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All:

If you're seeking a subject-matter military expert who's currently deployed to an undisclosed location in the Middle East, I'll take your questions.

I am an enlisted noncommissioned officer in the Air Force with 18 years of experience. I am a military journalist and public relations specialist. I am deployed at a location with a highly specialized and secretive mission. I wear tan colored clothing every day. :)

If you'r wondering what we eat, where we live, what we do on down time, how we keep in touch with our families or some mission stuff that I can reveal, post your queries here. I'll be here until January.

v/r, Jason
 

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What do you eat when deployed? What are sleeping/bunk arrangements like? How old is the average base soldier and how much freedom is there for someone to get in trouble?(ie can they steal a jeep for an hour and go offroading? can they target practise cans?

And most importantly for my new WIP, how is the soldier's relationship with the military contractors? do those guys stay on base and if so do the soldiers get along with them?
 

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Hey Jason
Saying hello and hope you are watching yer back...
as we say in Hebrew..
Tishmor Al Atzmacha...
(which btw for all those who don't understand is a nice way of saying
Cover Your Arse.)
 

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Hi, Jason.

As we say in America, "Vaya con el Dios."

And while you're at it, CYA too.

Looking forward to occasional reports, if your time allows.
 

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Responses to Gromhard ...

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Kewl

What do you eat when deployed?
Taxi cab drivers. Actually, depends on the location, but almost every location has some sort of full service dining facility, usually contracted to local civilians or a company like KBR. At our facility you can eat three served meals and the facility itself is open 24 hours for things like snacks, salads, candy, ice cream and drinks. You can also make sandwiches. I'd rate the food here a B-. Somedays, excellent (Schwarma, steak, fajitas) and other days, not so much with the excellent, but that's cafeteria food anywhere.


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What are sleeping/bunk arrangements like?
They stack us three high on flimsy chunks of plywood. In our underwear. Smelly. Actually, we're two to three to a room. Men and women are separated. Also, one cannot go into the other's quarters, period. NO cohabitation. The rooms are air conditioned (thankfully). These rooms are relatively new, supplied by the host nation and they are fine (also included are a wall locker and a night stand). Previously, we were in tents and many actually liked it more because it felt more like you were deployed. Now, the setting has become more formal; bureaucratic. However, in the dormatories, it's like a four-month "spend the night at a friends house."


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How old is the average base soldier and how much freedom is there for someone to get in trouble?(ie can they steal a jeep for an hour and go offroading? can they target practise cans?
Good question. The average age is probably 27, but the majority of the population is younger. And, if you reflect on your own youth, youth do get into trouble (I have a streak of trouble a half-mile wide myself from my youth). However, there are harsh policies for dealing with those kinds of things. From what you wear to how you salute is policed. Discipline is paramount in an environment like this. I had to pull someone aside last night -- a man -- for pouring water on a young woman's white T-shirt. Sure, fun at spring break. Not in a military setting. The myth is is that it all looks like "Full Metal Jacket." The reality is that it is nothing close.

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And most importantly for my new WIP, how is the soldier's relationship with the military contractors? do those guys stay on base and if so do the soldiers get along with them?
It's great. We have many contractors here brought from the states. The relationship is fantastic -- we couldn't fight the war without them. They stay on base. The eat, sleep, dance and play with us, too. They are Airmen like we are helping to fight the war. We get along well.

Keep your questions coming and thanks for the praise and good wishes.

Shalom, Jason
 

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gromhard said:
Kewl

And most importantly for my new WIP, how is the soldier's relationship with the military contractors? do those guys stay on base and if so do the soldiers get along with them?

Hi, gromhard. I'm a KBR contractor over here west of Baghdad. I'm working at a location that jst5150's friends refer to as Camp Cupcake. We have it real good here. I hope he doesn't mind me putting my two cents in from the other side of picture

The relationship between contractors and soldiers is mostly good. In the beginning (2-3 years ago) there were a lot of problems. Mostly it was due to us not being prepared for the size of the operation or how difficult it is to get supplies. Now, we work well together. We secretly work on their projects when they need us and they secretly help us with some of ours. We tend to be good friends with Prime Power and the Seabees. But don't tell anyone...

We all live on the base, here, but in seperate camps. We play together at the MWR, gyms and such, but live seperately. Some of us, military and contractors, live in tents and some live in containers (usually called "cans" or "hooches"). The containers are just big metal rooms with bunks and wall lockers. Some of them actually have bathrooms inside. If the cans are "dry" then there are what we call AB units (for ablution) skattered throughout the camp in pairs. One will have showers and one will have toilets. There are also numerous port-a-johns all over for when we run out of water or power. All the container camps, even the military ones, are managed by civilian contractors. The tent cities are usually run by the military but we do all the maintenance.

Sorry that got so long. I just don't get to explain it to many people.
 

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Madonna cannot act ...

So, life deployed to the Middle East continues with some good ol' fashioned American boredom. Here's an example:

The cable network we get here -- called "Orbit" -- is at this moment showing a Madonna film, I think it's called "Swept Away," and it has to be in the top 5 or 6 worst films ever put to celluloid. I'm not kidding. She's some rich woman who gets stranded with a Greek/Turk/Italian/French/Brooklyn fisherman dude and they, of course, fall for each other after he forces her to kiss her feet and tenderize octopus (I wish I were making this up). And, might I add, there's no nudity or gratuitous sex in any frame.

Ooooh -- Madonna's trying to cry now!

Also worth noting there are bets going on here to see when the first sub-100 degree day will hit and we gave away an XBox 360 at Bingo last night.
 

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A recent photo inside one of our hangars.
 

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Hi. Just curious. Concerning Iraq, how restricted is freedom of movement is for journalists? Is it really as bad as they say (i.e. walk out your front door and never be seen again five minute later?) In years past, Bosnia and Beruit weren't exactly cakewalks but the reporters there seemed to be able to get around.
 

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Sorry fo the late reply. Hope you're still around. I can tell you what I know from reporters and from the military.

Reporters have told me it is bad. Regardless of military escort, it is still dangerous business to get First Amendment news out of Iraq. Kimberly Dozer of CBS is an example of having an entire brigade of protection and having that fail with on IED.

That said, Ed Bradley has categorized it as the same when he sat in the trenches in Vietnam. It is, after all, what combat correspodants do. However, what many reporters still believe is that wars are fought in trenches by columns and rows of soliders on a battle field. They have not leanred the word "asymmetrical" nor have they received enough education to react properly. If given my experience and work with news media, and just plain good ol' hearsay, I'd say Chritiane Amanpour gets it. A few others.

In the end, the reporter has to be smarter than the people fighting the war and understand a new way of doing business.
 

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Update on life in the middle of the desert.

First, this is very much like being on a cruise ship. Well, there's no water. There's no boat. But you are confined to a small area of living, your food is free and generally, it would be fine if you were only doing the cruise for 7 days.

Now, imagine you're on a cruise ship for 131 days.

And you can't get off.

And the same baked cod crosses your plate every 8th day. You've played shuffleboard. You've tanned. You've splashed around the pool. You've samba'd, mambo'd, two-stepped, and salsa's so much, your feet have blisters. You've watched the same dirty old men chase after the same flirting young girls for weeks. And for eight hours a day, you are part of the crew, working to keep the cruise ship afloat.

That's what it's like.

Eventually, things just get old. Stale. You have to find new ways to break the monotony. Even sitting around our small club, you'd think you'd never run out of conversation. But you do. Someone's told me the same story four times now. I simply nod and think about something else as it's told.

And did I mentioned the two-beer limit? It's a privlege to get any alcohol at all. But the two-drink thing seems to rub people the most.

I've been on this cruise almost 40 days now. I'm still searching for the port, but that's about 87 days away.

v/r, Jason
 

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Beer!?!?

You have beer? You must be on one of the upper decks. We don't have any legal alcohol and buying the black market stuff means risking burning a hole in your stomach. But I do know of people who spend $80 - $100 a bottle and get two or more a week. I can't see wasting my money.

On the good side, contractors (at least KBR) only have to be here 120 days at a time then they can take 10 - 28 days for R&R somewhere.

You are right about it getting old. You work, play and sleep with the same people 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You get so tired of the same stories, jokes and opinions. When a new person comes in they are either swarmed for fresh talk or shunned because they haven't found their place in the pecking order. Depends on the shop.
 

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This week, I'll discuss the Desert Queen (if Wishwords doesn't beat me to it!).

v/r, Jason
 

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re: reporters

Wow, thanks. It just seems like reporters have become a little more timid since Vietnam. Back then, you'd read about journalists helicoptering into Khe Sanh or advancing with a marine squad into Hue during the Tet Offensive. Or going back further, to landing with the troops on D-Day or up on the front lines in the Pacific.

Then again, if I was a reporter in Iraq, all I'd do is find the deepest, most secure bunker in the Green Zone and rewrite press releases, so who I am to talk? :)
 

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I'm fascinated. I hadn't realised boredom would be such a big thing. And having just read Compton Mackenzie's Whiskey Galore, I'm (heartlessly - pls forgive) amused to find that rationing alcohol really does affect people's preoccupations and behaviour.

I was reading somewhere that naval carriers are about the closest thing we have to the closed world communities that would be the start of space colonisation. What you're describing isn't that shut in re supplies etc, but the challenge of seeing the same people all the time - makes an interesting starting point for a novel.

Take care wherever "over there" is,

Jenny
 

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Desert Queens and all things sexual in the Desert

So, it's important to note that before I begin this thread on Desert Queens, there are Desert Kings. However, there's just no such term. And given the way our patriarchal society works, well, women just get low-balled (so to speak) anyway with the derogatory terms. In any case, my disclaimer is this: what I'm about to describe is a 'Ho. Period. It could be a man or a woman, but, in most cases -- at least in the desert -- a desert queen is just that.

Disclaimer ended. On to our program ...

As you may know, American military people deploy for different lengths of time. Some for as little as 60 days, some for as long as a year or more. In between, there are different stints. Mine is 120 days (really, with travel, about 131 days). In any case, in the Air Force, it's called a TDY. That's short for "temporary duty assignment" (you can work the abbreviation math out on your own).

Now, when some people get to wherever they are deployed, they return to old, fast habits: smoking, drinking, and, of course, womanizing (or man-a-nizing, if you will). On the smoking thing, it's baffling to see so many people lighting up here, and the variety of tobaccos is also strange (we get Cuban cigars here if that's your thing; I do not smoke). Drinking here is controlled, as mentioned in my previous post. It's two drinks a night. The only thing I'd say to this is that people gameplan what they will drink and figure out how much it will get them drunk. The most potent drink is a Shiraz wine (go Australia!) and it's about 15%. You can get two large plastic cups of it (about a half pint) and then, most of the chemists mix that with Sprite -- and it lasts most of the night. Alcohol works the same on people here as it does anywhere else (important to note with the given topic). But I'm off track. Back to the 'Ho'ing.

So, the final part of the equation is the eventual rise (and fall -- heh heh heh) of hormonal levels. There are some people who just simply have to get laid wherever they go regardless of circumstance or barriers. To prove it, many of those same people take their wedding rings off on the plane ride over here so the indentation will be gone by the time they start laying their mack out for all to see. That's men. For women, it's a different game.

Women don't need to take off their rings. Don't have to. Men chasing them don't care anyway. "Men are dogs." "Men are Neanderthals." Choose your poison. However, women do is size each other up (as women are prone to do) physically -- hair, face, make-up, voice, walk and, of course, weight. And really, there's not much women can do here to get gussied up. No need, really. So, what they've got to flaunt is natural, off-the-shelf goods. So, that's what the girls are gaming each other on when it comes time to do the one thing that starts the process -- seeking attention.

There are also very few women here. So, middle-of-the-road people become Supermodels. Plus they have a captive audience and know they can make the best of what they get. In other words, 2's become 10's. 1's become 10's. Decimal points become 10's, and so on.

Now, the beginnings of this start on the plane ride over from wherever you're coming from ("Is she cute?", or "Wow, she's hot. Gotta keep an eye on her."). Then people start oogling at a unit level ("Look at how her t-shirt sticks out on top," or "Those BDU pants sure are tight in the bubble area."), but ultimately -- at least here -- the real playpen for all this activity is a place is a small club where the drinking, smoking and socializing gets done.

I'm not a sociologist, but I'll play one on this post. Usually, the number of guys surrounding a women equates to how much those guys are after her. I'd also say that if a woman is surrounded by five or more men for more than three nights, then she's been anointed a Queen (and she's also a whore for attention). Usually, you can count the number of guys around a woman and figure she's probably the hot commodity -- for the moment. All that said, there are a select few women (and men, I suppose) who aggregate more attention because they want men to do that. They are also, well, 'Hos. As they aggregate attention, they are also lining up ways to have sex with them. No relationship. No commitment. Sort of a "Combat One Night Stand." They are in the moment of being somewhere where they believe there are no repercussions. And, bada-boom, things happen. (again, my caveat stands -- men can be 'Hos, too. It's just not as socially overt).

That said, it is VERY difficult for two hormonally hopped up people to have an encounter here and elsewhere in the AOR (which is an abbreviation for "It's ChunkyC's birthday -- I kid, it means 'area of responsibility,' essentially, wherever American forces are in the Middle East). Men cannot go into women's dorm rooms. Vice versa. So, whenever two people commit to doing the horizontal bop, there simply aren't a lot of horizontal places to do it. I'll name a few that have actually been used to be clear:

-- Bunkers. Giant cement shelters filthy with sand, poorly lit and open to the world (no doors). Check.
-- Locked offices. Probably the most useful but 1). One of you has to have access to that office, 2). it has to be empty and 3). you have to hope the cops, who do regular patrols, don't stumble in.
-- Dumpsters. No, I'm not kidding.
-- Any sort of recess, storage closet or hidey-hole you can imagine on the ground, in a building, in a vehicle or elsewhere.

This, dear reader, is the Desert Queen's playground.

Now, to be further qualified as a Desert Queen, she must:

-- Constantly vie for attention from men (or, women, all flavors)
-- Put the wood to two or more guys during a rotation
-- Be recognized by the surrounding deployed community of folk as a Desert Queen (and word gets out fast)
-- Realize the she is a commodity because demand has well overtaken supply

I'd liken it a little to the first few years of college, but dirtier; more primitive -- there's plenty of sex, less booze and so much experimentation.

Now, the majority of men and women aren't Kings and Queens. That's why one or two get the title. There's always one, so she gets crowned "Queen," and so on. So, for the empowered out there, it's important to note there are plenty of women who have been sexually harassed and have reported it. I'll say that again -- they have been sexually harassed (i.e., approached by married men, approached by a man, approached by higher-ranking men; and so on) and reported it. There is, in fact, a fairly decisive means of abating the behavior. And the people doing it know it. Unfortunately, almost all queens and kings would rather live the rush of the moment -- and ultimately get caught.

Here's what will happen if you get caught: First, you'll be dressed down by your commander. I've had it happen for other circumstances. It's unpleasant. For this, I'd guess it's even worse. If you're married, you'll be brought up on adultery charges. There's also the "disobeying a lawful order" charge. Please don't forget all the potential ancillary charges that go with it ("conduct unbecoming" and so on). Then, you lose money -- generally between $150 and $600 a month for at least 3-6 months. That hurts. And, because you so flagrantly violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (the codified law of the US military since 1950), you'll probably be busted down a rank, or two. Commanders and the judge advocate decide.

Younger military people are usually prone to the behavior. However, a woman who is a medic here was hit on by a 42-year-old, higher ranking man -- on the plane over here. So, you never know.

To wrap this up, the Desert Queen is a woman/man seeking attention, usually from many, to satisfy an insecurity or a need. Usually, will 'Ho around with five or 10 people; sometimes more. Usually will get caught. Usually will do it again and again on multiple deployments and tours overseas.

There are hundreds of other anecdotes, corollaries and sidenotes I could bring up here. However, it's an old saw that still cuts.

Next post: are we at war or not?

v/r, Jason
 
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Bump. Sorry, just want people to read my 1,500 words on Desert Queens today. :)
 

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Jason, I have a couple of questions for a WIP.

1) A Sergeant commits an assault on an American civilian. What would the consequences be? Dishonorable discharge? If jail time, military prison or civilian?

2) Do soldiers get early honorable discharges on compassionate grounds? Elderly family member needs him back after a death.

If you don't know, pointing me in the direction of websites or relevant offices would be a help.

And finally, as a Canadian, I'm proud of our guys in Afghanistan and I am very grateful to the Americans who have had to do a lot of the heavy lifting out there.
 

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Hi Wyzguy:

Thanks for your interest. Here are some answers:

1. All of what you mentioned are potential consequences. Worse for the sergeant, he can be tried twice -- in a military court and a civilian court, depending on where the crime was committed. There would also, of course, be any civil suits that followed. A "ballpark" sentence would be 25 years in a military prison (plus whatever civilian jail time), dishonorable discharge, reduction to E-1 and forfeiture of all pay and allowances. The dishonorable discharge also means a full loss of benefits.

2. Yes. All the time. It's up to the soldier's commander and others to evaluate the circumstances and what is in the best interest for the military service. If the soldier can't function as a result of his loss -- too much mental anguish or family needs him back -- those are absolutely ground for an administrative discharge, which would be honorable.

I can offer more detail to this if needed. I'm proud to serve along side all countries in this effort. It's a tough haul from any angle.

Again, thanks for the questions.
 

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A "ballpark" sentence would be 25 years in a military prison (plus whatever civilian jail time)

That seems really high for an assault. American citizen in America is the setting. Wouldn't most assaults get a few years max? Or is it greatly different for the military?

By the way, I discovered this thread through the poetry. Like it. Looked up your profile.
 

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Obviously, it varies by the assault and the defense attorney's ability. I may have been thinking of murder when I wrote the number of years. It ws almost 12:30 a.m. So, more toward 3 to 5 years then. Either way, more harsh than a civilian court might levy because of the military's values system.
 

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"Are we at war or not?"

So, I mentioned, for this post, the theme would be "are we at war or not?" That's a question that comes up quite a bit from Airman to general. It gets asked -- hypothetically, of course -- because of the routine that develops. Even here, organizations get stuck in ruts. It's easy to do when you're so focused on carrying out our missions, which vary from refueling other aircraft to other things I cannot mention here.

There is a feeling amongst many here that if soldiers are told they are at war, and are trained to be at war, then they want to be at war. So, all the sterotypical images come to light -- soldiers in trenches, airplanes dogfighting in the sky, soldiers fighting in the streets and so on. It is difficult for an Airman, sometimes, to connect with that, especially when they provide financial services or act as a paralegal. It's not that they don't want to connect. It's just that because of their duties, they are disconnected from the pure warfighting process.

I can only speak for Airmen. I am an Airman. So, we work with airplanes. We fly them. We fight with them. We fix them. We support their operations. In that sense, we work on an air base. It's well-protected because of the airplanes. So, we're well protected. Insulated. Our work receives no friction from outside sources. Whereas, soldiers and Airmen in, say, Balad, Iraq, are attacked almost every day. Same in spots in Afghanistan. All of that is important to note.

So, when you're sitting at a dining table in a chow hall, eating a tray of food, watching a television with a satellite feed, there sometimes can be a disconnect. When you're playing pool in an air conditioned facility, disconnect. Swimming in the pool? Disconnect. And so on. These facilities are available almost everywhere else, save some of the hardcore spots. So, I'm not saying we have it better than others (OK, to be fair, I AM saying we have it better than others; but as a matter of circumstance, not choice). But over time, these privileges form disconnects. Then the disconnects string together to form routine. Routine puts us in a rut. The rut leads to the question that starts this post.

The remedy? Sometimes, it's easy. You take the person in the rut out to see the airplanes. You help him understand the mission at a closer proximity to the pure warfighting than what he is normally exposed. You ask that person to become more involved. You help him discover (or rediscover) the reason he decided to take a huge cut in pay, wear a military uniform and leave his family.

Whatever the circumstance, asking the question is not necessarily a philosophical argument. The Global War on Terrorism is a new kind of war. It's fought asymmetrically. The US, its allies and partners, are learning what that means every day. To fight that war doesn't mean constant columns of soldiers taking bullets ("Forward he cried ... from the rear ... and the front rank ... died." -- Pink Floyd). It also doesn't mean we're constantly dogfighting. Nor does it means were street fighting, either (though, for the Army and Marines, it happens plenty).

Rather, everyone who wears a uniform has to discover his link to the war. And when he asks himself "Are we at war or not?" he must also entrench himself in the answer. And if that means he shouldn't be wearing a uniform, then when he gets home, he makes some decisions.

I am a soldier at war. I understand my role. I am a very small piece of the diplomacy arm called "military engagement." Some don't get that. Others do.
 
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