Depictions of auction scenes?

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I'm looking for written depictions of auctions so I can learn more about how they go. It doesn't really have to be from a book, and it could be real or fictional.

My end goal is learning more about how auctions work so that I can write about them, so really any material or information you have is good -- even videos.
 

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What kinds of auctions?

I've been at a couple of smallish local auctions of stuff but if you mean serious houses, I think both Christie's and Sotheby's have youtube channels. If not, there are probably videos on there of some of their bigger things. You can also usually watch open auctions streaming, live, in case you want to bid. Check the websites of houses that specialize in whatever you're looking for.
 

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Livestock, fish and vegie auctions are something else! Absolutely frantic and very entertaining.

House auctions and auctions for goods tend to be rather more sedate.
 

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What kinds of auctions?

I've been at a couple of smallish local auctions of stuff but if you mean serious houses, I think both Christie's and Sotheby's have youtube channels. If not, there are probably videos on there of some of their bigger things. You can also usually watch open auctions streaming, live, in case you want to bid. Check the websites of houses that specialize in whatever you're looking for.

Livestock, fish and vegie auctions are something else! Absolutely frantic and very entertaining.

House auctions and auctions for goods tend to be rather more sedate.

I do mean more serious house auctions, though I was hoping they could also get at least a little frantic.

Will check out their videos!
 

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At house auctions, the auctioneers will often apply a lot of pressure to bidders to get them to go a bit higher. It can feel quite predatory.
 

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There are several types of auctions: fancy houses like Sotheby's, walk through a house and sell the stuff type auctions, small town auctions and livestock, etc. auctions. Probably more than that.

As a child, I attended small town type auctions and house walk through auctions. The house walk throughs can get VERY crowded in the bedrooms.

Typically with either type, the auctioneer will state what the item is and give a starting price. "Can you give me 20?" Someone will raise a hand or a paddle or a number or some such. Then the auctioneer will try to raise the price. "Can you give me 25?" The increments will vary based on how spendy the item is thought to be. (Note how I hedged that.) When there are no more bids, the auctioneer will say, "Going, going, gone to [insert how they identify people]" The identify may be a number or by name if they know people or something like "the lady in the pink dress."

Shadier places might have some question about whom that final bidder might be if the auctioneer is picking bids out of the air in order to raise the price. This may no longer happen, but I wouldn't count on it.

Hope that helps.

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I do mean more serious house auctions, though I was hoping they could also get at least a little frantic.

Will check out their videos!

Wait. Do you mean auctions where houses are sold or auctions of goods by auction houses?

My comment above referred to auctions where yer actual house is being sold. Auctions by Christie's and Sotherby's are not predatory.
 

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Wait. Do you mean auctions where houses are sold or auctions of goods by auction houses?

My comment above referred to auctions where yer actual house is being sold. Auctions by Christie's and Sotherby's are not predatory.

I think I started that, sorry -- I believe the OP was referencing my calling Christie's and the like 'serious houses'
 

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Thanks all! I did mean houses like Sotheby's when I said house auctions, not auctions for literal houses -- though I did find a video of that, and it was indeed quite shady. The auctioneer was taking his sweet time closing the bid even when no one else was bidding. The high bidder was getting visibly frustrated with it.

Now, what if someone was to win an auction but then have the item stolen right after pick-up? Could such a thing feasibly happen?
 

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If you made it happen - absolutely.

But if the item is stolen after pick-up, it's nothing to do with the Auction House. It's the owner's problem.
 

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Yep, if it's stolen after pickup, the auction house has nothing to do with it.

And the Sotheby's type auction houses won't do the shady business I described above. (I did see it happen at some semi-rural auctions.)

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My end goal is learning more about how auctions work so that I can write about them, so really any material or information you have is good -- even videos.

Go to an auction, there's likely one within driving distance on at least a weekly basis. Art auctions are different from real estate auctions which are different from seized property auctions which are different than livestock auctions and so on. Or attend one online.

Jeff
 

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If yes, then note for big ticket stuff in the UK you have to put down a deposit with the auction house - certainly for house buying, suspect for other things too. As in you decide you want to spend £100,000, there is a deposit of 10% with the rest of the money being due a few days after the auction. So before you can bid, you'd have to deposit £10,000 with the auction house and that gets you the paddle with the number on it. It also means you can't bid higher than £100,000 as you don't have a big enough deposit. There can also be sealed bids and telephone bids. With houses you can take out insurance. Can't remember the details, but it would be something like you arrange the insurance from the day of the sale and if you buy, it is insured, if you don't then you will get your money back/most of your money back.
Small stuff like a poultry auction, no deposit.
Auction house websites usually have the terms and conditions on it for you to read. There is also an auctioneers fee to pay.
 
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I've bought cars at auction if that is of any use to you.
 

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My dad used to co-own a mid-sized general goods auction house that drew folks from all over the state, and got a few lucrative art deals that were floated upstate NY to get to the right bidders.

The question about stolen goods can happen, although how it's handled is dependent on how the merchandise was obtained in the first place and what the value was. (This information is related to U.S. entrepreneurial houses.)

They acquire their goods in 2 main ways: consignment and purchases. Consignment items are things that other sellers bring in, so everything from everyday folks with antique heirlooms to wholesale retailers who want to offload entire 'lots'. The profit from these items are split by percentage between the house and the seller, usually 30-70. Stolen consignment items are going to come out of the house's cut if the item was stolen before being sold, as the house failed to protect the merchandise. Items stolen after pick-up may be reported to the consignor, but they probably can't do anything about it. The major reason for this is that most items are unique. You can't really replace an antique heirloom. If you're talking specifically about high ticket items, like art or expensive jewelry, the house will immediately get law enforcement involved and check cameras, parking spaces/cameras, and interrogate employees. Theft heavily impacts how people look at that house going forward, so it's far from a casually accepted occurrence. Even the hectic, tiny ones will employ what are essentially bouncers.

Purchased goods, where the house goes out and pays a flat fee for entire lots or individual items (such as all the furniture and decorations from abandoned condos or 'temporary housing' that wealthy folks live in for a few months and then move on), also fall directly on the house if an object is stolen, however, they're not paying for the item and then paying an agreed upon amount with an outside seller, so the loss is in product rather than product+liquid assets in this situation. After pick-up theft is the recipient's problem, however, at least in my dad's case, after pick-up would require breaking into someone's car to steal an item. 9.9 times out of 10, goods were carried out by auction employees specifically to avoid that kind of shenanigans, and small items like jewelry were handed directly to the bidder after winning. People would sometimes leave, drop their things off at home, and then come back if they had larger items that were easier to take out of a car or back of a truck.

What I really wanted to emphasize for your writing pursuits is that any house bringing in customers is going to have some kind of law enforcement or private security on hand during auctions, even the little hometown ones. The mid-sized one my dad co-owned had a weekly Thursday night auction, and a special weekend auction if they had an abundance of quick-selling stock. Every auction night, the local police force assigned 2 dedicated officers: 1 patrolled the grounds and 1 watched over the auction for the whole 4 hour event due to the amount of traffic it brought in. Really high ticket items are going to have private security on hand. Those paintings that got sent to NY sold for half a million a piece, I heard, and I believe them because the owner of the house that my dad's AH consigned with drove halfway across the country to pick the paintings up and personally escort them back to NY. These aren't open flea market type-events. Security is a must (it sounded like you were talking about really high priced items), so there's a real life example of what the house will go through to ensure security is tight. The employees would be another obstacle for thieves to consider. The auctioneer may be facing the crowd and rattling off a number rhythm, but the people working behind him to showcase the merchandise and anyone working outside, the folks loading up cars with purchased goods, as well as the people working the window who accepts payments and issues paddles/sticker/whatever bidding method the house uses, also keep a wary eye. Not even kidding, the other co-owner had a parrot who lived in the auction house that would screech when people walked by him -- his placement near the back door was not accidental, though he was a cute distraction for the kids.

Picture many employees, private security and/or actual law enforcement, a consignor who wants to guard their stock, and any regulars that like to pretend they're employees too (happened all the time) all watching like a hawk. In the eight or nine years that I knew my dad while he co-owned that place, I can count on one hand how many times something was stolen and the thieves actually got away with it. It was more likely for fights to break out and the officers to get involved than anyone to get away with theft. An item stolen after pick-up would need to be small, or extremely well planned and likely require multiple people to pull off.

I hope some of that helps! :)
 
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