Shelter puts down 1,000 animals

Jaycinth · Feb 16, 2007

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17185133/wid/11915773?GT1=9033

And then, on the same page there is a story about abandoned kittens...GRRRRRRRRR.....

veinglory · Feb 16, 2007

Shelter staff tend to get caught between a rock and a hard place.

MidnightMuse · Feb 16, 2007

"Lied Animal Shelter spokesman Mark Fierro said"

"a group that has worked with Lied to find homes for impounded animals."

?????

Rekd · Feb 16, 2007

Overcrowding caused outbreak of contagious diseases, officials said

Overcrowding AND disease? I only expected overcrowding

has prompted shelter officials to change their methods of caring for animals.

PeeDee · Feb 16, 2007

I am only vaugely sympathetic toward animal shelters. They are frequently too quick to kill.

If they did this in orphanages, people would be up in arms. In animal shelters, when it happens, people go "Oh, tut, tut. Maybe we should look for more funding, after lunch or something."

veinglory · Feb 16, 2007

Yes, there is something broken in the formatting of that text --perhaps it was hacked.

...and, if one animal has a disease, overcrowding promotes its spread. Parvo, particularly is easily spread so the two are closely linked in shelters.

Jaycinth · Feb 16, 2007

veinglory said:
Shelter staff tend to get caught between a rock and a hard place.

Yeah. Is True. My shelter here, has a foster animal program so when they get over crowded, they give volunteers food and bedding to care for pets until they can be rotated back. Last year I had three kittens that were adopted before they could be rotated back.

which reminds me of the kitten story on the same page. grrrrr

veinglory · Feb 16, 2007

People don't work in shelters because they are sadistic--many are volunteers. None would kill if there were alternatives but no one is in a hurry to provide them. I see shelter works slaving away for free, devistated by what they see happening, and just getting abuse for their efforts.

PeeDee · Feb 16, 2007

I tend to avoid animal stories (and should have wisely avoided this thread).

99% of the time, it just makes my blood boil and I'm genuinely angry for an hour afterward. Which I hate being.

veinglory · Feb 16, 2007

IMHO the anger is deserved--by those who irresponsibly breed and desert pets.

MidnightMuse · Feb 16, 2007

Don't even get me started ! When it's my turn to rule the world, it'll be a vastly different place.

PeeDee · Feb 16, 2007

veinglory said:
IMHO the anger is deserved--by those who irresponsibly breed and desert pets.

I've got plenty of fury on the subject to go around.

Which, I think, is my cue to wander back to safer threads...

TsukiRyoko · Feb 16, 2007

"And has prompted shelter officials to change their methods?" You haven't SEEN prompting until you've seen MY prompting. For every dead animal, I say we give each "official" Richard Cranium twenty paper cuts, then grind in some floral fragranced bath salts and searing ash.

Elderly homes are getting overcrowded, I hear. Are we going to euthanize them next?

Dixie · Feb 16, 2007

Dont get me started on this either. The Labrador is America's most registered breed with the AKC and yet in nearly every animal shelter you will find at least one lab - in the bigger shelters you run on to the purebreds that have been surrendered with papers. Too many people breeding - too many puppy mills too many backyard breeders. Since the Marley & Me book came out I have seen more labs in peoples yards around town. Yesterday I saw a purebred Choc Male running around. If I had the money to take him in and care for him, I would have. But there isnt a local animal shelter and owner surrenders are the ones usually put down first unless they are puppies.

kristie911 · Feb 16, 2007

veinglory said:
IMHO the anger is deserved--by those who irresponsibly breed and desert pets.

I'm with veinglory on this one. Nothing pisses me off more than people that breed animals "to make a buck" or just because they're too irresponsible to care.

I have a German Shepherd that I rescued from a shelter and my neighbor happens to have a female GS. She called a couple of weeks ago and asks if my Shepherd has papers cuz her female is in heat. Huh? She's never even seen my dog up close, she doesn't know if he's healthy (he has mild hip dysplasia), nothing! She just knows he's a GS...that's it! I was fuming mad but didn't say anything. BTW...my dog is neutered. It's people like that that contribute to the horrible overcrowding of shelters and the staggering number of homeless pets. And it's all because they're simply stupid.

ACK! I can feel my blood pressure rising! Time to go!

veinglory · Feb 16, 2007

Shelter staff don't usually have any control over their lack of resources--in fact most spent huge amount of their time fundraising and begging people to adopt more animals. It seems rather unfair to attack some fo the few people actually trying to fix the problem. Try going for you local counsel who pay little or nothing towards these needs because they think you would rather have more Xmas lights and Haloween displays rather than more animal lives saved. Have you told them otherwise?

Who wants to start a book project where funds would go to animal rescue and rehoming?

Gabriel · Feb 16, 2007

TsukiRyoko said:
Elderly homes are getting overcrowded, I hear. Are we going to euthanize them next?

Tsuki! Don't give them ideas!

Ol' Fashioned Girl · Feb 16, 2007

I love the folks who let their animal have one litter to show their kids the 'miracle of birth'. When someone is ignorant enough to say that around me, I always sweetly ask, "So... when will you take your kid to the pound so he can witness the miracle of death?"

The Lady · Feb 16, 2007

The "humane society" thinks the solution is to kill all the animals within three days of arriving there?

Sorry?

So basically, what these humane people would perfer is if there was a steady drip feed of animals being killed, say twenty a day everyday instead of the big old one thousand at a time.

How is that humane? The animals don't need those fools looking out for them.

Anybody ever watch Animal Cops Miami? It is an abomination of a programme and the makers don't seem to even realise. Basically injued animals don't get treated till their owner is either located or the animal is oficially out of its waiting for an owner to turn up period . Then a voice over goes. "After three days, Sandy's owner is finally located. This is great for Sandy who can finally get the trestment she needs." Cut to the shot of a dog with a hanging off leg being taken from a cage. And no I'm not misunderstanding it either.

Any of course the people who breed needlessly are responsible, but then everybody is responsible. When was the last time anybody asked somebody lookig to be elected what their party did for animal welfare. Never. Well, why not?

And don't go into that that tired old debate about looking after the old folk and education first and all that. The world is plenty rich enough. There is enough to go around for everybody.

Rekd · Feb 16, 2007

The Lady said:
How is that humane? The animals don't need those fools looking out for them.

Not to stir the pot, but would it be better to leave them roaming the streets? Or put into a paper bag and dropped on the freeway?

The world is plenty rich enough. There is enough to go around for everybody.

I'm gonna leave that one alone.

writerterri · Feb 16, 2007

That's why my new cat doesn't have his coco's anymore.

The Lady · Feb 16, 2007

Rekd said:
Not to stir the pot, but would it be better to leave them roaming the streets? Or put into a paper bag and dropped on the freeway?

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Granted, the article is writen by an idiot with a loathing for clarity and a complete lack of interest in the topic, but I still don't understand your confusion.

The humane society is a team of outside inspectors. They're not the ones picking them up off the street. They're the ones who want to solve the problem of overcrowding with quicker death. Not with more funding or better health policies. With quicker death. How is that humane?
Answer. It's not. These are goverment officials who don't give a flying f**k about animals.

Remeber there are two types of dog shelters, one is charity funded. They typically have a no kill policy. The other type is usually a local authority catch and destroy outpost. Don't ever get them confused. One type sees animals as beautiful creatures to be cared for. The other type sees it something like a rat extermination problem.

kristie911 · Feb 16, 2007

The Lady said:
Remeber there are two types of dog shelters, one is charity funded. They typically have a no kill policy. The other type is usually a local authority catch and destroy outpost. Don't ever get them confused. One type sees animals as beautiful creatures to be cared for. The other type sees it something like a rat extermination problem.

This is WAY to general of a statement. Our local shelters (who do put animals down) do their best to place every animal that comes in by working with local groups that foster animals. And the (paid) animal control officers do not enjoy putting animals down...it's just part of what they have to do. There are just not enough homes for these animals that people breed indiscriminately and without caring what will happen to them.

Every year our county budgets several thousand dollars to pick up the costs of spaying and neutering certificates that people can buy for $25 a piece...then the local vets do the surgery at a reduced cost.

Not every kill shelter is a "rat extermination" center, there are people working there that geniunely care about animals but have no choice but to destroy some number of them.

Where is the solution to having all "no kill" shelters across the country? Eventually they would be packed to the gills with no end in sight. Unless every animal lover agreed to take several dozen dogs and cats there couldn't possibly be enough homes for them...ever.

It's sad but it's life...and until people quit acting like idiots and take care of their animals responsibly the problem will not end.

janetbellinger · Feb 16, 2007

I think there shoudl be stiffer penalties for people who abuse, abandon or neglect their pets. Abuse is abuse whether it is done to humans or animals.

Rekd · Feb 16, 2007

Same here terri, none of my three cats have theirs (two females one male).

I'm not confused about this at all, Lady. I have a great love for all animals, and this makes me just as sick as it makes you, likely more (considering the way you downplay rats). But there's a lot worse that can happen, and has. I've seen it first hand.

Is it wrong? Absolutely. Is it over-crowded? Definately. Would the disease make them suffer more? I would bet yes. Would I rather see them put down there or put down on the freeway or left out to starve? I shouldn't even have to ask that question.

It strikes me as hypocritical that you would "save the dogs/cats" in one breath, then turn around and exterminate the rats in the next, as though rats weren't animals or didn't have feelings like cats and dogs do. I guess the rats are like fish, they only wiggle cuz they're confused.

Well said, kristie.

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