Um...I don't get it...

And posted exactly at 4:20.

Well played.

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I see your point, but this sounds like an over-generalisation, oversimplification and confusion of the issue to me.

I agree with your general notion -- it's not right that one is legal and controlled, but the other is not. But it's not accurate to say that pot is completely harmless, non-addictive, and safe.

Pot is carcinogenic, like tobacco. And don't kid yourself that it's impossible to get addicted to. Ask any physician or treatment center whether it's a good idea for alcoholics to switch to marijuana to get off the booze.

I'd certainly feel no safer riding in a car with someone who was high, rather than drunk.

And not everyone gets angry or aggressive with alcohol; with many, it has the opposite effect: they become morose and withdrawn.

I think you're mixing your drug lore as well: bad trips and "thinking I can fly" are generally associated with LSD or maybe PCP, not marijuana. I'd imagine that such effects from pot would be caused by impurities of some sort.

This is hardly the 'reefer madness' generation. Pot is technically illegal but who really cares much about it any more? Both drugs have been effects--one has been in our culture so long it is accepted, the other hasn't. You are expecting cultural norms to be rational, perhaps?

One only needs to look at history to understand why one is now legal and socially accepted, and other not. Alcohol used to be illegal, you know? And pot used to be legal. There are many reasons why it's different now: economics, politics, etc. But I think it is a bit naive to think that marijuana is harmless, even though I do agree that the effect, abuse and long-term health issues of alcohol use cannot be ignored.

MJ isn't harmless. Coming from my own experiences and the long history my family has with substance abuse. One of the common elements in my family is, "it got worse when I started smoking."


Which is not to say that every user will become a raging addict that will gladly sell off their children for their next fix.

My mom was a nurse in a psychiatric facility for a number of years and saw a great deal of long-term marijuana abuse. Not pretty. It's probably great if you want to be a brain-dead moron with slurred speech and poor motor-coordination.

aadams73 said:

My mom was a nurse in a psychiatric facility for a number of years and saw a great deal of long-term marijuana abuse. Not pretty. It's probably great if you want to be a brain-dead moron with slurred speech and poor motor-coordination.

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Ditto.

aadams73 said:

My mom was a nurse in a psychiatric facility for a number of years and saw a great deal of long-term marijuana abuse. Not pretty. It's probably great if you want to be a brain-dead moron with slurred speech and poor motor-coordination.

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You've met my nephew, I see...

aadams73 said:

if you want to be a brain-dead moron with slurred speech and poor motor-coordination.

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...who thinks he/she is very, very insightful.

You can drink without getting drunk. I don't think people smoke pot unless they intend to get high. Having dealt with many long term pot heads, I can say that the only people more damaged are the huffers.

ETA--that's not to minimalize the effects of long term alcoholism.

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...who thinks he/she is very, very insightful.

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You have met my nephew! Not only is he uncannily attuned to the workings of the universe, he's 'stickin' it to the MAN, man!'.

just b/c alcohol is legal does not mean pot should be.

potheads need to come up w a better argument than that.

or just pretend its for medicinal purposes. id support that.

good luck stoners of america. i hope you come up w a better strategy.

Bravo said:

just b/c alcohol is legal does not mean pot should be.

potheads need to come up w a better argument than that.

or just pretend its for medicinal purposes. id support that.

good luck stoners of america. i hope you come up w a better strategy.

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Oh, they will.

But they'll forget what it was in a minute.

like any drug, marijuana can be beneficial or detrimental. anyone who pretends it is all of one and none of the other is silly.

Soccer Mom said:

You can drink without getting drunk. I don't think people smoke pot unless they intend to get high.

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Exactly.

are you saying people don't always drink to experience some level of the effects of alcohol?

hogwash.

A glass of wine can be just for the taste.

William Haskins said:

are you saying people don't always drink to experience some level of the effects of alcohol?

hogwash.

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No. I'm not saying that.

"some level" is not the same as "inebriated."

I drink Chamomile tea sometimes to feel the effects (sleepiness). But it doesn't impair my judgement or for instance, my ability to drive a vehicle.

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There's increasing medical evidence that smoking pot is linked to schizophrenia.

Of course alcohol is damaging, when drunk to excess, or in combination with driving etc - but it's one of the oldest vices known to man and much harder to remove from the culture.

Also - alcohol is taxed, pot isn't - where would the governments get that extra income if alcohol became illegal?

I don't deny that marijuana can be beneficial to someone with a real medical need. But most people aren't using it for that. It isn't "evil", but having seen the effects of it, I wouldn't put it in my body and I will strongly discourage my kids from every trying it.

Ol' Fashioned Girl said:

You have met my nephew! Not only is he uncannily attuned to the workings of the universe, he's 'stickin' it to the MAN, man!'.

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Yeah, how old is he? I might have dated him in the 80s...

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Soccer Mom said:

I don't deny that marijuana can be beneficial to someone with a real medical need. But most people aren't using it for that. It isn't "evil", but having seen the effects of it, I wouldn't put it in my body and I will strongly discourage my kids from every trying it.

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Do you think people are drinking because of its health benefits?

The bottom line is, like William said, any drugs have both benefits and detriments. Abuse is always bad. To say pot is bad but alcohol is okay is just head in the sand. To say pot should be legal because alcohol is -- well, you have a point but it doesn't mean pot is harmless. It's just saying let's legalize things that would slowly kill us (alcohol, nicotine, marijuana, etc.) and tax the heck out of them, but let people make their own choices.