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I'm sure they're ready.

Or at least would have been, if we'd invited Hezbollah over to help recovery instead of depending on FEMA.

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You have more faith than I do, same mayor, same governor and same levees. Oh, yes and same piss poor planning.
 

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I'm pretty sure the same buses are there, waiting to not be used, once again.
Only this time, there's a much better excuse, they don't work.

They announced earlier that the levees won't hold up. No sh!t.

And yes, Nagin will put into action the same plans he didn't the last time. So NO (Nagin's "chocolate town") should be in fine shape, I think.

'Course, he did ask, yesterday, why it was taking NYC 5 years to fix a hole in the ground. That followed someone asking him what was taking so long to get things rolling in NO.
 

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Katrinas one year anniversary is next Tuesday. The casino my husband works for is opening next Tuesday, too. It took an entire year to rebuild.

We can't afford to be out of work again. NO WAY.

We have spent the bulk of our savings living during the past year. (We never applied for assistance, we had saved for an emergency.)

If another hurricane hits here - we're selling our house and moving to another state.


As far as New Orleans goes, that city is still a depressing disaster area. Nobody lives there anymore, basically. Much of the town is in unlivable condition - with no power for blocks at a time. You have to see it to believe it.

And the MS Gulf Coast, where Katrina hit - bears little resemblence to the place it was a year ago. But, this state has cleaned up alot of the debris. There is no comparison between Mississippi and Louisiana, although some areas of Mississippi are still suffering badly.


I mean, it will take years to rebuild the coast, and the antebellum homes are gone - but at least it has power and has been cleaned up. Main bridges are still gone - traffic is a nightmare now.

The casino my husband works for, owned by MGM - says they have to go 4 years without hurricane damage, or they will have to close for good.

Cross your fingers, four years is a long time.
 

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Jean Marie said:
'Course, he did ask, yesterday, why it was taking NYC 5 years to fix a hole in the ground. That followed someone asking him what was taking so long to get things rolling in NO.

The 'hole in the ground' in NYC is at least cleaned up... and waiting for people to decide what to build in/on/around it. Seems like Nagin's still sitting around waiting for the rest of the US to come in and do it for them.
 

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Ol' Fashioned Girl said:
The 'hole in the ground' in NYC is at least cleaned up... and waiting for people to decide what to build in/on/around it. Seems like Nagin's still sitting around waiting for the rest of the US to come in and do it for them.
Same as he was waiting for the rest of the US to help him figure out how to enact "his" plans the first time around.

Thing is, the hole in the ground in NYC is sacred ground, a burial ground. Too bad numnuts doesn't realize that.

But since he was already bought and paid for, why break in, pay for and train a new mouthpiece for NO.
 

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According to Jeff Master's blog, which we follow when it comes to the weather / hurricanes; Ernesto could do just about anything - go just about anywhere.

It's too early to tell.

It might become a hurricane or it might dissipate completely. It will probably become a hurricane, though, as conditions are favorible.

Where it goes is anyone's guess - Florida Keys to Texas and even to Mexico.


Unlike last year, when we said "anywhere but New Orleans," now we're saying, "anywhere but the Gulf Coast of Mississippi."


(PS ...........Tropical Storm Debra was supposed to have formed into a hurricane by this weekend, and it dissipated .........so here's hoping Ernesto follows her.)
 

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We can all pray, but the conditions that the NHC is forecasting are not good. It will get into the Gulf and someone/somewhere is going to get hit.
 

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BTW - I'm not defending Nagin - but have you guys any idea of the enormity of the project you're talking about regarding New Orleans?


160,000 homes were destroyed.

80% of the city flooded.


They have disaster tours, because unless you see the wreckage of New Orleans, you won't believe it.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/travel/15324540.htm

The above link is a good article to read.

Here's a great two paragraphs:


I was unprepared for the vastness of it, and other people commented that they were, too. As I looked at this sadness and wondered how these neighborhoods could ever rebuild, Smith addressed my question in a startlingly concise way.
"You come back to your house," she said. "You look down your street. Every house is a wreck, like yours. The weeds are high, all over the place. And you look around, and it's totally empty. You're the only one around. What are you going to do? Are you going to be the only person living on your whole block or for blocks around? Are you going to come back? Are you going to walk away? These are decisions that people have to make, right now."

Seeing New Orleans a year after Katrina is truly a shock to anyone. They are going to have to bulldoze 2/3 of the city. And, imagine how many people have to be contacted : property owners of every parcel of land.


The French Quarter, so I've heard, is doing a bit of business, and it was the least damaged area of the city.

So, I recommend everyone book a ticket to the Big Easy and stay a few nights and come see for yourself what the city of New Orleans has to overcome.
 

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Pam, I'm sort of down on him and the Governor for their lack of action when they knew it was coming and for the finger pointing. Everyone screwed up. But that was one hell of a storm...the question I have is what are they doing right now, with Ernesto looking like it's heading their way? What did they learn?
 

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All you need to know about Nagin is right here.

I seriously doubt Ernesto will strike any part of the U.S. as a major hurricane. Too many things (weather wise) are conspiring against it for it to do so. Still, be prepared.
 

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All you need to know about Nagin is right here.

I seriously doubt Ernesto will strike any part of the U.S. as a major hurricane. Too many things (weather wise) are conspiring against it for it to do so. Still, be prepared.
Define major? anything at or above Cat 2 you don't want to be near and it is going into the Gulf.
Are we taking bets?
 

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Robert Toy said:
We can all pray, but the conditions that the NHC is forecasting are not good. It will get into the Gulf and someone/somewhere is going to get hit.

The major problem with Gulf hurricanes is that once they get there, they tend to wallow around in that rather stagnant and hot Gulf of Mexico water and gather strength to become slow-moving monsters. That's what happend with Katrina and Rita last year. When they did make landfall, they were far worse than they likely would have been had they stayed east of Florida.

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There are two things that won't help you when deciding against hurricane action: praying and betting.

Hundreds of people were doing those things last year when a wall of water came in and drowned them.

Meanwhile, I read Jeff Master's blog and evacuated my family to a Marriot in Montgomery, AL.


But now we live 30 miles from the coast, in a 115 year old house made like a fortress. This house stood through Katrina un-protected, and suffered NO damage.

Nobody 30 miles from the coast evacuates.


We will, however, lose power during a hurricane, and in fact - the area we live in now did not have power for about 2 weeks, whereas the coast (where we lived then) had power up for us in 7 days because of all the outside help.


The only thing we really worry about, though, is my husbands job.
 
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'Course, he did ask, yesterday, why it was taking NYC 5 years to fix a hole in the ground. That followed someone asking him what was taking so long to get things rolling in NO.

My God, what a great question. As a NYer, that hole in the ground is a constant reminder and an open wound that just won't heal. Why is it taking so long? Because we hold design contests, announce winners, change the rules of the contest, pick someone else to do it, ask them to make 55 billion changes, listen to people who don't know jack about how to build structures, argue over who has the right to decide in the first place, hold memorial services, then go back to arguing over who has the right to decide and what should we build. All when the majority of NYers say JUST BUILD THE DAMN THINGS BACK THE WAY THEY WERE AND GET OVER IT!

Just as we aren't really prepared for another terror attack, we arent prepared for another major storm to hit NO. But we seem to have this magic thinking going. No, it won't happen. If it does, we are prepared.

The thing is - standing around talking about being prepared isnt doing jack sh!t for the people who live there.

Sure, we can have busses, take them to another state or pack them back into the Superdome like sardines, but who takes care of them emotionally? How do you tell people that the meagre belongings they have accumulated since Katrina got washed away by Ernesto - here's a debit card - go buy some more.

Yet in California, when there is an earthquake and a major highway or bridge disappears, they roll up their sleeves and build another one in record time -- better and stronger. They have the right idea, but in NY and NO all we seem to be able to do is talk the talk.

As an architect I have favored rebuilding the Towers since 5 minutes after the second one fell. It's a matter of dignity and pride to me. I believe we should learn lessons from the disaster, make suitable changes in the plan, and just build. The families want the footprints of the original preserved, and that is fine. The site is a 16 acre square. The first ones were built diagonally on the Northeast and Southwest corners - so reverse it. Build on the other two corners. But build -- and show the world we werent beaten.

It seems to me we knew from about 5 minutes after the Army Corps of Engineers repaired the levees that they were only temporary measures. Yet a year later, there they sit. How long do you wait until you do something more lasting?

My heart goes out to the people of NO. My prayers are with them now. However, it seems that as long as we are experiencing global warming and the temperature of the oceans is increasing, the 'canes will come - and continue to get worse.

Here on Long Island - that fish shaped island sticking out in the water below Connecticut, we are being told to expect some bad 'canes this year too. Anything that comes up the Atlantic coast hits us dead on -first strike. Are we prepared? Hell no.
 

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Here's where I track hurricanes:

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc06/ATL/05L.ERNESTO/ssmi/gif/full/Latest.html

You'll notice that the projected strength of Ernesto is just barely a category 2 at the last point. And this projection is idealized; it assumes Ernesto will progressively strengthen. I think even this is a bit of a long shot. Course, I'm no meteorologist, though I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
 

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The major problem with Gulf hurricanes is that once they get there, they tend to wallow around in that rather stagnant and hot Gulf of Mexico water and gather strength to become slow-moving monsters. That's what happend with Katrina and Rita last year. When they did make landfall, they were far worse than they likely would have been had they stayed east of Florida.

caw.
Exactly.
 

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Interesting (already had link a long time ago). I have a place down at Gulf Shores, MS. I'll let you stay in a Cat 2 and see what you think of it....:D__________________

You mean Gulf Shores, AL.?


It's still not the same since IVAN.


(I was there just before Ivan, and we visited again two months ago.)
 

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Robert Toy said:
Interesting (already had link a long time ago). I have a place down at Gulf Shores, MS. I'll let you stay in a Cat 2 and see what you think of it....:D
Dude, I was in Coral Gables during Andrew--ask me about it and I'll tell you what a real hurricane is like.
 
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