Cease-Fire, Civil War, Coup? Who knows...
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Bravo said:
well, as both fatah and hamas call for the violent destruction of israel, i guess i just hope, against rational reality, that each side wipes out the other, so that people who want peace can step over their rotting corpses and usher in a less bloody phase to this mess.
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tourdeforce said:
I'm watching Christmas Vacation.
Sunday night, popcorn, Christmas Week Eve, it doesn't get much better, people.
Good luck, Palestine. Your own country awaits you with open arms.
Hope you work out your internal issues and recognize Israel and cut out the nonsense like rocket fire and come back to the bargaining table.
Clark Griswald would want it that way.
May he rest in peace.
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i'm not sure i'm entirely comfortable with you connecting an obviously cynical statement about murderous militants cancelling each other out and wholesale genocide of the palestinian people.
but i can't say i'm very surprised either, unfortunately.
but i can't say i'm very surprised either, unfortunately.
William Haskins said:
You mean you're against collective punishment against the palestinian people? And the Lebanese? Is all of Lebanon justifiably punished for the actions of Hezbollah? Is all of palestine justifiably punished for the actions of Hamas?
has this been answered for the record?
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Bird of Prey said:
Don't worry.
They'll say "uncle" at some point.
They have no choice if they ever want to have they're own country. No choice. Like I said before, no matter how much you may wish something to be different doesn't matter. Reality is reality. And Israel will wait them out until the end of time if that's what it takes.
Sorry.
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Bird of Prey said:
All of that stuff can be worked out at the bargaining table.
Which they'll never get to with a Hamas and "Israel must be destroyed" governments and backers. Never.
So...compensation is nice issue to talk about when they reach the bargaining table.
I look forward to it one day.
Hashing out a deal.
Even though they already had one that Arafat turned down.
But, I look forward to getting back in there to see what we can come up.
Good luck, everyone.
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Bird of Prey said:
And Israel has no reason to believe the terror attacks would ever stop.
There's no assurances now.
Bird, stop dreaming of what you wish were and join in the reality for the betterment of the Palestinian people, that Israel will never, ever go to the bargaining table until their simple demands of "recognize Israel's right to exist and stop the attacks."
Really friggin simple demands.
"Hey guys, just stop firing rockets and just state that we have a right to exist" and then we can get back to negotiating.
And if they don't, they'll never have a country.
It's up to them.
Sorry.
That's the reality of the situation instead of the "what I wish was."
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Bird of Prey said:
Did the Israelis deserve to have their land taken from them thousands of years ago?
Did the Indians deserve to have the American continent taken from them?
Did the Africans deserve to be slaves...
On and on and on throughout history...
With that said...Maybe compensate them. Whatever.
Figure it out at the bargaining table.
That's what negotiations are for.
"Israel has to give each family who lost their home $20,000 dollars..."
Whatever they can reasonably afford, write them a check or not.
Where's my check from Russia for my ancestors being driven out of there?
It's ridiculous.
But as far as I'm concerned, I'm willing to talk and consider anything once we're back at the table.
Thank you.
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Bird of Prey said:
What an obnoxious statement.
Sadly, I don't type like the Flash and it takes me a minute to get around to each successive post.
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Billy favors collective punishment of all palestinians for the actions of a few.
Millions of palestinians and millions of israelis living in that postage stamp chunk of land, but in 2005, the number of people killed by the never ending war was:
3,225 Palestinians killed by Israelis (3,135 by military in the territories, 54 by military inside Israel, 34 by settlers in the territories)
950 Israelis killed by Palestinians (431 inside Israel, 218 settlers, 218 soldiers on duty)
And this is grounds for millions of Israelis to collectively punish millions of palestinians.
Does anyone know how stupid this is? It's would be about as stupid as if the Crips and the Bloods were having a gang war, and every single person of the 4 million people in LA had to pick a side to support and start fighting.
Millions of palestinians and millions of israelis living in that postage stamp chunk of land, but in 2005, the number of people killed by the never ending war was:
3,225 Palestinians killed by Israelis (3,135 by military in the territories, 54 by military inside Israel, 34 by settlers in the territories)
950 Israelis killed by Palestinians (431 inside Israel, 218 settlers, 218 soldiers on duty)
And this is grounds for millions of Israelis to collectively punish millions of palestinians.
Does anyone know how stupid this is? It's would be about as stupid as if the Crips and the Bloods were having a gang war, and every single person of the 4 million people in LA had to pick a side to support and start fighting.
Your courage vow should include
"I vow to find valid solutions, not just spend all my time criticizing the solutions suggested by others I don't agree with, or who are stupid."
"I vow to find valid solutions, not just spend all my time criticizing the solutions suggested by others I don't agree with, or who are stupid."
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greglondon said:
What does that mean? "Allllll" and "punishment."
Please tell me what you think I favor.
Thank you.
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No - it doesn't matter that Israel has shown incredible patience and restraint in the face of constant terror tactics, and a willingness to negotiate that the people of Palestine cannot claim (as evidenced by their voting patterns).alices said:
MattW said:
Ya know, it's funny you mention that. I checked the Geneva Conventions: they don't make exceptions for voting civilians and make them legitimate targets. So, I guess your comment is a red herring.
dclary said:
Stop collective punishment. It's valid to criticize collective punishment as long as people kid themselves that collective punishment is a "valid solution". It ain't. It needs to stop.
And I've made some suggestions for valid solutions. The problem is they don't involving bombing people, so the hawks don't consider them "valid". I don't need to repeat every valid solution I've mentioned in every post. At the moment, I'm not supposed to repeat myself anyway.
Lastly, your entire post really boils down to an almost equal parallel to the neocons who say to the world "Well, now that I've gotten us into this mess, what the hell are you going to do to fix it?"
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