refriedwhiskey
Hey, Flawed, I thought I'd move this to the appropriate forum.
In the Horror forum, you said "the fact is, Tolkien doesn't own the high fantasy genre, and he didn't create it."
I'm not sure that's entirely correct. The elements common to so many contemporary novels of what we call "high fantasy" all came from Tolkien: noble sylvan elves the size and shape of humans (before Tolkien, an elf was a little mischievous creature, like a sprite or a fairy); bellicose, bearded dwarves; orcs; evil wizards/dark lords in distant, dark towers; the race for possession of a tremendously powerful magic artifact; etc.
Is there another novel that brought all of those elements together prior to the publication of The Hobbit in 1937? Maybe you know of one; I don't. Certainly if there was one, it wasn't as well known or influential as The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
I think Tolkien did invent most of the conventions we find in today's high fantasy. He may have borrowed some words and some creatures from folklore, but even those he synthesized and changed to make them part of his own unique world.
I think any contemporary novel that contains these elements (or even a few of these elements) is, if not a ripoff of Tolkien, certainly in great debt to Tolkien.
Tolkien created Middle Earth in the image of ancient Europe and Britain because he was an Englishman who felt that his country needed a new mythology to call its own. So why do so many American fantasy writers set their own novels in worlds that feel so much like Middle Earth? I would much rather see a fantasy novel with a wholly original setting -- like Card's Alvin Maker novels or Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy -- than another novel set in another Iron Age or Medieval European setting with elements lifted from Tolkien.
And, unfortunately, in my experience, fantasy writers who try to emulate Tolkien -- whether consciously or unconcsciously -- tend to copy just the most superficial elements and miss what made Tolkien's novels so great.
(I definitely disagree with your assertion that Tolkien is not the greatest writer of high fantasy. He's far and away the best I've read. I'd be interested in checking out whoever you think is better.)
In the Horror forum, you said "the fact is, Tolkien doesn't own the high fantasy genre, and he didn't create it."
I'm not sure that's entirely correct. The elements common to so many contemporary novels of what we call "high fantasy" all came from Tolkien: noble sylvan elves the size and shape of humans (before Tolkien, an elf was a little mischievous creature, like a sprite or a fairy); bellicose, bearded dwarves; orcs; evil wizards/dark lords in distant, dark towers; the race for possession of a tremendously powerful magic artifact; etc.
Is there another novel that brought all of those elements together prior to the publication of The Hobbit in 1937? Maybe you know of one; I don't. Certainly if there was one, it wasn't as well known or influential as The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
I think Tolkien did invent most of the conventions we find in today's high fantasy. He may have borrowed some words and some creatures from folklore, but even those he synthesized and changed to make them part of his own unique world.
I think any contemporary novel that contains these elements (or even a few of these elements) is, if not a ripoff of Tolkien, certainly in great debt to Tolkien.
Tolkien created Middle Earth in the image of ancient Europe and Britain because he was an Englishman who felt that his country needed a new mythology to call its own. So why do so many American fantasy writers set their own novels in worlds that feel so much like Middle Earth? I would much rather see a fantasy novel with a wholly original setting -- like Card's Alvin Maker novels or Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy -- than another novel set in another Iron Age or Medieval European setting with elements lifted from Tolkien.
And, unfortunately, in my experience, fantasy writers who try to emulate Tolkien -- whether consciously or unconcsciously -- tend to copy just the most superficial elements and miss what made Tolkien's novels so great.
(I definitely disagree with your assertion that Tolkien is not the greatest writer of high fantasy. He's far and away the best I've read. I'd be interested in checking out whoever you think is better.)