It's a Good Thing We're Getting those WMDs in Iraq...

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North Korea claims nuclear test


SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Monday claimed it has performed a successful nuclear test, according to that country's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).
South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported.
The apparent nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials.
 

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Well, obviously we're not going to invade a country that actually has nuclear weapons. That's crazy.
 

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Oh, Christ, let's just invade everybody and get it over with.

caw.

lol. I certainly don't think invading is the answer; however, having all our troops tied up in the quagmire of the Middle East really makes it difficult to handle real crises.

Just a thought: N. Korea puts a few nukes down on Iraq. What would happen to our military presence in the world?

That is a frightening thought...
 

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Well, if Japan is still as mad as last time (earlier this summer), they're likely to invade North Korea before anyone can talk them out of it. Japan's PM wanted to blow NK off the face of the Earth a few months ago, and he's already declared these tests as "unpardonable" and such, so I think Japan should be a focus of concern regarding the volatility of this situation.
 

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I don't forsee an invasion. I do, however, see...yes, yes...there it is... A surgical strike on NK's nuclear facilities with a squadron of B-1 bombers, complimented by a dozen or so Cruise missles from the Sea of Japan.

Caveat- Keep in mind I use a worn-out spark plug from 5.0 liter Briggs and Sratton lawn mower instead of a crystal ball.
 

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blacbird said:
Oh, Christ, let's just invade everybody and get it over with.

caw.

Or...we invade nobody and just say we did. Sort of the tail wagging the dog in reverse. Whaddya think?
 

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N. Korea doesn't have oil, nor does Bush Sr. have unfinished business with them.
 

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Liam Jackson said:
Or...we invade nobody and just say we did. Sort of the tail wagging the dog in reverse. Whaddya think?

This idea has merit. Run it by the spin doctors and we'll have the whole world believing it by next week.

Good show, Liam. ;)
 

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Yeah! Because if we believe "mission accomplished," we'll believe anything :D
 

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If we get hollywood and Madison Avenue involved, we'll even have North Korea believing they were invaded and overrun in a pitched 30 day war. As terms of surrender, we offer Kim his own sitcom on the WB and a contract pitching Chunky Soup with Donovan McNabb.

(Damn, why didnt we do this with Iraq?)
 

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From the article:
"The field of scientific research in the DPRK (North Korea's official name) successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9 ... at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation," KCNA [the official news agency of North Korea] reported.
It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad...

Of course, this is a result of a poorly conceived diplomatic solution that had only one possible end-game scenario--it was always only a question of 'when,' never 'if.' Thank you, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
 

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I'm not sure I can stop at Jimmy Carter, Rob. Problems with NK go way, and our long-standing diplomatic position with China only helped foster the current situation. We're about to pay for that in spades in the near future, I'm afraid.

For those who fear an American invasion of NK, rest easy. China will never allow the US a stronghold the size of NK on its border. They know that and we know that. Distance warfare, however, is another matter. And yes, it was only ever a matter of 'when' and not 'if'.

Of course, I could be wrong.
 

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Liam Jackson said:
If we get hollywood and Madison Avenue involved, we'll even have North Korea believing they were invaded and overrun in a pitched 30 day war. As terms of surrender, we offer Kim his own sitcom on the WB and a contract pitching Chunky Soup with Donovan McNabb.

(Damn, why didnt we do this with Iraq?)

We could call it, "Everybody Loves Kim Jong-il." Heck, maybe we could put him in a sitcom with Saddam Insane and make it a modern-day Odd Couple.
 

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Liam Jackson said:
I'm not sure I can stop at Jimmy Carter, Rob. Problems with NK go way, and our long-standing diplomatic position with China only helped foster the current situation. We're about to pay for that in spades in the near future, I'm afraid.
In my ideal world, we would have no diplomatic or economic relations with China--but I'm a hard @ss.

Still, it's the stupidity of naive diplomats like Carter that insured the realization of North Korea's nuclear weapons program. Hell, UN and U.S. dollars paid for most of it. And still, the people starve. Great, an "everybody wins" scenario...
 

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robeiae said:
From the article:
It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad...

Of course, this is a result of a poorly conceived diplomatic solution that had only one possible end-game scenario--it was always only a question of 'when,' never 'if.' Thank you, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

Ah, yes, when all else fails, let's drag out the ol' Bill-Clinton-is-at-fault rug and beat it a little.

caw.
 

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Well, if Japan is still as mad as last time (earlier this summer), they're likely to invade North Korea before anyone can talk them out of it. Japan's PM wanted to blow NK off the face of the Earth a few months ago, and he's already declared these tests as "unpardonable" and such, so I think Japan should be a focus of concern regarding the volatility of this situation.

Japan's not about to invade anybody, least of all North Korea. Their military is miniscule and not equipped for any form of foreign military adventure. The North Koreans, on the other hand, are by all accounts, what, the third or fourth-largest standing military in the world? And one of their few exports is what, weapons?

On the other hand, I doubt China would permit North Korea to go very far beyond bluster. They're now diehard capitalists, political totalitarians yes, but "communist" in name only, in complete rapture about the world commercial market. And doing a damn good job it, too, I might add. The last thing they want is a land military confrontation involving foreign powers on their doorstep.

caw.
 

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We could go back and talk about our weapons program with Iraq, too.

Anyway, now we're proposing sanctions. Wow, that ought to work. Why, after $400B spent in Iraq, the best we can come up with about NK is sanction.
 

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blacbird said:
Ah, yes, when all else fails, let's drag out the ol' Bill-Clinton-is-at-fault rug and beat it a little.
Oh, my point of blame here is not that North Korea has nuclear weapons; it's the attitude on display on this thread.

But even so, it's kind of funny to watch revisionists at work, so by all means, continue...
 

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Let us not forget that they've made this claim before and it was discovered that they had shoved a bunch of tnt in the ground to simulate a nuke.

wait for confirmation from independent testing currently underway. all we know right now is that there was a blast.

more importantly, if we keep telling them their tests are fake, how much of their hypothetical nucleur material will be lost to more testing?
 

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Let us not forget that they've made this claim before and it was discovered that they had shoved a bunch of tnt in the ground to simulate a nuke.

wait for confirmation from independent testing currently underway. all we know right now is that there was a blast.

more importantly, if we keep telling them their tests are fake, how much of their hypothetical nucleur material will be lost to more testing?
 

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maestrowork said:
We could go back and talk about our weapons program with Iraq, too.

Anyway, now we're proposing sanctions. Wow, that ought to work. Why, after $400B spent in Iraq, the best we can come up with about NK is sanction.

What's to sanction? Like, we give them sooooo much support now.

caw.
 
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