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a_niki
05-11-2006, 06:10 PM
I'm working on a screenplay and need to know if it's realistic to have prostitutes soliciting on the street in a small, economically well-off Midwestern town (fictional) of about 25,000 inhabitants. Or would they choose to solicit in a less obvious way?

Thanks!

Cathy C
05-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Read this article from last year. It sort of says it all... ;)


http://www.texasmonthly.com/preview/2005-01-01/feature5

johnnysannie
05-11-2006, 08:52 PM
Prostitution happens everywhere.

In smaller towns, I don't know if the prostitutes would work the streets but it's not impossible. More likely, I would think they would be found working bars, truck stops, and "massage parlors".

icerose
05-11-2006, 09:02 PM
You won't find prostitutes in the US walking the streets in small towns. They would get arrested every single night. Prostitution is illegal in the US and it's a whole lot easier to get caught in a small town than a great big city.

Truck stops are common, because they can be in normal clothes, working at a truck stop and doubling or hanging around. Not as noticable, and if a cop grabbed them, they could just say they were just talking and there wouldn't be any proof to say she was a prostitute unless the truck driver turned her in, which would implicate himself.
You can find, strip bars with VIP type rooms where prostitution happens. You can find small call services, and you can find massage parlors that double as a prostitution house.

I don't know why anyone would pay for it though, there are enough women, at least in my area, that would do it for free.

:Shrug:

Mike Coombes
05-11-2006, 09:56 PM
I don't know why anyone would pay for it though, there are enough women, at least in my area, that would do it for free.

:Shrug:

Do you have their phone numbers? ;)

icerose
05-11-2006, 10:02 PM
Do you have their phone numbers? ;)

LOL, no but if you stop at swift's gas station and talk to a certain clerk you will have found one. Or read what is written on their bathroom wall, so my husband tells me.

Be a tow truck driver through this area and pick up stranded college girls, you'll never have a shortage there.

katiemac
05-12-2006, 12:02 AM
They'd definitely be more discreet. Near my campus, there's a palm reading/psychic business which supposedly runs another business in the back room...

rtilryarms
05-12-2006, 12:14 AM
Not all of the small towns in the USA are deplete of prostitution. Down here in Florida, Belle Glade is a well known poverty-stricken town of around 25,000 where drugs, prostitution and whatnot (don't ask) goes on quite openly. The police do their routine cruises and make their token arrests but on any given night you will see quite a lot of activity.

Don't pack your bags and rush out guys and gals, Belle Glade is also known to have the highest instances of HIV/Aids in the United States by far. A study conducted several years ago surprised the pollsters when they found that the AIDs virus was not prominently transferred by needles. It was mostly hetero-sex. Didn't suprise me.

a_niki
05-14-2006, 03:22 PM
You confirmed what I thought - discretion is key. It would have been convenient for my protag, who isn't looking for company, to accidentally bump into her on the street, but if I want to be realistic, I have to think of something else. I like the massage parlor idea...

ajrocks
05-16-2006, 08:50 AM
I grew up in Old saybrook, CT, next to Essex CT, voted best small town in the US In 2000 I think maybe earlier.

anyways, Old saybrook had Kate for a resident, sorry Katherine Hepburn. and in westbrook, CT Art Carney. The three towns together I believe had maybe 30,00 people. there was a prostitution ring that was busted about ten years ago. Some upper class society people had created a ring of prostitutes. I;'m gonna say a lawyer had something to do with it...Essex is filled with them. Also Doctors.
Did you see Eyes wide shut? I would say take that idea and change it. That seems to be how it worked around there.
Hope that helps.

Writer2011
05-16-2006, 06:04 PM
Prostitution is everywhere and it can be in small towns, large cities, ect... The town i'm from has about 60,000 people (it used to be MUCH smaller) but my point is there was prostitution in certain areas of town... Hope this helps.

Gary
05-16-2006, 09:38 PM
A lot depends on the town and the era. I grew up in the country where the nearest town of 250 people didn't have any prostitutes, but a 30 minute drive took you to a town of 30,000, where police kept the activity isolated to one street. It was illegal, but as long as the girls and customers stayed on that one street, the police stayed away. They knew they couldn't eliminate it and felt it was better keeping it under control in one small part of town. It was a pretty sleazy street and I didn't know anyone who visited there.

An hour drive away, a small Montana town of less than 400 population had a well known bawdy house that drew customers from 100-200 miles away. From the outside, it looked like an old western fort with slab timber walls surrounding it. I never saw the inside, but was told it was nicely decorated and very clean. You could order drinks, food or women, or play poker, which was also illegal at the time. It was a big source of revenue for the town, so they turned a blind eye as long as there was no trouble. I was also told that the girls were pretty much accepted in town.

Gillhoughly
05-16-2006, 10:20 PM
Try checking through the backlog of police reports for Arcata California, pop. 16,929 in 2004.

The Arcata Eye, the town's "mildly objectional" weekly paper could well be a rich source of research into the study of the human psyche (when combined with inbreeding, booze, rec drugs, and a few other fun, if frequently illegal, activities).

Here's one of their recent reports that pretains to paying for sex (sort of):

"2:27 p.m. A scruffster held up a sign vowing to perform unspecified labor in return for sexual favors. He disappeared, though it’s doubtful he got lucky with the poon-by-placard gambit.

5:11 p.m. A woman called about a man holding a sign that said, “Will work for pu##y.” When told about the First Amendment, she hung up. Then someone else called, and police went to talk to the guy, but he was gone.

http://www.arcataeye.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&tid=2&topic=3

http://www.arcataeye.com/ Police logs are in the "Public Safety" section. They are a few light years past hilarious.

Rabe
07-22-2006, 01:28 PM
Prostitution is illegal in the US and it's a whole lot easier to get caught in a small town than a great big city.

That is a very untrue statement.

Prostitution IS legal in Nevada. Which is a member of the U.S. last time I checked (though, sometimes I wish we could shove their 'nuclear waste site' up dunderhead's toxic rear and cede from the Union). However, Nevada allows the individual counties to decide for themselves if they wish to have legalized prostitution and they have a population under 400,000.

Of the sixteen eligible counties, only five have decided against prostitution.

The Mustang Ranch, probably THE most famous brothel in the world is located in Storey County, less than thirty miles from Reno, which is in Washoe County and has decided against legalized prostitution.

Currently, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county that is prohibited from legalizing prostitution due to population. While I don't know if the 11 counties that has legalized prostitution contain brothels, I do know that Elko, Storey, Mineral and Nye counties all have brothels.

As for getting caught easier in a small town than a big city, that is also untrue. The chances of being caught are the same in either city depending on how stupid the behavior.

Rabe...

Jamesaritchie
07-23-2006, 03:48 PM
That is a very untrue statement.

Prostitution IS legal in Nevada. Which is a member of the U.S. last time I checked (though, sometimes I wish we could shove their 'nuclear waste site' up dunderhead's toxic rear and cede from the Union). However, Nevada allows the individual counties to decide for themselves if they wish to have legalized prostitution and they have a population under 400,000.

Of the sixteen eligible counties, only five have decided against prostitution.

The Mustang Ranch, probably THE most famous brothel in the world is located in Storey County, less than thirty miles from Reno, which is in Washoe County and has decided against legalized prostitution.

Currently, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county that is prohibited from legalizing prostitution due to population. While I don't know if the 11 counties that has legalized prostitution contain brothels, I do know that Elko, Storey, Mineral and Nye counties all have brothels.

As for getting caught easier in a small town than a big city, that is also untrue. The chances of being caught are the same in either city depending on how stupid the behavior.

Rabe...

No, not really. It's true that prostitution is legal in most counties in Nevada, but only in specified places, and only under legal supervision. A woman can't just walk the streets as a prostitute. She must be registered, must have medical tests each month, and last time I checked, must work out of an authorized brothel. Many, many prostitutes are arrested in the counties where prostitution is "legal.".

And it's a heck of a lot easier to catch a prostitute in a small town. Prostitution is almost impossible to keep secret in a small city. It isn't a matter of stupid behavior, it's a matter that prostitution only makes money if the woman has sex with quite a few men. Men talk. And police use undercover officers, even in small towns.

If a protistute works a small city, and the police want her, they will catch her. You simply can't be a successful prostitute without the act of solicitation. I doubt there is such a thing as a street prostitute who hasn't been arrested, even in a major city. Most have been arrested dozens of times.

Someting like 905% of all prostitution in small city America is done at truck stops. The prostitutes work a truck stop for a short period, then move on to the next. And even the most careful of them are almost certain to be arrested on numerous occasions. The rest of prostitution in small city America usually takes place in bars, and even there the arrest rate is staggering.

When prostitution becomes a problem in a small citty, it's usually very easy to clean up in record time because the act of prostitution itself is public.

Jamesaritchie
07-23-2006, 03:50 PM
A lot depends on the town and the era. I grew up in the country where the nearest town of 250 people didn't have any prostitutes, but a 30 minute drive took you to a town of 30,000, where police kept the activity isolated to one street. It was illegal, but as long as the girls and customers stayed on that one street, the police stayed away. They knew they couldn't eliminate it and felt it was better keeping it under control in one small part of town. It was a pretty sleazy street and I didn't know anyone who visited there.

An hour drive away, a small Montana town of less than 400 population had a well known bawdy house that drew customers from 100-200 miles away. From the outside, it looked like an old western fort with slab timber walls surrounding it. I never saw the inside, but was told it was nicely decorated and very clean. You could order drinks, food or women, or play poker, which was also illegal at the time. It was a big source of revenue for the town, so they turned a blind eye as long as there was no trouble. I was also told that the girls were pretty much accepted in town.

They could have pretty much eliminated it in a week, if they wished. When prostitution survives in a city of 30K, it's because the police, or someone in power, wants it to survive.

Gary
07-23-2006, 04:54 PM
They could have pretty much eliminated it in a week, if they wished. When prostitution survives in a city of 30K, it's because the police, or someone in power, wants it to survive.

I agree to the extent that it wouldn't be visible, but no amount of police crackdown will ever eliminate prostitution totally. It just goes deeper underground. In this case, they eliminated the pimps and most of the violence that goes along with the trade. They were also able to keep a closer watch on the girls.

I don't know if there were payoffs, but police corruption was not a problem where I grew up, and most of the populace thought it was a reasonable arrangement. At least I'm assuming that was the situation, because everyone knew about it and didn't make waves. It took construction of a freeway through the street to close down the businesses.

sharra
07-24-2006, 09:00 PM
I must admit I don't see the point in criminalizing prostitution. It's never going to stop, it's the world's oldest profession, and trying to regulate peoples sex lives just doesn't work.
I've known a few of working girls. Some of them were truly sad and broken, which is how they ended up where they were. Others simply did what they had to to feed their kids and pay the rent. Not one of them ever turned around and said she (or the odd he) did it because they loved the job.
And some of their most violent tricks were either religious ministers or in law enforcement.

gromhard
07-26-2006, 01:04 AM
Has anyone here actually gotten a small town prostitute?

Look in a town of 30,000 you're not going to find a single street walker UNLESS she's f'ing desperate, ANY TOWN for that matter.

I live on Sunset Blvd in Los Angeles California, probably no street on Earth more famous for prostitution...yet you won't see the same hooker on the street more than 2 times.
I talk to them from time to time, their ages have ranged from 14(no I didn't let them go with anyone, I put them on a bus, 2 girls) to as old as 40s.
They all (except for those 2 girls who were just....having an adventure that had gone too far) are desperate. Either speed/heroin junkies or women who NEED money quickly for rent or because they're living out of their car with two or three kids waiting up for them to return.
Another thing, not ONE of them has been even passable. I mean not just ugly...but ugly and TORN UP. Scars along their faces, missing eyes, 8 months pregnant, limps, obescity, sores....sores like you wouldn't f'ing believe.
None of those fancy sequinned hooker clothes either. These women are usually in a pair of cut off shorts and wearing a t-shirt and no make-up. No one goes through an hour of make-up to give handjobs behind 7-11, ya know?
They charge what they can get. They start out high, like saying 200$ but really they go as low as 5$ dollars for oral.
My "friends" always mistake the hookers for bums. That's how dirty they are.
When the movie "Hustle and Flow" came out last year about the pimp who becomes a rapper, we had an awful influx of 16-19 year old wanna be rappers coming out here and putting their girlfriends on the street. Luckily it didn't last passed the summer.
It was sad. The girlfriends WERE dressed like TV hookers(mini-skirts and sequins) and they just stood out there on the side of the road flagging down cars. The car parks, the hooker gets in, directs the guy to go park behind 7-11/McDonalds/ect or to rent a room at the sleazy hotel and they go.......
OR
And this is why you do NOT see street walkers...the guys would speed off with the girl in their car and their little wanna be pimp boyfriend chasing after on foot. Yes I did see this happen once. I do not know what happened I never saw that guy or his girlfriend again.
But the point I'm making is that street level prostitution is not sexy, it's not glamarous, it's the bottom of the barrell for people with NO OTHER OPORTUNITY and it's DANGEROUS.

In a small town your whores are going to get their business one of two ways.
1. Everybody is going to know who they are and either come to their house or call the whore on the phone and make an appointment.
2. If it's a highly trafficked area such as a midcities point your whores will wait at nice hotel room bars or if it's an ugly whore she'll hang out at trucker rest stops, these are called "Lot Lizards" and they come in both female and young male varieties.

Most working prostitutes these days make their money as strippers who do a little more in the VIP room or through working ads. Either on the internet(check out craigslist if you don't believe me) or in a paper. Some are even part of an escort service.

"Nude Modeling", "Sensual Massage" , "Asian Baths" are typical fronts for whorehouses and by front I mean just that. You walk inside and there are closed circuit televisions all playing hardcore pornography. Yet in a city of any size the Americans have been pushed out by the Russian, Asian and South American human slave market.
Ya see, a girl with no visa or greencard HAS to do whatever the slaver pimp says. So they have to f all night and all their money goes into their fake "green card fund" that doesn't really exist but the Pimps assure her "Soon you'll have earned enough to afford that greencard." And when the hooker is either too ugly, too torn up or too diseased to continue they either ship them back or kill them.

Guys who are in to paying for it know to avoid street walkers like the plague. So the guys who pick them up are of the "struck-out-at-a-bar-all-night-and-now-drunk-and-horny" types. They slap the hookers around all the time, refuse to wear condoms, rape them, sodomize them, refuse to pay them, cut them, kill them...they tell me cops are the worst...they pull them over, get them in the car, flash the badge and demand freebies and the women tell me cops NEVER wear condoms.
I know I went on but too often hookers are not displayed appropriately in books or film.
I'm as liberal as the next guy, I think if a woman wants to sell her sex then she should be allowed to. But prostitution brings other problems with it as well, such as those I just mentioned. (notably human slave trafficking is the worst right now) (Nevada is the BEST place for prostitutes, those ranches are safe, established and clean.)
Hooking is not glamorous or without risk. A young small town hooker with the heart of gold is everyone's fantasy but is seldom anyone's reality.

Living out here and meeting these people has really changed me profoundly as a person. I no longer have any hope for the future of the human race.

Gary
07-26-2006, 04:39 AM
Living out here and meeting these people has really changed me profoundly as a person. I no longer have any hope for the future of the human race.

Do you think living on Sunset Blvd might have something to do with that? I live in a rural area near a big city and have lots of hope for the future.

Rabe
07-26-2006, 11:53 PM
No, not really. It's true that prostitution is legal in most counties in Nevada, but only in specified places, and only under legal supervision. A woman can't just walk the streets as a prostitute. She must be registered, must have medical tests each month, and last time I checked, must work out of an authorized brothel. Many, many prostitutes are arrested in the counties where prostitution is "legal.".

Uhm...what exactly is untrue? That prostitution IS legal in Nevada where the poster I responded to said that prostitution is ILLEGAL in the U.S.?

Yes, prostitution in Nevada is probably THE most regulated industry in the country, followed, oddly enough by two other industries that are big in Nevada such as gambling and mining.

But since the thread isn't about (until now) how heavily regulated it is, I didn't go into those details. But you also forgot to mention that prostitutes can only work for limited periods of time before they have to be off for a length of time, that they can't leave the brothel without an escort while they ARE working and when they're NOT working, they must leave the county in which they work.

Which has set up a migratory like flock of prostitutes that go from county to county and brothel to brothel, work their three weeks one place, go to the next place, work their three weeks, next county to work their three weeks and then back to the original county.


And it's a heck of a lot easier to catch a prostitute in a small town. Prostitution is almost impossible to keep secret in a small city. It isn't a matter of stupid behavior, it's a matter that prostitution only makes money if the woman has sex with quite a few men. Men talk. And police use undercover officers, even in small towns.

Actually, the chances of being arrested for ANY crime is exactly the same in large or small towns. If a prostitute is hanging out on a street corner in order to do business, then the police will sweep by there and arrest them. If they're plying their trade out of the truck stop (and generally the term for prostitutes in truck stops is 'lot lizard') then the police will do sweeps of the truck stops in order to arrest them. If a prostitute is working out of her home with a discreet client list, then they are going to be able to ply their trade for some time until something slips up. In either a small town or a large town.


If a protistute works a small city, and the police want her, they will catch her. You simply can't be a successful prostitute without the act of solicitation. I doubt there is such a thing as a street prostitute who hasn't been arrested, even in a major city. Most have been arrested dozens of times.

A whole list of 'escort' and 'call girl' businesses such as Heidi Fliesch's ran for years where the prostitutes themselves never solicited. They operate in the dark out of a 'legitimate' agency providing dates for an evening. Even knowing this, it's often hard to pin down what exactly is happening.

But the odd thing, after working in LE for nine years, I can recall only two arrests in our LEGALIZED prostitution area for prostitution. One was a 'crack whore' who was attempting to get more drugs and the second was the 'madam' of a brothel who operated 'services' without being licensed. Of course, my area probably does skew the average, after all, guys know it's cleaner, safer and you get better looking girls if you go down to the brothel area instead of the risks you take picking up a 'streetwalker'.


When prostitution becomes a problem in a small citty, it's usually very easy to clean up in record time because the act of prostitution itself is public.

It may be widely known, but that doesn't mean it's easily arrestable or stoppable. After all, the reverse holds true in small towns where the police may know who the prostitutes are, but then again, the prostitutes know who the police are. So, if they're idiots and solicit to someone they know or expect to be police then it doesn't matter if they are small town or large town they'll be be arrested. And just because someone is 'widely known' for something doesn't mean they can be arrested for it until it can be proven they actually *are* that thing.

Rabe...