Should I "Re-Brand" with a Psuedonym after poor-selling books?

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I have two books out with small publishers, but my writing has improved a lot since then, and those two books aren't selling at all.

I also write horror and comedy, in very distinct voices and styles, where the audience might not overlap very much (except that they're all "weird fiction").

Now I'm pitching a new horror novel to publishers and they all want my publishing history, which kind of looks bad. I'm also working on a new comedy novel, and I'm wondering about how publishers and agents will view my scattered publishing history when I start pitching that book.

I like my name and I'd like to stick with it, but I also wish I could un-publish those mediocre novels.

I'm thinking of making up two pen-names, one for horror and the other for comedy. The problem then becomes, what if I want to do a totally different style? Do I need another new pen-name? What if I mix the genres?

This is a nervous time! I don't know anybody personally who I can talk to about this stuff.

So, if there are agents and publishers out here, how does my described landscape appear to you? Would a pen-name appear more attractive to you?
 

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I'm not an agent or publisher (agented and published, if that matters) and my understanding from talking to industry professionals is yes, you'd be better off using a new pen name. Your sales may be fine for small presses, but are likely to look worrying to an agent or editor dealing with large houses. If a book needs to sell 5,000 to make a profit and you have two books selling under 500 each, it'll be difficult for an editor to persuade the marketing team to acquire your manuscript.

I would be honest with agents if you get The Call, though. I'm not sure this is the most logical advice but more moral advice - I wouldn't feel right going into *that* relationship with a deception-by-omission. I sold a novella to a small press while I was agented and I told my agent, who was nothing but supportive. I'm not sure how she would have felt seeing one of her clients advertising a book she knew nothing about.

I'd also say it's a good idea to have separate pen names for different genres, though no need to keep it a secret that you are the same person. I love both horror and comedy so if I enjoyed your horror book I would be happy to buy your comedy book, but I would know which genre I was getting when I looked at your different names. Readers who only want horror can ignore your pen name and not make disappointing purchases by mistake. If you mix the genres, go with the pen name that most represents it; is the book more horror or more comedy?
 

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I would be honest with agents if you get The Call, though. I'm not sure this is the most logical advice but more moral advice - I wouldn't feel right going into *that* relationship with a deception-by-omission. I sold a novella to a small press while I was agented and I told my agent, who was nothing but supportive. I'm not sure how she would have felt seeing one of her clients advertising a book she knew nothing about.

IANAL, but as far as I know you can't keep your real name a secret when you're signing contracts. You'd have to be honest eventually, both with an agent and a publisher.
 

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IANAL, but as far as I know you can't keep your real name a secret when you're signing contracts. You'd have to be honest eventually, both with an agent and a publisher.

Oh yes, all my contracts have included my real name as well as my pseudonym. I assumed Patt was already using one pseudonym, but I see on a re-read that may not be the case.
 

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IANAL, but as far as I know you can't keep your real name a secret when you're signing contracts. You'd have to be honest eventually, both with an agent and a publisher.

I definitely don't intend to deceive anybody. I'd be open to everybody, including the audience, about my pseudonym. I would be open with the publisher/agent that I'm using a pseudonym for branding reasons, basically.

Oh yes, all my contracts have included my real name as well as my pseudonym. I assumed Patt was already using one pseudonym, but I see on a re-read that may not be the case.

My real name is Matt Payne, and I publish under that name. I use "pattmayne" online because it's never taken, while MattPayne is usually taken!

So this is kind of fun. I'll have to start brainstorming pen names.
 

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Earthing drives a good point and I have to agree.

I've agonized over this too because I didn't really specialize in a genre. This late in the game, I've decided to use a pen name for my YA series. My small press sales from just about all my publishers have been small to mediocre at best. The older the book, the higher in the millions your rank can get. You might start off as an Amazon best-seller and stay there for weeks but if you slide and slow down in sales it will show. I've always wondered what the big house publishers thought of my track record when they gave it a glance. So yes, I'm going pen name with a certain genre, and to start a new little writer off, even though that writer will be easily identified as me. Notwithstanding, I'm going to do everything in my power to disguise my identity. It can be done, at least for awhile. I really do need a fresh start.

Patt, if you are making this decision and it's relatively the early stage in your writing career, then you have the jump on it and I think it might be a good idea. There certainly is a definitive difference between comedy and horror. Don't make the mistake I made.

ETA: I've heard time and time again that big house editors will not look unfavorably upon small press publications which have low sales. They understand it is the norm. It's the current book that counts. That might be true. But the marketing department is NOT seeing it that, IMHO. Marketing has to evaluate every aspect of the writer's platform, and that does include previous publications and sales. That's why large purchases go to board meetings. Everything matters, especially if there is a sizable advance and marketing campaign involved.

The best of luck and I hope you really get solid fan bases for whatever you write and publish.
 

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My real name is Matt Payne, and I publish under that name. I use "pattmayne" online because it's never taken, while MattPayne is usually taken!

So this is kind of fun. I'll have to start brainstorming pen names.

Oops, sorry for calling you Patt! I actually called you Patty at first before I re-read, so it could have been worse...

Choosing your own name is kind of fun, isn't it? :)