When will decent committed religious Christians stop listening to these guys, and sending them the rent money?:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/
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Yet another one
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When faith takes over from fear in the religious arena.
Or when the motivating factor for religion is faith instead of fear.
Whichever you like best.
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Based on that article alone, the guy's not got a case to answer... yet. There's only somebody making accusations, but he won't substantiate them.
I wonder if "people are supporting him via PM's and rep points" as well.
I wonder if "people are supporting him via PM's and rep points" as well.
He did resign, though, didn't he?
Here's a little more background from Salon's Lauren Handler, who wrote a book called "Righteous: Dispatches from the Evangelical Youth Movement," as I'm really not well-versed in this area. Of course, being from Salon, she's more likely to come from a liberal POV, but this description seems fairly straight-forward.
Here's a little more background from Salon's Lauren Handler, who wrote a book called "Righteous: Dispatches from the Evangelical Youth Movement," as I'm really not well-versed in this area. Of course, being from Salon, she's more likely to come from a liberal POV, but this description seems fairly straight-forward.
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billythrilly7th said:
I am shaken to the core.
You said something that I not only kinda agree with, but my immediate reaction was not to punch your avatar.
This is the end times! Prepare for the rapture. I agree with billy t!
Though in fairness, believe what I tell you or you're going to hell kinda makes faith about fear, doesn't it?
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there are reports that he has "admitted to some guilt but not all the allegations" but there is no detail, and he just resigned - not looking good - again its not about being gay but about the hypcricy, if at least some of the allegations are true, then hes one of the biggest hypocrites in the world- damaging? you bet -but then you have to wonder why now right before the election and not four monhts ago
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Unfortunately this can be said about every single story that comes out in October before every election. It can't be avoided. Stuff happens. Sometimes it happens in October.
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or what it's worth....
Not every accused is necessarily guilty although most of them are...
Regardless, I think we all learned a good lesson here and I, for one, will be a better man because of the Ted Haggard incident and rush to judgement.
Thank you.
Not every accused is necessarily guilty although most of them are...
Regardless, I think we all learned a good lesson here and I, for one, will be a better man because of the Ted Haggard incident and rush to judgement.
Thank you.
polygraph tests are not often accurate and its weird that the guy would suggest a test if he knows hes lying - i think we need some time to determine who is lying
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And if he had passed, you'd have a problem with those results too, right??
And let me make this clear, I can't stand these robbin, thievin, hypocritical fear mongers, (as Bono said, "'My god ain't short of cash, Mister) but I also can't stand innocent people and people who have been "accused" of something not even given a fair shot.
In this country it's automatic guilt. From the Duke Lacrosse players to this hump.
"YET ANOTHER ONE!!!!!"
That's it!!! Guilty!!!!
He was ACCUSED of something by god knows who.
Guilty!!!!
Sad state of affairs.
And let me make this clear, I can't stand these robbin, thievin, hypocritical fear mongers, (as Bono said, "'My god ain't short of cash, Mister) but I also can't stand innocent people and people who have been "accused" of something not even given a fair shot.
In this country it's automatic guilt. From the Duke Lacrosse players to this hump.
"YET ANOTHER ONE!!!!!"
That's it!!! Guilty!!!!
He was ACCUSED of something by god knows who.
Guilty!!!!
Sad state of affairs.
i am not disagreeing with you but i am not going to say haggard is guilty or jones is lying but you seem to say oh jones didnt pass the test so he must be lying which i just say 'not necessarily so' - now haggard admitted to buying meth (but threw it away) and getting a 'massage' but no sex you kind of have to wonder - it just doesnt make sense to get a 'massage' for a gay prostitute and buy meth but throw it away - again i am not saying hes lying and thats why i am saying give it time and the truth may come out but so far the meth thing checks out (whether he did throw it out or not) so you have to wonder what else is there - it so easy to say 'i didnt inhale' and 'i just let the guy touch me for a massage' - but like i said it doesnt make sense of a guy like him to buy meth but doesnt take and hire a male prostitute for a massage only - but i am not going to say hes lying until we know for sure and i wonder if we will ever know for sure... and i do hope that you dont jump to conclusion and say haggard is innocent either, but yeah innocent until proven guilty but i am not betting on it, thats all
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aghast said:
The serious part of that post was "For what it's worth..."
Everything that followed was the not necessarily serious part.
"For what it's worth" means...."here's an update for ya,
"Hopefully after a little more time spent here, you'll get a feel for what being Thrilly is all about.
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All I want is fairness and lack of hypocrisy.
If the Haggart dude took the lie detector test and failed...
"He failed!! That's it!!! Guilty!!!"
But he doesn't even need to take it for that as I mentioned.
All across America...
"This person did this!!"
Thread: Here we go again!!!
Post: Another truck driver buys apples from an illegal alien! Here's the link....Guilty!!
It's sad.
And more often than not, the hypocrisy of the human animal comes out in these situations.
If it's YOUR guy...it's a defending.
If it's the other guy...it's a bashing.
No due process.
No nothing.
Sad.
Thank you and good night.
If the Haggart dude took the lie detector test and failed...
"He failed!! That's it!!! Guilty!!!"
But he doesn't even need to take it for that as I mentioned.
All across America...
"This person did this!!"
Thread: Here we go again!!!
Post: Another truck driver buys apples from an illegal alien! Here's the link....Guilty!!
It's sad.
And more often than not, the hypocrisy of the human animal comes out in these situations.
If it's YOUR guy...it's a defending.
If it's the other guy...it's a bashing.
No due process.
No nothing.
Sad.
Thank you and good night.
From NBC tonight:
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.
Mike Jones, the 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week, quickly refuted Haggard’s denial.
Shortly after Haggard told reporters outside his home, "I bought it for myself but never used it. I was tempted, but I never used it,” Jones told MSNBC-TV’s Rita Cosby that Haggard snorted meth in front of him about once a month for two years.
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.
Mike Jones, the 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week, quickly refuted Haggard’s denial.
Shortly after Haggard told reporters outside his home, "I bought it for myself but never used it. I was tempted, but I never used it,” Jones told MSNBC-TV’s Rita Cosby that Haggard snorted meth in front of him about once a month for two years.
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For the record, I'd bet my beer money that the prostitute meth dealer(his parents must be proud) is telling the truth.
But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a "pile on, he's guilty, regardless of truth, jump to conclusions based on our biases" society.
And that's a shame.
But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a "pile on, he's guilty, regardless of truth, jump to conclusions based on our biases" society.
And that's a shame.
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billythrilly7th said:For the record, I'd bet my beer money that the prostitute meth dealer(his parents must be proud) is telling the truth.
But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a "pile on, he's guilty, regardless of truth, jump to conclusions based on our biases" society.
And that's a shame.
Yeah, but who has the time or desire to wait for a year-and-a-half for the case to be finally adjudicated before "concluding"? I need it now, man! Snap, pop, and it's on to new business.
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TheGaffer said:
In some Christian circles though, that only means that the church he worked for could have pushed for his resignation. Sort of an added insult to the 'Pile-on' mentality that Thrilly has been talking about.
Like Thrilly, I think this is a very sad state of affairs. In the United States, the rule "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't seem to hold much weight any more.
innocent until proven guilty does not apply to the rich and famous and powerful, and its a shame but thats how it is in our societies - oj simpson, guilty, robert blake, guilty, paris hilton, guilty, mel gibson, guilty, michael jackson, guilty, mike tyson, guilty, the enron guys, guilty, foley, guilty, tom delay, guilty, the clintons, guilty - so will we say the same abou cheney and gwb say about illegal war related activities - ha, right - can we be fair? there is certainly partison politics here - the same people who dogpiled on hilary clinton over whitewater are probably those who are saying oh come on, we shouldnt judge haggard, the gay escort must be lying...
billythrilly7th said:
Maybe. But there's a long history of thick smoke associated with this particular sort of fire, and this one sure doesn't look any different.
And you yourself would never make such a jump in regard to, say, John Kerry or Hilary Clinton, would you, Thrills?
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Billy, you're certainly correct about what you're saying.
I think people are jumping on the hypocrisy more than anything else - a gay-basher now accused of a gay tryst. And then his non-denial denial (I bought meth but didn't use it, I got massages but not sex) is just fantastical.
But yes. This has become a "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" kind of culture, just as political elections have become "HORSE RACE CENTRAL" kind of culture, too. And everything's become overpoliticized to the "if he's my guy I'm defending him" and vice-versa, which makes me pretty sickened. And we saw it with BIll Clinton, just as we see it with this guy, and many others.
I think people are jumping on the hypocrisy more than anything else - a gay-basher now accused of a gay tryst. And then his non-denial denial (I bought meth but didn't use it, I got massages but not sex) is just fantastical.
But yes. This has become a "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" kind of culture, just as political elections have become "HORSE RACE CENTRAL" kind of culture, too. And everything's become overpoliticized to the "if he's my guy I'm defending him" and vice-versa, which makes me pretty sickened. And we saw it with BIll Clinton, just as we see it with this guy, and many others.
aghast said:
Another point to be made here is that, for the most part so far, this isn't a legal issue (though the meth thing might get to that). It's a matter of his association with a private entity (his church and evangelical organization), the laser-beam hypocrisy of his behavior (even the portions he has so far admitted to), and public opinion of those things, which doesn't require unanimity of a jury.
So, I reiterate my original question: Why do people keep making these guys filthy rich?
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blacbird said:
Not John Kerry. Although a hump, a decent man. I'd give him the benefit oif the doubt in a scandal situation. The other has a scandal sheet a mile long.
So, not so much....
Obama: No jump.
Reid: Yes jump.
First time offenders get much more slack. But I still don't immediatly thing "guilty!!" I wait to see the evidence flow in before my ultimate verdict.
Thank you.
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