Rod Munch:
Can anyone recommend any fantasy novels built in the real world? I haven't got much time or interest for elves, goblins, or a prince on a quest to find a sword/ring/goblet to free his land from the power of the Black Lord of Thghjsdk'fsdsdo'toiop. I don't think Fantasy should rely on such cliches and am looking for stories built in what we know as the real world but featuring the adventure and mystery that
good fantasy contains. Neil Gaiman is an example of what I'm after as is King's Dark Tower series.
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MadScientistMatt:
The Dark Tower set in the real world? It's more like Narnia without the talking animals, when you get down to it. The story isn't set in the real world at all, but in a parallel universe that you can only reach by magic.
Are you talking about urban fantasy - where the story takes place in a modern city but with magic? Of course, some of that contains things rather like goblins or elves too - Terry Brooks' Word and Void series comes to mind, with its own fantasy beasts hiding out in downtown parks.
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Rod Munch:
With DT, I was thinking of the travelling between Roland's world and ours and the events that take place here such as Roland 'meeting' Eddie in DT2, the following gunfight, and later, Roland coming for Susannah and Mort.
Quite a bit of DT is set in what we would call the real world and Roland's world could be seen as a slight variation of ours.
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Myrddin:
Read George RR Martin's Game of Thrones (first in a series).
It's another world (not ours) but loosely based on 14th century politics and culture. No elves or goblins, no prince on a quest, no dark lord of gobbly-gook trying to take over the world, though there are dragons and arguably ice zombies.
Martin took the fantasy convention, spun it, and came up with something fresh. The people, politics, and consequences feel as real as this world.
If you read this book and call "cliche", I'll eat my hat.
My only warning is that the projected 7 book series is only on book 4.
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waylander:
'The Lions of Al-Rassan' by Guy Gavriel Kay is roughly based on the 'El Cid' legend and the wars of the Moorish Spain. No Gods, Elves, Orcs.
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Rod Munch:
Cheers. I've got two books on the go at the moment, but once they're done, I'll have a look at those series.
It's not that I loathe what could be called typical fantasy; it's just that a lot of it seems very samey and for my taste, something grounded in reality but put with outlandish worlds and events is much more entertaining.
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Shweta:
Well,
War for the Oaks, by Emma Bull, has elves all right. And other faerie creatures. But it's very strongly set in Minneapolis. Very grounded in the place; and in that sense about as real as it gets.
And apparently it started the sub-genre of urban fantasy and is a really fun read, to boot.
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Shweta:
Also.
Ian McDonald,
King of Morning, Queen of Day
James Hetley,
The Summer Country
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Cathy C:
Jim Butcher's "Dresden Files" series. First in the series is "Storm Front." It's in filming now for a pilot on the SciFi channel. I think it's airing in January.
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Andrew Jameson:
Let me recommend
The Family Trade (and sequels) by Charles Stross. It's one of those travelling-to-the-world-next-door scenarios, but the interesting thing is that the world next door isn't magical at all (it's pretty much our own world with a divergent history). The only "magical" thing involved is the actual ability to travel between the two worlds. The action is roughly equally divided between the "real" world and the one next door.
I found it interesting because Stross takes a basic concept--what if you, or a group of people, could travel between two worlds?--and follows the idea to its logical conclusions. If you could do something special like that, you'd obviously try to make money by doing it.
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RedMolly:
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, by Susanna Clarke (one of my favorite books ever)
The Wild Swans, by Peg Kerr
The Summer Country and sequels, by James A. Hetley
The Glass Harmonica and
The Terrorists of Irustan (which isn't really fantasy, but is still a damned excellent read) by Louise Marley
The Empire of Unreason series by J. Gregory Keyes
Most anything by Guy Gavriel Kay (I see
Al-Rassan has already been recommended)... I liked
A Song for Arbonne and the
Sarantium books
And, though these books are set in imaginary worlds, they avoid the vast majority of the airy-fairy fantasy cliches that can be so irritating:
A Cavern of Black Ice (and sequels) by J.V. Jones
The Bone Doll's Twin by Lynn Flewelling (spooky!)
Once Upon a Winter's Night by Dennis McKiernan (I'm not, generally speaking, a McKiernan fan, but this book does a great job of mixing up all kinds of fairy tales and folklore into a big juicy stew)
...edited... sorry, Shweta, I missed your Hetley recommend earlier...
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Shadow_Ferret:
Rod Munch said:
Can anyone recommend any fantasy novels built in the real world? I haven't got much time or interest for elves, goblins, or a prince on a quest to find a sword/ring/goblet to free his land from the power of the Black Lord of Thghjsdk'fsdsdo'toiop. I don't think Fantasy should rely on such cliches and am looking for stories built in what we know as the real world but featuring the adventure and mystery that good fantasy contains. Neil Gaiman is an example of what I'm after as is King's Dark Tower series.
Define fantasy. I haven't read either of those, so I'm at a loss as to what you want in a fantasy if you've eliminated supernatural creatures like elves, goblins, etc.
What about werewolves, vampires and occult-type magic? I can think of many authors delving into this area in the real world or "alternate" realities.
Laurell K. Hamilton. Kim Harrison. Kelley Armstrong. Charlaine Harris.
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JerseyGirl1962:
Rod Munch said:
Can anyone recommend any fantasy novels built in the real world? I haven't got much time or interest for elves, goblins, or a prince on a quest to find a sword/ring/goblet to free his land from the power of the Black Lord of Thghjsdk'fsdsdo'toiop. I don't think Fantasy should rely on such cliches and am looking for stories built in what we know as the real world but featuring the adventure and mystery that good fantasy contains. Neil Gaiman is an example of what I'm after as is King's Dark Tower series.
Urban Shaman by C. E. Murphy is set in Seattle, with all sorts of hell breaking loose. The MC is part American Indian and part Irish, with Indian and Irish myths thrown into the mix (with a funny, cynical thread of humor throughout the book - always a plus, for me).
Aw, someone beat me to the Dresden Files and Emma Bull's groundbreaking book.
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Shweta:
Sorry, Nancy
Kindred by Octavia Butler (harsh, painful, beautiful)
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars by Steve Brust -- maybe
Dogsbody,
Fire and Hemlock, and/or
Deep Secret by Diana Wynne Jones
If you like period fiction (specifically Regency and Victorian and so forth) then:
Patricia Wrede,
Mareilon the Magician and
Snow White, Rose Red
Wrede and Caroline Stevermer,
Sorcery and Cecilia
Emma Bull and Steve Brust,
Freedom and Necessity
In general I find that people who like Gaiman also tend to like the Scribblies (Bull, Brust, Dean, Lindholm, Shetterly, and I think I'm missing someone)
Oh and, if you're familiar with generic-epic-fantasy and sick of it, try Diana Wynne Jones'
Dark Lord of Derkholm and
The Tough Guide to Fantasyland, both of which should have you giggling throughout.
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alaskamatt17:
My favorite fantasy books that aren't high fantasy are Philip Pullman's
His Dark Materials series and Clive Barker's
The Thief of Always, which are both YA but good if you're an adult, too.
By the way, has anybody seen
Mirrormask? It's a surreal fantasy by Neil Gaiman, so I thought it might be relevant to the thread. I liked it, but not as much as I thought I would. I'm a big fan of the fantasy productions by the Jim Henson Company. It has amazing visuals for a movie done on about an eighth the budget of the typical Hollywood blockbuster.
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Shweta:
alaskamatt17: Riddle?
I love mirrormask. love it so much.
Such a lovely little creepy little story.
I recommend everything by Neil Gaiman higher than
American Gods. It's the one thing he didn't blow me away with (I haven't quite dared to read Anansi Boys yet; I'm afraid of disappointment). His children's stuff, his comics, Good Omens, his movie... they're all just... amazing.
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Medievalist:
The Merchant Princes books are SF, but frankly, I don't see that much of a divide between the two.
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