. I just changed my avatar, too! I still have to capture The Island, Troy, and Bravo Two Zero, but now I also want to make a neat 300 screensaver. Actually I got into 300 because of David Wenham-Faramir not Boromir!

But of course, I also have the urge to capture Homicide. I guess I like hairy men! Visit themightybean.com (think that's it) You'll like it!

Now, I haven't even gotten through all the 300 features yet!

maxmordon
08-02-2007, 07:08 AM
I could barely watch it, so cheesy dialogue, it was like an army of Ramboes fighting Fantasy villians in a cartoonish world

Shadow_Ferret
08-02-2007, 07:17 AM
I could barely watch it, so cheesy dialogue, it was like an army of Ramboes fighting Fantasy villians in a cartoonish world
That's been my impression every time I see the commercials for it. It all looks so FAKE.

I had it on my netflix que, but I guess too many other people ordered it, too, cuz I didn't get it.

Serenity
08-02-2007, 07:23 AM
Well, that's kind of the whole point. It's supposed to look like the graphic novel it was adapted from. It gave it character, in my ever so humble opinion. To each his... or her... own, I guess.

dclary
08-02-2007, 11:41 AM
I could barely watch it, so cheesy dialogue, it was like an army of Ramboes fighting Fantasy villians in a cartoonish world

Oh, go watch your David Lynch movies.

Inkdaub
08-02-2007, 12:16 PM
Who is Big Gerry?

C.bronco
09-06-2007, 10:54 PM
I finally saw it! I liked it. It looked almost like a colorized movie. I'll have to do a little research to see how historically accurate the battle was, but I thought it was pretty cool. Thank you IO.

Stew21
09-06-2007, 11:21 PM
i absolutely loved it! I loved how they told it as legend - so they were allowed the stories of "the immortals" - the rhino, the elephants, teeth filed to razors, etc.
tales grow taller on down the line (that's REO) and I think the intention was fully that it was supposed to be viewed as what the legend would tell - and exaggerated, but done just amazingly well!
absolutely. loved. it!