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Mud Dauber
02-06-2007, 07:12 AM
Can anyone toss out a few names of popular pain killers, either over-the-counter or prescription, that would cause the same symptoms as being really drunk (stumbling, slurring words, etc.)? I need something for my character that wouldn't necessarily knock him out, but make him really drowsy and incoherent, appearing drunk.

Thanks :)

rugcat
02-06-2007, 07:43 AM
It would take either a lot, or something powerful, to produce that kind of incoherence. A few Oxycontin might do it, or my personal favorite, Demerol. Another is Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) hard to obtain, but a great favorite among junkies.

Speck
02-06-2007, 08:19 AM
From the Wikipedia entry "Analgesic":


"In the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) in recent years, however, there has been a wave of new addictions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction) to prescription narcotics such as oxycodone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodone) (OxyContin) and hydrocodone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocodone) (Vicodin, Lortab etc.) when available in pure formulations as opposed to combined with other medications (as in Percocet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percocet) which contains both oxycodone and acetaminophen/paracetamol). Hydrocodone is only available in pure form in some European countries as the original hydrocodone pharmaceutical, Dicodid tablets. Far from reducing addiction liability, the paracetamol content of many codeine, dihydrocodeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone pharmaceuticals in the United States only saddles users with the high risk of severe liver damage, and extraction of the opioids with cold water or solvents reduces this problem for the sophisticated abuser, self-medicator, and legitimate prescription holder alike. [citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] Most hydrocodone, codeine, and dihydrocodeine cough syrups available in the United States also contain active ingredients which are dangerous in overdose. [citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)]"

JanDarby
02-06-2007, 08:21 AM
It depends on the person's tolerance. Vicodin and Percocet are narcotics like Oxycodone, and some people can pop them like candy (Dr. House on the tv show, for one), but others among us (me) can barely take a half dose, and even then it causes serious impairment. Vicodin and Percocet are both prescribed routinely (perhaps too routinely) for things like soft-tissue injury from auto accidents and -- Vicodin in particular -- root canals.

JD

Jenan Mac
02-06-2007, 08:43 AM
I have to tell you, Vicodin is some amazing stuff. I just had some rather nasty oral surgery and was prescribed 1-2 every 6 hours for pain. One makes me hallucinate. Two and I'd probably be thinking I was the Blessed Virgin and scrapbooking a baby book for Jesus.

Southern_girl29
02-06-2007, 08:56 AM
When I was in labor, I was given Stadol. I will never take it again, because of how drunk I felt. Actually, it was more than being drunk. My family said I acted like I was possesed. One minute, I was so sweet and the next I was the girl from the exorcist. I don't have a lot of memories that night, either.

Sandi LeFaucheur
02-06-2007, 03:52 PM
I take Fiorinol C1/2 for headaches. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. They definitely slow down your thought processes. Took one at work and I couldn't figure out how to work the photocopier. Just stood there staring at it. I should imagine if you had a low tolerance or if you were stupid enough to take more than one, they'd make you act drunk.

johnnysannie
02-06-2007, 04:27 PM
Darvon and Darvoset.

PattiTheWicked
02-06-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm one of those people who can take Vicodin and get some pain relief out of it, but not be impaired in the least. Percocet, on the other hand, turns me into an immobile lump of very happy Jello.

Mud Dauber
02-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Thank you everyone. Vicodin was the first thing that came to mind, but I know nothing about it... It helps hearing everyone's personal experience. And Speck, thank you for the Wikipedia paragraph, though I have to admit after I read it, I was like, 'what the...?' LOL I can't understand that jargon. I still haven't had coffee yet, maybe that's why. Or else I'm just stupid.

Thanks again.:)

MidnightMuse
02-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Vicoden makes me a very happy camper :D

Petroglyph
02-06-2007, 07:27 PM
I've seen people hallucinate with Stadol.

Does it need to be oral, or could the person be shooting up?

Mud Dauber
02-06-2007, 08:15 PM
I've seen people hallucinate with Stadol.

Does it need to be oral, or could the person be shooting up?

Definitely oral. And preferably something commonly used for other ailments or pains. My character isn't a junkie or anything like that, but he does have issues with drinking. I need it for a scene where his love interest mistakes him as drunk.

Kate Thornton
02-06-2007, 08:19 PM
I take prescription Vicodin. It knocks out the pain, but gives me bad dreams.
It does not seem to impair me when I am awake.

thethinker42
02-06-2007, 10:46 PM
Another is Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) hard to obtain, but a great favorite among junkies.

Not so hard to obtain if you have allergies.

I'm allergic to every painkiller out there EXCEPT hydromorphone (and any other variation of morphine). I had it when I had my wisdom teeth out, for a minor knee surgery, and after a minor car accident, because there's simply nothing else I can take.

It's a bit of a PITA to convince docs that it's all you can take, and it takes some arm-twisting, but it's not as difficult as one might think. It's not like they make you take a lie-detector test. Once I tell them that Codeine makes my throat start closing and I break out in hives when I take Percocet, they're pretty quick to write the RX for Dilaudid. They sometimes look at me like I'm a junkie, and they roll their eyes, but they do write the RX. It really isn't much harder to acquire than any other painkiller out there.

ETA: Disclaimer -- I realized after I wrote it that it almost reads like a how-to guide for the wannabe Dilaudid junkie. Not intended as such...just to help the OP get his character some drugs. LOL BTW...taking one or two of these can DEFINITELY make you loopy.

Mud Dauber
02-07-2007, 12:33 AM
ETA: Disclaimer -- I realized after I wrote it that it almost reads like a how-to guide for the wannabe Dilaudid junkie. Not intended as such...just to help the OP get his character some drugs. LOL BTW...taking one or two of these can DEFINITELY make you loopy.
Just to clarify... I am a she.;)

thethinker42
02-07-2007, 12:56 AM
Just to clarify... I am a she.;)

Semantics, semantics. sheesh.

;)

Mud Dauber
02-07-2007, 01:05 AM
:D

Come Back Kid
02-07-2007, 03:26 AM
Hi Super Member:
Soma is what you are seeking. It is a muscle relaxer and can make you act like a drunk.
Jim

Siddow
02-07-2007, 03:53 AM
I'll second Soma. We used to call it a 'Soma Coma', and it will seriously make you unable to walk. I like percosets (sp?) too, but the effect is not near as strong or fast.

Not like I do drugs or anything...

Rainy Night
02-07-2007, 03:55 AM
Soma is bad, will really mess you up if you do to much.

smallthunder
02-07-2007, 06:43 AM
Soma sounded familiar, but as a drug in some SF story I read a long time ago (Ray Bradbury?) ...

I checked, then, on Medline. If you have your MC take soma, you should know it's generic name is ...
Carisoprodol
(kar eye soe proe' dole)

Why is this medication prescribed?

Carisoprodol, a muscle relaxant, is used with rest, physical therapy, and other measures to relax muscles and relieve pain and discomfort caused by strains, sprains, and other muscle injuries.
This medication is sometimes prescribed for other uses; ask your doctor or pharmacist for more information.

How should this medicine be used?
Carisoprodol comes as a tablet to take by mouth. It usually is taken three times daily and at bedtime. It may be taken with or without food. Take carisoprodol exactly as directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it more often than prescribed by your doctor.

What special precautions should I follow?
Before taking carisoprodol,
tell your doctor and pharmacist if you are allergic to carisoprodol, meprobamate (Equanil, Meprospan, Miltown, Neuramate), or any other drugs.
tell your doctor and pharmacist what prescription and nonprescription medications you are taking, especially medications for allergies, coughs, or colds; muscle relaxants; sedatives; sleeping pills; tranquilizers; and vitamins.
tell your doctor if you have or have ever had kidney or liver disease.
tell your doctor if you are pregnant, plan to become pregnant, or are breast-feeding. If you become pregnant while taking carisoprodol, call your doctor.
you should know that this drug may make you drowsy. Do not drive a car or operate machinery until you know how carisoprodol affects you.
remember that alcohol can add to the drowsiness caused by this drug.

What special dietary instructions should I follow?
Carisoprodol may cause an upset stomach. Take carisoprodol with food or milk.

What side effects can this medication cause?
Carisoprodol may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
drowsiness
dizziness
clumsiness
headache
fast heart rate
upset stomach
vomiting
skin rash
If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
difficulty breathing
fever
weakness
burning in the eyes

ColoradoGuy
02-07-2007, 07:16 AM
If you want the person more incoherent and stuporous than knocked out, one of the benzodiazepine class of drugs (e.g. Valium, Ativan) would probably be better than a narcotic (e.g. Oxycontin, Vicodin, Dilaudid), particularly if you want some amnesia later for the time under the influence of the drug.

The bottom line is that responses to all of these agents are quite variable among different people, particularly the dose needed to achieve a given mental state. So you can pretty much do whatever your plot requires.

Rabe
02-11-2007, 06:46 AM
After my knee surgery I was given Percocet. Which made me very happy until it wore off in which case I crashed to the point of passing out. If I didn't 'overlap' doses then I would be out for quite a while. Which was good for pain relief!

When I was in the car accident, they were giving me primarily Vicodin and there were some VERY bad trips assosciated with that (and I made the mistake - while under the influence of Vicodin - of telling a freind about the trips...I've STILL not heard the end of it!) It's to the point where I put up with MAJOR pain before I'd pop another Vicodin because of the way it made me feel drunken and then would hallucinate.

I was told in the emergency room to keep my Vicodin well guarded as it was a favorite for pill poppers (which I already knew) and that my experiences were exactly what they wanted. So I guess it does matter a lot on the person.

But the great part about being the writer is you get to 'fudge it' to have the reaction you want.

Rabe...

tela
02-11-2007, 07:37 AM
My husband once took Clonazepam, an anticonvulsant med I believe, before going to bed, for the next day and a half he couldn't walk in a straight line, stand with out swaying or talk with out slurring.

ColoradoGuy
02-11-2007, 07:53 AM
Clonazepam (Klonopin) is closely related to Valium, which is why that happened.

Inkdaub
02-11-2007, 12:03 PM
I'm one of those people who can take Vicodin and get some pain relief out of it, but not be impaired in the least. Percocet, on the other hand, turns me into an immobile lump of very happy Jello.

I am much the same. I get some effect from Vicodin but Percocet hits me far harder. I have friends who claim the opposite, though.

Mud Dauber
02-12-2007, 10:01 PM
I need to ask part 2 of this question...

How long do the effects of the drug (I'm either going with Vicaden, Valium or Percocet) last? If you were to take it around noon, would you still be feeling it by the evening, or is it like the usual OTC drugs (Tylenol, ibuprofen), where it wears off after approx 4-6 hours?

Thanks in advance :)

ColoradoGuy
02-13-2007, 02:31 AM
I need to ask part 2 of this question...

How long do the effects of the drug (I'm either going with Vicaden, Valium or Percocet) last? If you were to take it around noon, would you still be feeling it by the evening, or is it like the usual OTC drugs (Tylenol, ibuprofen), where it wears off after approx 4-6 hours?

Thanks in advance :)
It depends. Some formulations of morphine are made to last about 12 hours, but the standard percocet,vicodin, etc. is 4-6 hours in most people. Methodone lasts a little longer typically. If a person has been on these meds chronically the duration of action is usually about the same but the dose required to get the same effect is usually higher.

tela
02-13-2007, 03:47 AM
I've taken several narcotic pain killers and now take avinza (morphine based) one ofthe best things about this med is that it's a 24 hour timed released med and really works. I would imagine if a person had a bad reaction to it the reaction would last quite a while.

scarletpeaches
02-13-2007, 04:18 AM
And the Lord looked upon his creation, and he did see that rohypnol was good, and it was very good in the eyes of all sexual perverts. :D

Mud Dauber
02-13-2007, 08:13 AM
Thanks again everyone. You've been most helpful.:)

jennifer75
02-17-2007, 01:31 AM
Can anyone toss out a few names of popular pain killers, either over-the-counter or prescription, that would cause the same symptoms as being really drunk (stumbling, slurring words, etc.)? I need something for my character that wouldn't necessarily knock him out, but make him really drowsy and incoherent, appearing drunk.

Thanks :)


the little pink benedryl tablets. They'll knock you out. Morphine will make you prety incoherent.

jennifer75
02-17-2007, 01:33 AM
When I was in labor, I was given Stadol. I will never take it again, because of how drunk I felt. Actually, it was more than being drunk. My family said I acted like I was possesed. One minute, I was so sweet and the next I was the girl from the exorcist. I don't have a lot of memories that night, either.

Yea I was given something for pain but don't remember the name, but it was absolutely HORRIBLE!!

I was slurring, laughing, everything was blurry, then I knocked out.