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Shweta
11-13-2006, 06:16 AM
Hey all,

I gave a talk on November 4th at the Conceptual Structure, Discourse, and Language (http://csdl.ucsd.edu/home/schedule.html) conference here in San Diego. It was titled "The Evolving Parodies of Barbara Bauer: creating a shared narrative by co-constructing mental spaces"

Which is to say that it was about how we used parody in the chat-room as a way to deal with both real problems and general unhappiness while the forums were down.

The room was full, and some very cool people were there, and the talk was very well-received, so it was pretty great! A couple times, I put a slide up and everyone started laughing. :D

Anyway, a couple people have asked to see my slides, so I have them in pdf form here for anyone who'd like to see them:

ETA: I've taken the slides down due to recent developments. Sorry.

It's a linguistics talk, and I tend to not put everything on the slides when I talk, so I apologize if it's somewhat incomprehensible in places. :tongue:

Bartholomew
11-13-2006, 06:17 AM
Ahhh, memories. ^_^

Alan Yee
11-13-2006, 06:20 AM
I'm getting all teary-eyed remembering those days. Those were fun.

ChaosTitan
11-13-2006, 06:55 AM
I didn't understand a lot of those slides, but very cool! I'm glad the talk went well for you. :)

Unique
11-13-2006, 07:05 AM
Sweet.


I wasn't there but I heard. A little [Y]ap told me. :D

Unique
11-13-2006, 07:32 AM
Shwebb and I are good friends.
I have the dirt on you, Alan.
heh

Shweta
11-13-2006, 09:35 AM
One of the more amusing moments was talking about it afterwards to Mark Turner, who is a leading light of my field, and incidentally married to Newberry-winning author Megan Whalen Turner. He has a slightly different view of the whole writers-community thing than the rest ^-^

Good Word
11-14-2006, 02:00 AM
I wonder what Ms. Bauer thinks of this.

JennaGlatzer
11-14-2006, 02:30 AM
He has a slightly different view of the whole writers-community thing than the rest ^-^

And you're just going to keep us in suspense about what that view is?

Tell, tell!

I still think it's hilariously awesome that we were the subject of an academic speech. :)

Birol
11-14-2006, 02:52 AM
Good job.

Dawno
11-14-2006, 03:16 AM
Fascinating! And I'm with Jenna - what was Mark Turner's perspective?

Shweta
11-14-2006, 03:29 AM
And you're just going to keep us in suspense about what that view is?

Tell, tell!

Oh um. I wasn't trying to be suspenseful. Just, Mark knows what writers go through, (and actually so does my advisor, because she's close friends with several writers), and nobody else in the room really had a clue. That was all I actually meant.

So when I put up slides about what writing is like and why writers are vunerable to frauds, we had almost all the audience learning somehing new and one of the top people in the field giving me a knowing smirk.


I still think it's hilariously awesome that we were the subject of an academic speech. :)

:D
It's kind of cheating, of course, to use writers as an example of spontaneous creative coolness. But hey.

Shweta
11-14-2006, 03:30 AM
I wonder what Ms. Bauer thinks of this.

:roll:

If I get a Cease and Desist, I'll let you know.

Alan Yee
11-14-2006, 03:38 AM
:roll:

If I get a Cease and Desist, I'll let you know.

Good luck. She didn't have the heart to send me a Cease and Desist letter. Probably because she soon had hundreds of other people to send them to. I feel so left out. :cry:

Shweta
11-14-2006, 03:55 AM
Good job.

Thank you.

:e2cloud9:

The best part is, it's done! Though, urk, I have to figure out if the conference has proceedings and if I have to write it up.:e2faint:

Higgins
11-15-2006, 11:18 PM
Thank you.

:e2cloud9:

The best part is, it's done! Though, urk, I have to figure out if the conference has proceedings and if I have to write it up.:e2faint:

I had no idea that some agent could just shut down a writing website. How is that legally possible? How did you get the site back up?

And think how discursively twisted it is that I had to figure that out from a cognitive linguistics presentation.

ChaosTitan
11-15-2006, 11:34 PM
I had no idea that some agent could just shut down a writing website. How is that legally possible? How did you get the site back up?

And think how discursively twisted it is that I had to figure that out from a cognitive linguistics presentation.

Someone with a better memory of events will probably come along, but IIRC, Babs threatened our server with a lawsuit, claiming libel because she was mentioned on the Bewares board and on the 20 Worst Agents list. The server caved, shut down the site.

It took time, and lots of sweat, blood, and tears from Jenna, Charlie, and the other Mods (plus a boatload of other wonderful folks), to get our database back.

All Babs succeeded in doing was getting her name and the 20 Worst Agents list Google-bombed all over the Web. We are all very proud about that. :D

Shweta
11-16-2006, 07:28 AM
My memory is that Babs complained about her email address being in a forum post, thus opening her to spammers. The same email address that's on her website.

I really majorly simplified for the talk. I only had 20 minutes. :)

Zonk
11-16-2006, 08:50 PM
You know, I have contemplated (seriously!) writing a roman a clef using the Barbarian Captivity as the basis, and then querying BeelzeBarb to represent it.

I just can't find the time.

Maybe we could do it collaboratively, in the spirit of Atlanta Nights.

Anybody game?:tongue



:D:D:D

Shweta
11-17-2006, 08:22 AM
:ROFL:

Genius, Zonkmeister.
Sheer genius.

AnneMarble
11-17-2006, 05:31 PM
And think how discursively twisted it is that I had to figure that out from a cognitive linguistics presentation.
:roll:

Kate Thornton
11-17-2006, 07:39 PM
You know, I have contemplated (seriously!) writing a roman a clef using the Barbarian Captivity as the basis, and then querying BeelzeBarb to represent it.

I just can't find the time.

Maybe we could do it collaboratively, in the spirit of Atlanta Nights.

Anybody game?:tongue



:D:D:DJeeze, count me in - whatta hoot!

Alan Yee
11-18-2006, 03:19 AM
Zonk, there's no way we aren't doing this without me. I started one for PA, but I didn't get around to finishing it because of an actual novel I was writing. Count me in! :D

Gillian
11-18-2006, 01:58 PM
As ever, I'm late - I had to wait till I got a chance to look at Schweta's slides. They were great, Schweta, and very perceptive - they made me look at us from an entirely different set of angles.

I'd love to hear about feedback and I hope you write it up as a paper. I write a bit about writers from time to time (but from a different academic angle, naturally) and really, really want to see what you have to say :).

Gillian

Shweta
11-19-2006, 04:17 AM
Oh wow, guess I'll have to actually write that paper...
:D

Shweta
03-15-2007, 02:32 AM
Update: Babs just sent the conference organizers a Cease and Desist.

I cannot decide whether to be annoyed (they might ask me to avoid using her name in the writeup where possible) or die laughing.

MacAllister
03-15-2007, 02:49 AM
Are they mutually exclusive?

Shweta
03-15-2007, 02:54 AM
Ummm... :checks her emotional state:
Apparently not. I just felt like they ought to be.

tjwriter
03-15-2007, 03:12 AM
What exactly is she demanding that they cease and desist about?

Because if it's just that you mentioned her name in context to the whole incident, then I'm going to start sending out cease and desist letters to all the people that have ever talked about me.

Shweta
03-15-2007, 03:16 AM
Here's part of the email I got forwarded, which I think is okay to post:


We recently received a complaint from a Barbara Bauer because she felt she was defamed by an abstract on the CSDL conference web site. While the complaint is almost certainly without legal) merit, I have removed the abstract title from the web site and made the abstract itself naccessible.

A quick Google search shows Barbara Bauer has a history of sending out such messages to any web site with comments she doesn't like. (Ironically, this is also the topic of the abstract.)

I can totally understand the university wanting to be cautious on this one. I'm not sure what to do about it. My preference is certainly for standing up to her, but it might not be their preference.

ETA: My abstract title was "The Evolving Parodies of Barbara Bauer" and the talk was about the ways in which AWers parodied her in the chat room. So yes, I am merely mentioning and analyzing things that actually happened.

tjwriter
03-15-2007, 03:19 AM
I woulda told her to eat dung. Preferably on the phone so I could laugh as I hung up.

victoriastrauss
03-15-2007, 03:37 AM
That's interesting. The conference organizers aren't the only ones who've gotten love notes from Babs recently. I can't say more at present, which should tell you volumes.

- Victoria

benbradley
03-15-2007, 03:39 AM
I didn't understand a lot of those slides, but very cool! I'm glad the talk went well for you. :)
This incident was before my time here, but I went through it all and, despite not having a lot of the real-time interaction in IRC and other chats, I've spent years and years on Usenet where some newsgroups chew up trolls and spit them out, so I understood all 96 (okay, 95, the last page is blank) pages. I've seen this play out many times when someone acting like they know what their doing jumps into a well-established, vibrant online community and ends up as part of the intellectual soup. It looked like entirely too much fun, sorry I missed it. Poor <Guest>.

Hoping the real Barbara Bauer got a legal nastygram regarding the time AW was down...

Shweta
03-15-2007, 04:05 AM
It was really emotionally tearing, Ben. It was also immensely fun when people were clever - one of the wonderful things about being here is the community of smart, literate, eloquent people. But.. at the same time it was painful, even for me, and I was a total newbie at the time.

The talk, now, was sheer fun :D

Alan Yee
03-15-2007, 05:52 AM
Update: Babs just sent the conference organizers a Cease and Desist.

I cannot decide whether to be annoyed (they might ask me to avoid using her name in the writeup where possible) or die laughing.

Took her long enough to find it, after four months. I tried as hard as I could to get one of her Cease and Desists, but I guess I didn't try hard enough.

Lucky you.

Shweta
03-15-2007, 06:29 AM
I'll share the Cease and Desist with you, as one of my stars, if you like Alan :)

PeeDee
03-15-2007, 06:58 AM
Babs isn't very smart about this stuff, is she? I mean, people are making noise about her....but making MORE noise about herself just calls the wrong sort of attention onto her, thus making matters worse...

Nope. None too bright. :)

Adam Israel
03-29-2007, 04:37 AM
I think it's worthwhile to mention that Ms. Bauer has gotten a lawyer and filing suit (http://p-n-elrod.livejournal.com/23100.html) against several people from AW and elsewhere. I looks like its still in the process of discovery but I can't imagine that she has much room to stand on legally.

rugcat
03-29-2007, 06:02 AM
Problem is, the filing of lawsuits as intimidation is a tactic that often works. Regardless of the merit (or complete lack of merit) of the suit, it's a hassle to get involved with the legal system, spend time in court, pay an attorney, etc. etc. For a lot of people, it's just not worth the hassle. Nuisance lawsuits are a scammer's stock in trade. They don't expect to win; they just want to make life so miserable for their critics that people will think twice about exposing them.

And even if they go overboard and one were to win some sort of judgment against one of these types, good luck in trying to collect. How much has OJ paid out on the civil judgment against him?

Those who stand up to the likes of BB really should be appreciated and honored--without them she'd be breezing along forever.

Zonk
03-30-2007, 12:02 AM
How do I always miss out on these things?

It must be because I'm a foreigner :tongue

I haven't been in the chat room for a while either. Maybe it's time for another play.

:D:D:D