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Selenia
06-08-2004, 05:53 AM
Considering doing one of those gift books, was wondering if someone had any comments about them, one way or another. Thanks in advance!

Princesstilly
06-22-2004, 03:41 AM
Has anyone heard of this agency? Anything good or bad to say about them? I'm researching potential agents for my novel and I came across their information. Their website is www.nobleliteraryagency.com

The site doesn't mention a reading fee, but does anyone know if they are any good?

Thanks!

bdchita
06-23-2004, 09:15 AM
I don't recall where I saw their name, but I sent them a query, and they declined to see the whole piece. They were professional, and fairly quick in responding. That's my whole experience with them.
Eric

SimonSays
06-24-2004, 01:00 AM
I've seen Noble Literary mentioned on the writers.net boards - there wasn't much information, but as of Feb 2004 they had no sales listed in PW and their legitmacy is questionable because they are subsidiary of a book packaging firm/publishing consultant.

I also found this ad on craigslist

newyork.craigslist.org/mn...33278.html (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/wri/34533278.html)

Legitimate Agents generally do not advertise for clients on a classified ads board like craigslist, as they are usually overwhelmed with queries from writers seeking them out.

Another odd thing - under compensation on the CL ad they wrote: Advance & Royalties which seems pretty strange as agents don't pay you, they get your work to others that will.

Generally speaking you want an agent with verifiable recent sales, so my gut says stay away, move on to the next agents on your list.

CaoPaux
06-24-2004, 01:14 AM
They seem to be legit. Not to be confused with Noble House (scam publisher).

Selenia
06-24-2004, 09:27 AM
Asked about these guys awhile back and haven't heard anything good or bad about them. I may go ahead and look into them, not really sure though. If I do, I will be certain to post my experiences here :)

thewritelady
07-13-2004, 07:54 PM
I am wondering the same thing... does anyone know anything aout Noble Literary Agency?
I went to P&E website, and found no remarks, but I found an ad for them on craigs list..
Some say only scammers use advertising, because real agents are swamped, but yet I have seen nothing bad about them anywhere.
Please help, I don't want to end up wasting my time with them if they are not legit, but I also don't want to steer clear of them just because of an ad if they are reputable.
If anyone has dealt with them, good or bad, please let me know.
Or, if you have seen anything anywhere good or bad about them, please send me in the right direction, Thanks.
joni

James D Macdonald
07-13-2004, 08:50 PM
Write to them, Joni. Ask for the titles/publishers of some recent sales. Ask who's on their client list.

Legit agents will have answers.

Check the answers, because some bad guys fib.

Remember: A useful agent has sold books that you've heard of.


See also <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004772.html" target="_new">this article</a>.

thewritelady
07-13-2004, 09:16 PM
:hug
thank you very much,, i am obviously a newbie, and I really appreciate the advice, Thanks again, Joni

AC Crispin
07-13-2004, 11:18 PM
Writers who have questions about an individual agency should write to Writer Beware and ask. The service is free.

The email is beware@sfwa.org

We don't have all the answers, but we have more than anyone else out there. (The biggest database, that is.)

-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com

vstrauss
07-21-2004, 04:00 AM
I've gotten a couple of inquiries about Noble and have done some research, and here it is...

Noble Literary Agency appears to be very new, with no sales as yet. It's an offshoot of Chameleon Brands, which looks like a successful book/gift/toy/general merchandise packaging firm. Chameleon seems to have worked with a number of major book publishers, so there does look to be quite a bit of industry experience there. However, book packaging and agenting are not the same--and there's at least a potential conflict of interest, if the literary agency were to feed authors into the packaging part of the business. Anyone signing up with them might want to scrutinize the agent-author agreement with extra care.

- Victoria

WriterTVBD
01-26-2005, 12:19 AM
They're running ads seeking authors and writers...are they legit?

Thanks- Peg

CaoPaux
01-26-2005, 12:28 AM
Nope. It's a good Rule of Thumb that any agency that advertises (outside of trade listings like Publishers Weekly) is not one you want. If you do a search here, it should pull up the previous threads on them.

Dhewco
01-26-2005, 02:34 AM
A search of Noble gives only the previous two posts. P&E doesn't say anything negative about them.


David

CaoPaux
01-26-2005, 03:23 AM
Heh, I couldn't get any to show when I searched. *sigh* But here's one of the threads I was thinking of. It'd be best to verify legitimate sales, etc., before pursuing.

p197.ezboard.com/fabsolut...=401.topic (http://p197.ezboard.com/fabsolutewritefrm11.showMessage?topicID=401.topic)

paprikapink
01-26-2005, 04:25 AM
It was this exact question that led me here, to the Water Cooler, through a link off some other site. I followed a zillion links (well, a lot) and used several search engines to get info on this agency after seeing his ad on craigslist. Found very little. It's somehow associated with a book packager/marketing company that looks like it has had real clients. I don't know enough about this business to even know if that is a good or bad thing.

Poysonally, I'm taking the wait and see approach.

-pkpk

CaoPaux
03-22-2005, 06:35 AM
*pinging for search engine*

Noble Literary Agency Chameleon Brands

CaoPaux
03-22-2005, 06:40 AM
I pinged an old thread, which includes this:

Noble Literary Agency appears to be very new, with no sales as yet. It's an offshoot of Chameleon Brands, which looks like a successful book/gift/toy/general merchandise packaging firm. Chameleon seems to have worked with a number of major book publishers, so there does look to be quite a bit of industry experience there. However, book packaging and agenting are not the same--and there's at least a potential conflict of interest, if the literary agency were to feed authors into the packaging part of the business. Anyone signing up with them might want to scrutinize the agent-author agreement with extra care.

- Victoria

victoriastrauss
03-22-2005, 07:38 PM
Since I made the post above, I've seen a contract from Noble. It was a straight author-agent agreement with no funny stuff. However, the wording of the Craigslist ad, especially the exact compensation amount, sure sounds like a packaging deal.

- Victoria

johaanmueller
05-05-2005, 09:25 PM
I intend on attempting to meet with this gentlemen within the next week or so.
I live near him and would like to find out more myself as I have two projects going right now. I will update after the meet.
JM

HapiSofi
05-06-2005, 06:38 AM
It's a very bad idea for your agent and your packager to be the same person.

the debster
06-09-2005, 05:40 AM
I've noticed the listing for MICHAEL NOBLE @ Noble Literary Agency in nearly every craigslist.org city market.

They must really be hungry because they don't specify many restrictions and are open to most anything.

They're listed on P&E as "wanting mass market titles" (this was posted 9/04), yet their Web site claims to be formed just this year.

Has anyone heard of them? Or of Michael Noble?

Thanks,
DJLedford

JennaGlatzer
06-09-2005, 10:58 AM
Hi Deb,

There are already four threads about this, so I'm going to close this one. Check here:

<threads merged, links snipped>

In short, nothing definitive yet. Doesn't appear to be a scammer, but doesn't appear to have made sales yet as agents, either. (They have made sales as book packagers.)
(Gentle reminder for everyone: Please check the Index thread that Cao so lovingly made before posting a new thread. Thanks!)

Torin
10-08-2005, 04:39 PM
Is there anything new on this agent? Does anybody, anywhere know if they're good, bad or indifferent??

Alphabeter
10-09-2005, 05:42 AM
For anyone reading Jenna's post, the other threads were combined into this one.

As to their legitimacy, Ann, Victoria or Dave is better equipped to answer.

victoriastrauss
10-09-2005, 08:40 PM
Is there anything new on this agent? Does anybody, anywhere know if they're good, bad or indifferent??There are still no sales listed on the agency's website, though it has been in business now for well over a year.

The Craigslist ad, which strongly suggests that books are being sought for packaging, is still running. Mr. Noble's website now describes him as a packager as well as a literary agent.

- Victoria

James D. Macdonald
10-10-2005, 09:26 PM
It's a very bad idea for your agent and your packager to be the same person.

That's still darned good advice.

I spent a bit of time in Packager Gulch. Here's experience talking: If you sign a contract with a packager, don't type one single word until the check clears.

(And when you go to a packager, don't forget your whip.)

Torin
10-13-2005, 08:17 PM
Thanks, y'all. I appreciate the info, which I can now pass on to someone who was asking on one of the mailing lists I'm on. :)

Maladroit
01-02-2006, 11:34 PM
Just to beat a dead horse: has anyone dealt directly with Mike Noble yet?
If he's only been around for a year, then it's OK that he doesn't have a book published yet, because mine took over a year from the date my manuscript was signed for at the publisher's reception desk.

But I have a 2nd book idea, and Noble wants to see a proposal after accepting an emailed pitch.

Actually, I already have an agent, but she may have died or had her phones disconnected, but I'm certain of her resurrection on the day my publisher cuts the royalty check.
:ROFL:
I was looking to jump agencies, but I don't want to jump out of my coffin and into the grave. (A lil' Romanian humor there...)

Hi Jenna! I'm a n00b!
Guess who I am?
:hi:

RoccoMom
03-05-2006, 08:32 PM
Has anyone heard/experienced anything good, bad or indifferent re: Mike Noble or Noble Literary Agency?
they are based out of San Francisco

Branwyn
03-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Just what's on their site. What's an NDA?

found this

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560

Duncan J Macdonald
03-06-2006, 06:19 AM
Just what's on their site. What's an NDA?In my line of work (gov't contractor -- part of the Indusdtrio-Military Complex) an NDA is a Non Disclosure Agreement. Generally, they are used so that a contractor from one company who is working with another company can't tell his own company about the other company's proprietary stuff.
Think of it as a limited gag agreement.

Branwyn
03-06-2006, 07:26 AM
About us:
The Noble Literary Agency is a 30-year-old startup formed this year within Chameleon Brands, a general creative and book-packaging firm in San Francisco.
http://www.nobleliteraryagency.com/blank.gif
Since the early ‘70s we have operated in a broad arena of books, toys, games, decor items, posters and related merchandise (you can see where we've been for the past three decades at www.chameleonbrands.com (http://www.chameleonbrands.com/)).
http://www.nobleliteraryagency.com/blank.gif
Now, specializing in books, we are agents in the truest sense: NLA represents writers - and their illustrators, if appropriate - to publishers. For this we receive 15% of publisher-paid royalties and advances (or 30% if we handle book packaging as well as agenting). The people we represent receive the rest.
http://www.nobleliteraryagency.com/blank.gif
Every few months we re-acquaint ourselves with existing editor contacts and meet new editors in the five publishing centers of the US. Between tours we continue to submit our authors’ and illustrators’ work to appropriate editors.
http://www.nobleliteraryagency.com/blank.gif
By the way, we don't sign NDAs. We recommend to those with concerns about confidentiality and ownership that they copyright their intellectual property at http://www (http://www)

thanks Duncan

RoccoMom
04-10-2006, 02:19 PM
I remember hearing from another discussion group that Terry Brejla's agent was Michael Noble.

Now the question is, has anyone heard of Terry Brejla? I find books published by iUniverse at Barnes & Noble.

HapiSofi
04-14-2006, 01:27 AM
Terry Brejla? If that's the author I think it is -- pronounced BRAY-lah, yes? -- I believe I'm familiar with one of his projects, a nonfiction book he sold on proposal and outline to a legitimate publisher. He made such a mess of it that the editor, after numerous pleading attempts to get him to fix its very serious problems, gave up and rewrote the book himself.

RoccoMom
04-14-2006, 02:24 AM
Terry Brejla? If that's the author I think it is -- pronounced BRAY-lah, yes? -- I believe I'm familiar with one of his projects, a nonfiction book he sold on proposal and outline to a legitimate publisher. He made such a mess of it that the editor, after numerous pleading attempts to get him to fix its very serious problems, gave up and rewrote the book himself.

Yes, that's the one. It was something about what people would do if it were their last few hours on earth, or something like that. I assume from your post that he never got the credit for the book. Anyway, I do remember him saying Mike Noble was his agent - don't know if his behaviour is a reflection on Mr. Noble or not, but that's got to be embarassing when the editor rewrites your book, not to mention a real blow to your credibility.

HapiSofi
04-14-2006, 08:15 AM
No, I'm afraid I was thinking of a different book altogether. I gather the one I knew about wasn't his only major screwup?

Brejla got credit for the book his editor had to rewrite. One of the problems, as I recall, was that he could not be made to understand that incorporating long swatches of unaltered text lifted from his competitors' books didn't qualify as "research."

I'm not saying it's impossible that a good agent could have a client like Terry Brejla, but having him isn't much of a recommendation.

CaoPaux
07-04-2006, 04:08 AM
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06-06-2006, 09:24 AM
Roger J Carlson
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Noble Literary Agency - continued from Refugee Camp

This thread is a continuation of a thread started in the Refugee Board:
http://www.rogerjcarlson.com/forum/w...p?TID=440&PN=3

Please continue the discussion here.
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06-12-2006, 11:43 AM
CaoPaux
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Tsu Dho Nimh
10-29-2006, 05:39 PM
Not a 100% indication of a problem agent, but most agents are swamped with submissions ... why does he need to go looking?

The book cover on the site - Catku - was published by Andrews McMeel Publishing.

James D. Macdonald
10-29-2006, 05:45 PM
Andrews McMeel Publishing is completely legitimate and requires an agent for submission.

janetbellinger
10-29-2006, 06:05 PM
I know nothing of the agent in question. I only know what I have learned from experience, and that's nothing worthwhile comes easily, at least for me. You see, I really don't mind holding on to my manuscripts until a qualified agent or publisher becomes interested in them. I figure if I am waking up at 3 a.m. and anguishing over them, whether I've used too many characters, too many events or used as somebody mentioned on another forum here, a "cheap, trick ending," then I will hold my novels in my loving hands until they receive proper representation. I'm in no hurry. I am hoping for a favourable reply from a legitimate agent at the moment, but if it doesn't happen, I will continue fine tuning my novel. My only worry, as I wrote in my journal at 3 a.m., is that in the process of constant revision, I will destroy the original power of my novels.

James D. Macdonald
10-29-2006, 06:18 PM
My only worry, as I wrote in my journal at 3 a.m., is that in the process of constant revision, I will destroy the original power of my novels.

Then stop revising and start a new novel.

Once you've started submitting your book, consider it done. Don't revise it again until an editor opens her checkbook.

shawnrohrbach
04-12-2008, 12:45 AM
I see this guy posting on CL all the time, and I have met several people who have submitted but were treated badly and rejected. There are two novels out now, both selling quite well that he rejected. I visit his website occastionally but it never changes and he never lists the books he has successfully sold nor will he respond to emails about these success, if any. Any experiences????

nicolesingslave
08-01-2009, 12:30 PM
On P&E, http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/pealn.htm

Noble Literary Agency: Agent retired. Agency no longer accepts submissions. A literary agency. 9/18/04: a writer reports they want mass market titles.

CaoPaux
08-01-2009, 06:55 PM
Yep, website is gone. Chameleon Brands is still up, though.
http://chameleonbrands.com/index.html