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FatTire
11-04-2006, 01:25 AM
I'm talking an eye for eye here. If somebody does you, or somebody that you care about wrong, is it okay for some pay back? Nothing illegal or anything.

Carole
11-04-2006, 01:54 AM
I don't think so. Of course there are a million justifications for it. I still don't think it's right. I guess that's because I believe in Karma. If they do me wrong, they WILL get what's coming to them. It doesn't have to be from me. "Needing" or wanting to see it come to payback is childish.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to rectify a bad situation that someone else created for you, but that doesn't mean an eye for an eye to me. If someone hurt my name, I would want to clear it up. I shouldn't want to soil theirs on top of it, though.

jbal
11-04-2006, 01:57 AM
Carole- the question was is it ever justified? How could anyone say no to that? Say someone harms my child for example. It may be wrong to retaliate, but surely I would consider it justified. I do agree with you though.

Danger Jane
11-04-2006, 01:59 AM
I guess I have to say no, but hey, not like I'm not guilty of it, too.

Okay I admit it, I'm guilty of the "an eye for a papercut" variety. But then again, I don't exactly lash out at people who don't deserve it. Just sometimes they don't deserve it at that specific moment. And if someone harmed my child (who won't exist for a couple of years at least, I'm predicting) or my little sister (who has existed for 7 years) I would do a little more than an eye's damage.

eldragon
11-04-2006, 02:00 AM
I don't think so. Of course there are a million justifications for it. I still don't think it's right. I guess that's because I believe in Karma. If they do me wrong, they WILL get what's coming to them. It doesn't have to be from me. "Needing" or wanting to see it come to payback is childish.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to rectify a bad situation that someone else created for you, but that doesn't mean an eye for an eye to me. If someone hurt my name, I would want to clear it up. I shouldn't want to soil theirs on top of it, though.

That's taking the high road, which isn't always that easy to do. In a perfect world, yes.

kristie911
11-04-2006, 02:00 AM
Absolutely! If someone hurts my child, you can bet I'll be taking matters into my own hands. And conside it justified. Heck, when someone hurts me, depending on the situation, I feel completely justified in getting even. Whether that hurt is physical or emotional.

But that's just me.

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 03:00 AM
I'm talking an eye for eye here. If somebody does you, or somebody that you care about wrong, is it okay for some pay back? Nothing illegal or anything.

After one takes a cooling off period of no less than 48 hours after a certain incident and this said one always uses common sense and extreme restraint when dealing with the offending Human Being animals on the planet, I think it's fair to say that in certain situations it is okay for payback.

Nothing illegal or anything.

Maybe just something similar to the end of In the Bedroom or what happened to Joe Pesci and his brother in Casino.

Pat~
11-04-2006, 03:04 AM
Sure payback is justified--it's just that I'm not justified in doing it ;) .

Freckles
11-04-2006, 03:26 AM
My gut feeling is no. We'd all like to think we operate with our superego, but emotions are a powerful thing. They can take over you and make a rational person do what some would call irrational things.

I'm of the mind, though, that we can't really say something is ever justified or unjustified until we've walked in the person' shoes.

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 03:26 AM
As soothing as revenge may be, I believe in Payback more as an instrument of behavioral modification in the hopes of making the world a better place for your fellow human.

A bully is picking on someone.

You punch him in the face.

Hopefully, he stops picking on people because he's learned a very valuable lesson.

Someone cuts you off in traffic and almost kills your family. You run him off the road, take your son's little league bat from the trunk and destroy his car headlight to headlight.

Hopefully, he drives more cautiously in the future and you save that next family that might not have been as lucky as yours was to avoid the maniac.

Thank you.

BardSkye
11-04-2006, 03:41 AM
I wear a button that says "We should forgive our enemies, but only after they've been taken out and shot."

'Nuff said?

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 03:44 AM
I wear a button that says "We should forgive our enemies, but only after they've been taken out and shot."

'Nuff said?

Absolutely.

Where can I get one?

Freckles
11-04-2006, 03:47 AM
Send one of those buttons my way as well. Great!

CBeasy
11-04-2006, 06:19 AM
I truly believe that Ghandi was correct when he said "An eye for an eye makes the world blind." I also believe strongly in karma, meaning that things will balance out without my interference. That being said, I think that in some situations, one's personal mental stability rests on seeking retribution. It might not be the most intelligent or responsible decision, but sometimes it does feel damn good.

Ol' Fashioned Girl
11-04-2006, 06:24 AM
I'd like one of those buttons, too!

BardSkye
11-04-2006, 06:50 AM
I've had that button for about 20 years and don't remember where it came from. Flea market, I think.

It's probably in the public domain by now.

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 07:07 AM
I only found a keychain.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000HLGO2K.01-A2Y624Y5TXKSKI._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V61795368_.jpg

C.bronco
11-04-2006, 07:10 AM
It is if its a movie with Mel Gibson

Kendra
11-04-2006, 07:49 AM
I truly believe that Ghandi was correct when he said "An eye for an eye makes the world blind." I also believe strongly in karma, meaning that things will balance out without my interference. That being said, I think that in some situations, one's personal mental stability rests on seeking retribution. It might not be the most intelligent or responsible decision, but sometimes it does feel damn good.
I think it could fall very flat too. When we seek revenge -- although understandable -- we make ourselves as bad as the wrongdoer. It's also giving them power in our lives that they shouldn't have. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. It's already taken care of by the forces of the universe.

Susie
11-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Payback is wrong, but with some of the horrendous cases I've heard on television, I sometimes think payback would or should be justified.

TsukiRyoko
11-04-2006, 08:59 AM
Oh my yes. My justification for payback is "Satisfaction". There's nothing better than the sense of completion you get when you kick the living sh!t out of someone to even the score.

Do I really feel this way? ...Not for the most part. But I still do it.

BottomlessCup
11-04-2006, 01:53 PM
Sometimes, we must be karma's agent.

That's all I'm saying.

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 01:58 PM
Sometimes, we must be karma's agent.

That's all I'm saying.

:ROFL:

"We all work for the big man upstairs."
Shecky Greene
1958
Kutchers Resort, the Catskills

billythrilly7th
11-04-2006, 02:04 PM
I truly believe that Ghandi was correct when he said "An eye for an eye makes the world blind."

An AWESOME, BRILLIANT statement, but ludicrously(or however it's spelled) incorrect.

Sounds nice, but luckily, the majority of the time, things happen and then end.

A bully beats someone up and then you beat the bully up and he learns his lesson and it ends. It doesn't keep going.

For every Israel/Palestine you have a thousand payback situations that don't go any further. Japan attacked us. We ...uh...let's say....returned the favor in a big way. Now, we're best of friends.

"Life ain't a game of dominos."
Mohatma Thrilly
1947

Godfather
11-04-2006, 03:25 PM
i think payback is justified, yeah. but, the way i see it, it keeps goin' 'round and 'round. it doesn't end.

some guy hits me, i hit him back, his big brother hits me back, my big brother hits him and his big brother. it just keeps going. violence begets violence, you know?

the way i've seen it so far, what goes around comes around. karma or whatever it might be. but sometimes you don't think, and you get revenge. maybe the world considers that wrong, and karma sorts you out for getting revenge.

i think it's definitely justified. but it doesn't always work out for you in the end. but in some situations, it's almost necessary.

i don't know man, you do what you gotta do. if somebody hurts my kid, i'd would want payback, and i deserve it. problem is, that payback might cause more hurt to my kid..

you do what you gotta do..

GPatten
11-04-2006, 04:53 PM
Justified?

If someone slights me, no, I believe in Karma.

If someone harms me, Yes, I believe in an eye for an eye, and a hundred times more.

FatTire
11-04-2006, 06:43 PM
I too believe in karma. But there are times when I feel as though I must act a little, or a lot of, pay back their way. I always feel conflicted in what to do. Some time I just let it go, as was the case when a fellow teacher told on me for leaving early. Though this teacher is alwasy up in everyone's Kool Aid, she didn't know that I had permission to leave early.

But I feel as though this person when a bit too far yesterday with me. I could take the high road and let it be, or I could give her a taste of her own medicine.

I still have yet to decide. I could always email her phone number to Clary and Billy and ask that they handle it. But that would follow under pay back. I'm sure Clary would call her every 60 seconds, confusing her phone number as a message board.

whistlelock
11-04-2006, 06:56 PM
Not enough options! I refuse to vote. Where's the small yet viable third and fourth party votes? This two choice business is anti-democratic.

BradyH1861
11-04-2006, 08:17 PM
I paid someone back the other day.....with interest. It felt great!

janetbellinger
11-04-2006, 08:20 PM
I don't think so. Of course there are a million justifications for it. I still don't think it's right. I guess that's because I believe in Karma. If they do me wrong, they WILL get what's coming to them. It doesn't have to be from me. "Needing" or wanting to see it come to payback is childish.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to rectify a bad situation that someone else created for you, but that doesn't mean an eye for an eye to me. If someone hurt my name, I would want to clear it up. I shouldn't want to soil theirs on top of it, though.

I believe in karma too. What goes around comes around. There is no need to do anything to pay back