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kay5
08-10-2006, 08:09 PM
Just wondering if anybody knows what rules there are about checking into hotels when you're under 21.

I want to know mostly because of the Celine Convention as I will only be 18 when that happens and am really not sure if I'll be able to get someone to go with me, because I'd probably have to pay for them myself, and don't really know anybody, aside from my Gramps, who likes Celine and would have enough money, and I highly doubt he would be interested enough in a Convention to go.

Thanks for any info. *smiles*

alleycat
08-10-2006, 08:15 PM
18 is the legal age in the US. You can sign contracts, check into motels, and do most everything . . . except buy alcohol in certain locations.

Hey, look, I made my first every post in the Celine Dion thread. I need to look around for a bit . . . nice couch.

kay5
08-10-2006, 08:52 PM
Really? Cool ... it's the legal age here in Canada too but I thought you had to be 21 to do those things in the US...anyway...thanks for the info!! That solves a lot of problems!!

Filine
08-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Welcome here Alleycat ;) at the end of the long dark corridor...we have indeed an excellent couch personally purchased by Jenna ;)

darryl
08-10-2006, 10:20 PM
Kay the hotels etc mostly care about getting their money. So as long as you aren't 16 or 17, they don't much mind. You have to have photo id and credit card, both in your name. They don't go for cash or debit unless you are willing to pay the entire bill upfront, and even then they are wary since how can they bill you for incidentals etc- you could leave without paying. In addition, the credit card is a way they can recoup damages since you are liable for those regardless of credit limits. After that, not much is required. Rental car companies are more anal about such things, and typically don't like under 24.

The 21 thing is for drinking, and such.

Given what is now happening with Airplanes, and given the ongoing battle over requiring passports from Canadians going to the USA, I'd get a passport for sure. They last 5 years so the cost isn't that bad, just a pain getting the photos, authenicator signature and such. I bet the USA stops thinking about not requiring Canadians to have them since the british thing happened this week.

I can't quite remember the age for the show, but I would suspect it's typical 18.

I can't think of anything else were age is an issue- other than spending any real time on the casino floor itself, you just have to walk around the edges to go to the shops and restaurants.

Finally, there will always be some senOre citizens there as well, we can put extra batteries in our walkers and be your "adult accompaniment".

:D

alleycat
08-10-2006, 10:32 PM
And since the discussion has turned to Canadians traveling in the US (and there's a comfy couch), be careful about coming to the US, then flying out and coming back in. I have a Canadian friend who came to the US, then took a trip to Mexico, then wanted to come back into the US. Uh, oh. No go. It ended up being quite a hassle.

eldragon
08-10-2006, 10:39 PM
Unfortunately, though, if you are talking about seeing her in VEGAS, the rules are different there.


They will let you check in the hotel and eat in all the restaurants, and walk through the casino on the way to a restaurant or exit - but no lingering.

Casinos won't just let you walk around, sight-seeing in the gambling areas. Only restaurants.

darryl
08-10-2006, 10:51 PM
Unfortunately, though, if you are talking about seeing her in VEGAS, the rules are different there.


They will let you check in the hotel and eat in all the restaurants, and walk through the casino on the way to a restaurant or exit - but no lingering.

Casinos won't just let you walk around, sight-seeing in the gambling areas. Only restaurants.

Yes, we have experience with this. You may walk around the outside perimeter of the gambling floor- they permit that as there is no other practical way to the shops and such. This is especially true at Caesars where it's impossible to get the the theatre without going along the edges of the various gambling floors. You rarely get stopped if you are rushing straight across the gambling floors. I've seen security note teenages doing just this, and watching carefully to make sure it's just across the floor to something like the celine store. Of course, there are always dullards, but usually they pick up the intent.

Oh, and you have to go to the middle of one of the gambling floors to go down to the only washrooms close to the theatre.

:roll:

kay5
08-11-2006, 02:19 AM
Yeah I've been to Vegas before so I know about all the rules in the Casinos, I walked through there without my parents when I was 16 (I went to the washroom - they stayed at the store they were looking at just across the floor) and it was no problem, because i didn't linger.

Anyway, yeah the credit card thing is what I'm worried about, because I wont' be able to get one as I won't have a full time job...I may end up having to pay for someone else to come along...blah...maybe I can talk one of my parents, or my Gramps, into coming with me.

I could get along without a rental car, but without a hotel room, I doubt that.

Also, we go into the US all the time and none of us have a passport, it's not even like I'd be flying from Canada into the US, I'd be flying out of Detroit, that's closer, and cheaper, than the Toronto airport.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I've got some thinking to do about the logisticle (did I spell that right?) side of things!!

darryl
08-11-2006, 09:05 AM
Yeah I've been to Vegas before so I know about all the rules in the Casinos, I walked through there without my parents when I was 16 (I went to the washroom - they stayed at the store they were looking at just across the floor) and it was no problem, because i didn't linger.

Anyway, yeah the credit card thing is what I'm worried about, because I wont' be able to get one as I won't have a full time job...I may end up having to pay for someone else to come along...blah...maybe I can talk one of my parents, or my Gramps, into coming with me.

I could get along without a rental car, but without a hotel room, I doubt that.

Also, we go into the US all the time and none of us have a passport, it's not even like I'd be flying from Canada into the US, I'd be flying out of Detroit, that's closer, and cheaper, than the Toronto airport.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I've got some thinking to do about the logisticle (did I spell that right?) side of things!!

1) I'm sure there will be other people that need roommates etc in Vegas to keep the costs down, so as things get closer I'm sure there will be such arrangements possible- likely posted on the convention website.

2) Yes, in the past we have enjoyed the ability to cross the US border in a car without much id, other than a drivers license. Those are too easily faked. In the past 2 years, the RCMP have busted numerous counterfeiting rings and shown on tv thousands of blank credit cards and driver's licenses. I would keep an eye on the passport issue. I would not at all be surprised for it to become a requirement permanently regardless of how you are crossing the border. There was the case in the past couple of years of the people driving from Vancouver to Seattle with chemicals to make a bomb to attack San Francisco. The only thing holding back the passport is the govenors in the border states fearful of losing the cross border shopping. But that will disappear in a heartbeat should the security issue be too great. So, plan for needing a passport, then if you don't it's no big deal or surprise at the last minute.

:Hug2:

alleycat
08-11-2006, 12:49 PM
Anyway, yeah the credit card thing is what I'm worried about, because I wont' be able to get one as I won't have a full time job...I may end up having to pay for someone else to come along...blah...maybe I can talk one of my parents, or my Gramps, into coming with me.

I hate to talk someone into getting a credit cart . . . but, your parent can get a card for you on their account. And, if you're a college student, you can usually get a card.

Just learn to use credit cards wisely. They're not "free money". I use them for convenience but I pay the bill in full every month.

I'll stop lecturing now.

Best wishes on your trip.

kay5
08-11-2006, 10:40 PM
I hate to talk someone into getting a credit cart . . . but, your parent can get a card for you on their account. And, if you're a college student, you can usually get a card.

Just learn to use credit cards wisely. They're not "free money". I use them for convenient but I pay the bill in full every month.

I'll stop lecturing now.

Best wishes on your trip.

They can? Cool ... didn't know that ... have to look into that!! I'll also be a college student starting Oct. 10 so I'll have to look into that as well!!

Yeah well I'm not the kind of person to spend money I don't have. If I had a credit card...I probably wouldn't use it much anyway...only to do things like check into a hotel or order things off the internet...and I wouldn't do that unless I had the money sitting in my band account.

alleycat
08-12-2006, 12:41 AM
Another thought (I'm just full of thoughts, ain't I?) is possibly to use a debit card. These days most places take a debit card as easily as a credit card.

K1P1
08-12-2006, 01:15 AM
I think you'd better check on the passport thing.

Here's the info at the US Dept of State web site:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

darryl
08-12-2006, 10:35 AM
Another thought (I'm just full of thoughts, ain't I?) is possibly to use a debit card. These days most places take a debit card as easily as a credit card.

Yes and no. For everything BUT hotel room and car rentals, they are widely accepted.

However, debit cards are immediate transactions for just that one amount- they do not permit the hotels etc to take a provision for possible future costs. What I mean is that if they let you check into a hotel with a debit card, and then you walk away, they cannot bill your debit card later for what you still owe. People taking hotel property, or simply not paying their final bill is the chief concern.

Similarly for car rentals, they need a financial instrument that they can charge the full deductible for a damaged or stolen car to- that is often $US 2500-5000 at least. Yes, it might be that you wouldn't have a credit card with that kind of limit, but that actually doesn't matter. Since it's part of the contract you have with them, visa/mastercard/amex typically permits the charge and they bill you and you have to fight them to not pay it. You agree to pay these charges when you sign the contract with the rental company.

During my various business travel, I have seen plenty of times when people are turned down for debit cards. Sometimes the hotel will say sure- just let us bill for your entire stay first, including a daily amount for additional expenses. They might do that because it's similar to pre-paying your trip through a website. However, they still want some $$$ on file so that you can't walk off owing room service or other hotel charges.

If you really must think about a debit card only, CALL the hotel directly and get an assurance from the manager- and that person's name.

:)

kay5
08-12-2006, 08:52 PM
Yes, I would definately call ahead if I was only going to bring a debit card.