Iranian Student Heckle Ahmadinejad
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billythrilly7th
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For Christmas, I'm sending all of those students "How to Assasinate a Psychopath Dictator for Dummies."
billythrilly7th
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Bird of Prey said:
I'm sure they'll handle things like their arrests, torture and murders pretty discreetly and I doubt after it happens that the story will show up for 72 straight days on the front page of the Tehran York Times, but I'll keep my eyes and ears open for ya, Bird.
Bird of Prey said:
They might "drop out" of school though.
and into a burlap bag.
Or maybe get extraordinary renditioned some place.
Probably won't get due process.
probably will be tortured.
confessions under torture will probably be submitted to a military court.
military court will probably be closed.
student will probably be barred from hearing evidence against him.
military court wil probably then convict student in secret
and probably order a secret execution
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SpookyWriter
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Are we talking about the NSA here? 'cause I'm like not one to want a secret execution or nothing like that...greglondon said:
dclary said:
I think there should be a school for them.
"Okay, everyone--PAY ATTENTION, and come closer. I can only do this once..."
perhaps this shouldn't be about america at all, but rather on the topic of student unrest in iran.
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billythrilly7th
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I wonder which job would make me more nervous going to on a daily basis.
Training lions and bears for the circus, transporting sound sensitive ammunitions, or working as a Nuclear technician in an Iranian military facility.
"Goodbye, sweetheart, have a nice day at work!"
"Okay, see ya at 7...I hope."
All day long thinking..."Is today the day?"
Training lions and bears for the circus, transporting sound sensitive ammunitions, or working as a Nuclear technician in an Iranian military facility.
"Goodbye, sweetheart, have a nice day at work!"
"Okay, see ya at 7...I hope."
All day long thinking..."Is today the day?"
William Haskins said:
It was Iranian university students who planned and executed the storming of the US embassy in Iran back in 1979 when Carter was president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_hostage_crisis
That wikipedia article also mentions the 1953 overthrow by the CIA, which was why the students did what they did.
Given the international pressure on Iran over its nuclear technology, and given that our invasion of a non-nuclear Iraq basically broadcast to the world the meme "Disarmament is for Suckers", I'm not sure that Iranian students will see the overthrow of their leader as good for their survival overall. But they certainly do have a track record of being able to stand up to the big dogs when they see they've been wronged, so it should be interesting to see how this plays out over the months and years.
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They were shills to force moderate support of an extremist leader. They make him seem less extreme and serve notice that politics can get more radical. It is well executed propaganda.
I think the students were legitimately operating on their own at the beginning. But I don't think they had any sort of long term plan. They were concerned that the US was going to bring the Shah back, and they didn't want more torture, more secret police, more dissappearings.
once the students initiated their actions, I think some religious extremists saw an opportunity for political power and took it. I've read some viewpoints about the iranian revolution that there were some moderates operating in the beginning, but they got overwhelmed by the zealots.
Kind of like the way certain extremists saw 9-11 as a way to take over moderate america and turn it into a new empire based on unilateral american force.
once the students initiated their actions, I think some religious extremists saw an opportunity for political power and took it. I've read some viewpoints about the iranian revolution that there were some moderates operating in the beginning, but they got overwhelmed by the zealots.
Kind of like the way certain extremists saw 9-11 as a way to take over moderate america and turn it into a new empire based on unilateral american force.
Kentuk said:
an alternate version of this is they are CIA-backed psy-ops meant to agitate. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Bird of Prey said:
whether or not it does is up for debate perhaps. however, we do the ongoing struggle for human rights a grave disservice if we reduce these students to proxies for american policy and fail to acknowledge that the younger generation in iran has good reason to harbor real grievances against their oppressive rulers.
again, sir—there is certainly value in discussing the historical oppression in iran by various regimes, as well as the shortcomings of the US, but as this thread is about students in present times protesting the current regime, this particular conversation is best served by discussing the point at hand.
Bird of Prey said:
I wouldn't say to no avail. The picture of a young student defying a tank is flashed on the psyche of a generation and something that the Republic of China has to live down.
It takes real guts to defy a totalitarian regime. Many times more than students in the West protesting about segregation or Vietnam or Iraq.
We can. Count your blessings rather than looking for conspiricies.
Bird of Prey said:
There is a difference between the people who live in China under a regime where conforming can be the dfference between starvation and eating and China.
It's up to us to gradually change that.
William Haskins said:
If any guesses were to be made as to where these students would be coming from, a look at their complete history would likely be revealing.
Yes they're protesting the current regime, and it is likely that they won't be embracing the US with open arms either.
greglondon said:
What is the US? Is it a bunch of self seeking politicians or is it an ideal? I'd guess that a vast percentage of Americans believe in the ideal. And that is what is exported.
The major positive about democracy is that wankers have to account for their actions.
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