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skelly
02-03-2007, 05:20 PM
Standard disclaimer: I've searched here and google. It may be my poor choice of search terms, but I'm not finding anything. If somebody knows of a thread or link I missed could, you please point me in the right direction?

What I need to know ... If a 12-year-old girl was murdered and then sunk with a lot of weight in a really large (and deep) farm pond, would there still be some remains for the cops to dredge up 60 years later, when my MC's solve the mystery? A skeleton, at least? And along the same lines, if the girl's parents were buried in a basement and then a concrete floor was hastily laid, there would still be some skeletal remains 60 years later, right?

Does anybody know anything about this? Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
--Scott

Vanatru
02-03-2007, 05:24 PM
Bones would be there.....for both cases. Of course, for the pond, they might be spread out over the bottom due to water motion, fish, critters, etc.

Mom and Dad would be skeletons.

We had an insurgent that was shot, he fell into a deep ditch that had about three feet of water in it. No one ever fished his body out. A year later, the skeleton is still in the bottom of it. Saw it when it was fresh, and saw it when it was bones. Kinda of an interesting contrast. That was within the last two years. The ditch was about 6 maybe 7 feet deep with steep sides. It had very little disturbance to it. The bones shifted a bit down to flash rains swirling through, but no more than a foot at most.

scarletpeaches
02-03-2007, 05:40 PM
Couldn't you turn her into a 'bloater and floater'?

Man, I've always wanted to use that in a post. :D

skelly
02-03-2007, 06:38 PM
~crackle~
"Uh, unit 15, say again?"
~crackle~
"Sir I said we've got a floating bloater. We need the medical examiner on scene right away."
~crackle~
"Roger that."

scarletpeaches
02-03-2007, 06:45 PM
Tea. Nose. Computer screen. :D

Maryn
02-03-2007, 07:12 PM
A heartbreaking case about five years ago in the area where I live involved a couple encasing their (living) newborn in concrete in a plastic 5-gallon painter's bucket, which they took with them each time they moved. The remains were fairly well preserved after 15 years, if I recall correctly. Enough to put them both in jail for the rest of their lives.

Maryn, who just doesn't get some people

skelly
02-03-2007, 07:16 PM
Good Lord. You just gave me a great idea though. Thanks.

johnnysannie
02-03-2007, 07:21 PM
Not the same as underwater but in the news there was a recent case of a mummified infant found inside a suitcase in a storage unit in Florida. If I remember the details, a daughter was clearing out items from a storage unit rented by her parents and the child's remains were found inside a suitcase.

The story I saw was on the CNN home page - I'm sure it could be found.

It might stir your - or someone's - imagination!

PattiTheWicked
02-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Mummified Baby's Remains Haunt Police (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/02/btsc.candiotti/)

I read this yesterday, and thought it was just so sad. Wonder what the story is behind it.

AmyBA
02-03-2007, 08:30 PM
Oh my gosh-- I cannot imagine what that poor woman who found the suitcase must have gone through....

As far as the original question, what if you had the murderer wrap the body in a sheet or canvas drop-cloth or something? Would that prevent decomposition/scattering of remains enough so that there'd be something left 60 years on?

PattiTheWicked
02-03-2007, 10:22 PM
You should ask this guy: http://www.dplylemd.com/forcomm.html

Bookmark his site, too -- there's a TON of great stuff on there, although it's probably not for the squeamish.

skelly
02-03-2007, 10:47 PM
Bookmarked it. Thanks PTW, that's good stuff.

Liam Jackson
02-04-2007, 01:49 AM
~crackle~
"Uh, unit 15, say again?"
~crackle~
"Sir I said we've got a floating bloater. We need the medical examiner on scene right away."
~crackle~
"Roger that."

This may sound a little odd, but you're damned near dead on the nose. (No pun intended...okay, so it was intended.)

Bloated Floater. Heard (and used) the term with some regularity "back in the day." Came from working the Arkansas and Mississippi rivers as a county deputy. Always used a tactical channel to call for a coroner (meat inspector)

scarletpeaches
02-04-2007, 01:52 AM
This may sound a little odd, but you're damned near dead on the nose...

Uh, pardon me, but I believe I was the one who first raised the subject of bloater 'n' floater.

Vincent
02-04-2007, 05:33 AM
Yes, scarletpeaches, well done.

PattiTheWicked
02-04-2007, 06:18 PM
Bloated Floater. Heard (and used) the term with some regularity "back in the day." Came from working the Arkansas and Mississippi rivers as a county deputy. Always used a tactical channel to call for a coroner (meat inspector)

When I worked in EMS, one of my favorite terms was a "drop & flop", which was a call to someone who'd had a seizure. The ER guys always had the best ones, though: A gomer was "get out of my emergency room".

And if your unit was gone 10-17-75, it meant you were going to get lunch.