YA books involving alcoholism

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I was wondering if there are any current yA books out there where the main character is an alcoholic and what htey were. I tried to search amazon, but maybe I'm not using the right search criteria.

I'm asking because I've written a 90k novel about a 19year old sorority girl that I thought was women's fiction, but I had a revelation last night that I could try and sell this to an agent as YA. There is sex in the book and an eating disorder, which I think are both fine for YA (the sex is not graphic). My only concern is that the character starts on a downward spiral of alcoholism, ends up in the hospital at one point. Is that kosher for YA?

Also, I realize my word count is currently too high. My next question would be, what's the absolute max of YA. I'd have to be ruthless in my cutting. 75k too high?
 

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Those type of issues are fine for YA. I just can't think of examples at the moment.
 

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I hope its ok because I started a book yesterday, based on a friend of mine, that has a lot of drug use/alcoholism, suicides, depression, etc. I think as long as you aren't glorifying it, (that would probably meet with opposition from someone along the way) it would be fine and certainly relevant to being a teen. Teens aren't little kids, even if we think they can't handle something, the reality is they go through things like that on a day to day basis.
 

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Here's the blurb for the novel:


It all starts with one small fib. Most girls downplay the number of men they've slept with. Not Mandie Shaffer. Thinking she’ll gain the respect of her promiscuous college peers, she exaggerates her lacking sexual history. Soon, her first lie multiplies: a false pregnancy, a car accident blamed on an icy road instead of alcohol, and a tragedy too horrible to face. As the school year progresses, she struggles to keep up the facade she's created, hoping this racy and cavalier version of herself is better than the innocent and naive original.

Her lies escalate to a point where Mandie is caught in a destructive web of her own invention, no longer able to tell the difference between what is real and what she imagines. She meets Corey Taft, a rowdy fraternity guy with a closeted sensitive side, and he makes her feel grounded. But when Corey bails on their potential relationship without explanation, Mandie spirals over the edge of her impending self-destruction and starts down a path of alcoholism and anorexia. Fessing-up to her lies may the only way to save her life, but for Mandie, the cost may be just too high.


So it's not hte main plot, but most of the scenes occur in bars and a lot of the actions and events happen only because the characters had been drinking.

Still not sure if this is YA.
 

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There is a market for riskier YA topics. Teenagers, especially older teens are much more aware of these types of topics today. there are books out there about sex, teen pregnancy and substance abuse. Real kids do face these issues and have choices to make. A lot of kids know someone who has an alcohol problem or eating disorder. Adults seem more likely to be shocked than the teens. If the matter is handled responsibly and shows the consequences of the bad decisions, (which yours certainly sounds like it does) then I say by all means proceed to query it as YA. Just my opinion.
 

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I'm thrilled that this c an be YA since my other WIP manuscript is also YA and that will help in establishing myself in a particular genre.

Any thoughts on the word count? Amazon is all over the place with YA word counts according to my surfing today.
 

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Reds, Lisa Bright and Dark, Maybe I'll Be Home in the Spring (yeah, all old titles I know), but my point is they all had topics like that ... way back then.

It seems to me that how you present the topic and where you send it to will make the difference.
 

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There can be a lot of variance in word counts, but for a first time author 50-70 is a safe range. Yours seems geared to the older end of YA (truly YA in my opinion) and I would say you are probably safe in the 60-70K range.
 

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Cuteshoes,

Your book sounds perfect for YA. All the plot lines...drinking, promiscuity, peer pressure....these are all primo YA topics. It seems to me a lot of the posters here at AW are blending the line between mid grade and YA. Potter books are mid grade. Until Harry starts doing drugs or something equally daring, he'll stay mid grade. The YA mark is not only about reader age, generally closer to 12-18 and anywhere from 50,000 words to 90,000, but more about issues. YA books tend to dabble in more controversial and current topics. Alcoholism is definitely appropriate for YA books. To be safer, you might bring your main character back to senior year of high school. It's possible some teen readers/editors might be put off by college age characters for a YA book. Your topics are equally relevant for high school kids as they might be for college age characters.

Best of luck!
 
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Speaking along these lines...

My main character is a senior in high school (18). What would be the reaction if I had him sneak in a bar underage. Too much?

Or how about a casino and he loses all his money?
 

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K-Mark,

I think you need to write a believable book and stop worrying about what is okay and what might not be okay. As long as it could happen, write it. You can worry about appropriateness later. Make it real. Make it believable. Write from your gut.

YA is less rigid about that stuff than, say, picture books might be. Be true to your characters and true to your story.

I suppose if you glorified the sneaking and gambling you might run into barriers, but basically if the guy gambles and learns a valuable lesson, you're good.

Seniors in high school get fake ID's. It's common. I don't now if they can sneak into casinos but if you write it as believable and you don't glorify it, you're good.

Bottom line? Worry less about "rules" and more about your writing. Write it well enough and all the other stuff takes a back seat.
 

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The story can't work in high school because most of the plot focuses on the fact that the characters are in sororities and fraternities and the parties, interactions, and restrictions that come from those.

My character is only 19 but made her fake id on photoshop and laminated it with a ceramic hair iron. So high school students can definately get fake ids as someone asked on here.

I'm thinking about not specifying a genre when I query but rather giving a couple examples of similiar subject books. Someone mentioned I AM CHARLOTTE SIMMONS by Tom Wolfe to me. I started reading the 277k monster this weekend, but the fact that its set in college and features an innocent girl who gets corrupted might be a great book to compare this to. Mine is very different in other ways, thankfully.

Another thing that might steer this away from YA is that it starts out with a lighthearted voice, but as the mindstate of the protag gets more messed up, the prose becomes more poetic and literary, giving the story a surreal feeling. Some people who read the book said that it might be classified as literary instead of YA. Another reason I don't want to specify a genre. I'd rather a publisher do that I guess.

I'm about ready to query, just doing last minute revisions, but its at the point where I'm putting in commas and taking them out again. Not really changing the plot, only some sentences.
 

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Cuteshoes,

Write the best book you can write. Send it off to agents who deal in adult and YA. Let them decide where to market it.

We writers fuss way too much about silly details. If an agent thinks you have a publishable novel, they will work with you and sell it where it belongs. In your query you will share enough information for the agent to place whatever marketing label on your book he/she sees fit. I don't see a lot of reason for you to slap restrictive labels on your own work at the outset. Describe your plot and characters and leave the rest to them.

It really is that simple. The hard part is writing the publishable novel.

It's putting the cart before the horse to stress about markets.
 
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Jimmer said:
...To be safer, you might bring your main character back to senior year of high school. It's possible some teen readers/editors might be put off by college age characters for a YA book. Your topics are equally relevant for high school kids as they might be for college age characters.
It might depend on the publisher. I have seen some YA books that were set in the early years of college -- in fact, these are often the ones that deal with heavy drinking. :D Of course, I can't think of any right now, except "that one where the guy participates in drinking game and dies at the end or something." It's possible there's an audience of older YA readers who are sick of reading about kids in high school and want to read about kids starting college, because they're going to college soon.

I definitely have seen YA novels where kids got drunk, drank and drove, got hooked on drugs, slept around, cheated on tests, sold drugs, started their own numbers racket, assaulted people (both physically and sexually), etc. I think I've seen everything except YA books about cannibalism. Whoops, don't want to give anyone any ideas...
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cuteshoes said:
Id really be interested in the drinking college books. I tried to search on amazon but I can only come up with a few high school ones.
Aha! Try Jeremy Iversen's YA book 21.That one's about a fraternity, the whole thing.

You can sometimes find more hits by using Google to search Amazon. For example, I found that one by Googling the terms Amazon "young adult" fraternity drinking or something like that, and then clicking the link to search only the Amazon site.

Also, check with libraries as they sometimes have lists of book recommendations, reference books about children's books, etc. Or they might even let you borrow their copy of Horn Book magazine. :D Also, library sites can help. This site includes some YA recommendations by topic, including alcoholism, etc.
 

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This is where I am coming from. the 21-year old drinking crowd. However, those kinds of books are borderline YA/Adult. And I'm think they are more adult.

I wrote two of these books (from a guy's perspective) and the general consensus from the agents was "lad-lit" is dead. Maybe it would be different if they were chick-lit, who knows.

So now, I am taking these books and de-aging the characters. I'm making them seniors in high school and rewriting the books for that crowd. I am hoping there is a market for YA boys. Mixed reviews on this, we'll see.

The problem is that most of my scenes take place in bars. I am switching a lot of them to house parties, etc. But as for YA with 21 year olds, I'm not sure that would work. Maybe there are a few that made it, but I would guess 18 year old protaganists would fit better. Then again maybe I'm wrong.

Only one way to find out.
 

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You know what? I just thought of something as I wrote my last post. I wrote a short (65,000 words) 20-somthing novel about some girls and guys on a pub crawl. All the characters are 21, so I thought it was lad-lit. Now after reading AnneMarble's post about 21, I wonder if I have a YA book on my hands and didn't know it.

I'm going to change my query and try sending it out as YA. Let's see if this works.
 

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Run with it...

Cuteshoes,

I will add one more vote saying your topic is fine for YA and I would go with it. The issues are real. I am sure some people would rather have their teen reading about more "pleasant" things, but the fact is teens deal with those issues on a daily basis as part of real life... dealing with them in a book can't do any harm. In fact, it could be benficial. It seems you really believe in what you are writing and that is awesome... stick with it. I also think 90K words is nothing too troubling. My first book was about 47K but it was geared more towards middle grades. For the audience you are targeting, I think they can handle a 90K book. Perhaps it could be a bit shorter, but I don't think it is anything extreme right now.

All in all, I think you have some great ideas and a good direction in your work and I hope you keep plugging away with this. I look forward to hearing about the book's progress!
 

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Whoo-Eee! I am glad to hear 90K is a hefty YA book! I am writing one, MC 14 year old boy and am at about 40K. I wondered how much story was left to make it to 90. It feels near done to me, maybe 20K left.

My MC's father is alchololic and there is a lot of how it feels, how the boy survives, dad's rcovery, etc. I wondered if that were a stale subject although it is not all the story by any means.

Glad I found this thread!
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60K is pretty darn near perfect according to most of the publishers guidelines I'm seeing Paint. You're in good shape.
 

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Here's an update:

Seems my book is not too edgy at all. I have an offer from one agent and a few more agents getting back to me very shortly. The book got tons of attention, very quickly. Within a few days I had an offer of representation, which enabled me to get the other agents to agree to read the book in less than a week. I'm doing rewrites for another agent (my dream agent! - cross your fingers for me) that I have to get to her by mid-week. No complaints on the sex or the alcoholism from anyone.

I ended up cutting this book down to 72k before I queried.
 
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