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Celia Cyanide
05-22-2017, 07:30 PM
I remember when I first saw Twin Peaks on TV in 1990. All the reviews were saying, "You have never seen television like Twin Peaks." And at the time, no one had. I thought it was completely bizarre, and I had no idea what to make of it, but I loved it. Now that the rest of television has caught up with it, it's back, and it's STILL completely bizarre, and I STILL have no idea what to make of it.

And I still love it.

nighttimer
05-22-2017, 09:11 PM
The first season of Twin Peaks was the shit.

The second season of Twin Peaks was shit.

I don't have Showtime, so I'll have to rely on reviews and word-of-mouth whether this resurrection measures up or not, but I have my doubts whether David Lynch can pick the ball back up having dropped it so badly in that botched second season.

Myrealana
05-22-2017, 09:16 PM
All I know about it is what I saw on the "Dual Spires" episode of Psych.

That and I got a cool motel room key USB from work as part of the marketing push. I like to collect odd USB drives, so working at a cable company has its perks for me.

Celia Cyanide
05-22-2017, 10:20 PM
The first season of Twin Peaks was the shit.

The second season of Twin Peaks was shit.

I don't have Showtime, so I'll have to rely on reviews and word-of-mouth whether this resurrection measures up or not, but I have my doubts whether David Lynch can pick the ball back up having dropped it so badly in that botched second season.

I thought he picked it up as soon as he got back. I LOVED the season finale. The news season is just as creepy and unsettling in 2017 as the first season was in 1990.

Cernex
05-23-2017, 09:12 PM
I have my doubts whether David Lynch can pick the ball back up having dropped it so badly in that botched second season.

That's because Lynch was barelly involved with the second season. He directed half of the first eight hours of the season, but after that he did not direct again until the finale and played little role in developing stories, disillusioned about the fact ABC forced them to reveal Laura Palmer's murder, which Lynch did not want to do (Frost did, but at the very end of the series).

As for the third season so far, I'm loving it. It reminds me more of "Fire Walk with Me" than anything, which is nice (because I do like FWWM), but here's hoping we get a bit more coffee and apple pie eventually.

Celia Cyanide
05-26-2017, 06:46 PM
There is a lot about FWWM that I find rather disjointed, but I do like the darker aspect of Twin Peaks.

I went to see Mark Frost speak, and he read aloud and played some recordings from his novel. It was about Nadine and Jacoby, and the two feuding brothers. I had gathered from that presentation that the book would be about the quirky characters and the light-hearted aspects of the show. I think we tend to assume that everything funny and quirky (the town) is Frost, and everything weird and scary (the Lodge) is Lynch. But apparently, there is a lot in the novel about the woods and Project Bluebook.

unthoughtknown
05-27-2017, 05:59 PM
There were moments that I liked, but it wasn't enough to make me want to continue. It doesn't have the same feel as the original, which was what I was expecting... But I guess it's perfect for serious Lynch fans though.

Celia Cyanide
05-27-2017, 06:15 PM
Indeed. I think it has more the feel of Fire Walk With Me, the end of Season 2, Cooper's dream, etc. Although it is more like a long movie broken up into parts, so we shall see. I think that once things get back to (somewhat) normal for Coop, he will need some coffee and cherry pie!

Cernex
06-02-2017, 02:58 PM
There is a lot about FWWM that I find rather disjointed, but I do like the darker aspect of Twin Peaks.

It feels much less disjointed once you watch the Missing Pieces deleted scenes compilation -or so I felt- There's a fan-edit floating around which added the missing scenes back to FWWM, and MAN do they make a difference. The scene with Bowie actually makes sense now, instead of just being an incomprehensible slideshow!

telford
06-03-2017, 07:46 AM
Just finished struggling through the first four episodes and I doubt if I'll return for more. The first season was great but this is incomprehensible. I appreciate that we're talking about Lynch here, but this is lacking something I like in a show. A story. One for the fans of Lynch I think.

Celia Cyanide
06-03-2017, 08:29 AM
It feels much less disjointed once you watch the Missing Pieces deleted scenes compilation -or so I felt- There's a fan-edit floating around which added the missing scenes back to FWWM, and MAN do they make a difference. The scene with Bowie actually makes sense now, instead of just being an incomprehensible slideshow!

Eh, I still don't think I get it. This is what I gathered from the new season and FWWM regarding Phillip Jeffries, David Bowie's character: He went missing for quite some time. He was in the Lodge. He had a doppleganger, as did Cooper, who was out there doing some nasty stuff. He killed a fellow FBI agent. He was in a hotel in Buenes Aires, and he asks for someone named Judy. For some reason unknown, the real Jeffries came out of the Lodge and landed in FBI Headquarters where he babbled incoherently to Cooper for a few minutes. During this time, the doppelganger in Buenos Aires was transported back to the Lodge.

I've read interviews that suggested Judy is Josie's sister. I didn't think she was a real person. When I had just seen FWWM, I thought he was trying to say "Garland," as in Garland Briggs, but in his confusion, it came out "Judy." But then in Missing Pieces, he (the one I think is the Doppelganger) uses the name "Judy" in Buenos Aires.

aleighrose
06-06-2017, 09:32 AM
I like the new episodes, though I'm not entirely sure where they are going (which is typical with Lynch). I'm hoping now that Buenos Aires has been shown in the new season that we will finally get an explanation for the whole Phillip Jeffries thing. I'm also hoping that Coop gets back to normal soon because I miss his adorably chipper attitude.

As a side note, someone pointed out that there was a Bonzai tree sitting on the table in that room with the glass box. That could be a hint to the identity of the mysterious billionaire who was running the experiment, or it could just be a nice callback to the original series. Also, the woman in that trippy house in the third episode (not the eyeless woman but the one who appears after her) is Ronette Pulaski. Again, that could mean something or it could just be an Easter egg type of thing. Who knows at this point?

Celia Cyanide
06-14-2017, 06:24 PM
Yes, that was Ronette! But she was not listed in the credits as Ronette? I don't know what that means, if it is a callback, or perhaps she also has a doppelganger in the lodge.

I noticed the bonzai tree, and also BOB Cooper has a case similar to the one Windom Earle had. But he's not in this season??? What happened to him after he went into the Lodge? And what of Annie?

I am excited to learn about Buenos Aires. I am wondering how they are going to tie Jeffries into this, and I am hoping to see that episode dedicated to David Bowie.

aleighrose
06-18-2017, 09:08 AM
My personal theory is that, after Windom Earle had his soul taken away in the season 2 finale, he became a spirit of the Black Lodge with the ability to possess people just as Bob does and he is now possessing a billionaire who is running experiments on portals into and out of the Black Lodge. If this is correct, then the original actor, Kenneth Welsh, wouldn't have to be in the show for the character to be there. I also think that Linda might be Annie and Cooper's daughter. My theories seem to be disproven every week, so we'll see how long these last. The show has proven to be pretty unpredictable, much like the original run.

Celia Cyanide
06-23-2017, 02:28 PM
That is an interesting idea about Windom Earle. I really wish he was in this season. I was so relieved to see them acknowledge Annie. I didn't read the novel, but I heard that she was not mentioned, and that when they asked Mark Frost about her, he said, "I can't talk about Annie, but Lana Budding Milford won the Miss Twin Peaks pageant."

Cernex
06-28-2017, 04:06 PM
Episode 8 was... wow... something else. Still liked it, since it still told a story with incredible visuals but dang, that was still unexpected. Didn't think we would get full Lynch so early in the season.

aleighrose
06-29-2017, 08:18 AM
Episode 8 was incredible! It was like watching the TV equivalent of a Cirque du Soleil performance. I understood what it meant, yet I feel like I couldn't possibly understand what it meant. It answered questions I had never even thought to ask, like "Why do Bob and Laura exist?" It actually made me feel the same way I felt when I watched the third episode of the first season. Amazing how the show can still deliver that kind of shock 25 years later.

Celia: I haven't read Mark Frost's book yet, but from what I've heard people say about it, there are details of the characters' backstories that are different from the ones given in the show. This has some people speculating that it may take place in an alternate timeline. That might explain his comment about Annie. Or it could just be that Frost really hates the idea of Annie. He's said before that he and Lynch had always intended for Cooper and Audrey to be together, but Lara Flynn Boyle was dating Kyle MacLachlan at the time and got jealous of all the time he was spending with Sherilyn Fenn. She coerced the writers into changing the script, which did not sit well with them.

Cernex
07-07-2017, 02:02 AM
Darn, this two weeks of waiting for the next episode feel like an eternity. I want my new Twin Peaks episode now, dangit!

aleighrose
07-16-2017, 09:02 AM
During the week off, I rewatched the first 8 episodes. It helped the time go by and watching each episode that close together really does make the show feel like a movie. Everything that has happened so far has taken place over the course of only a couple of days.

It looks like the next episode may have the FBI finally finding the real Cooper due to the cops taking his fingerprints. Maybe seeing his old buddies will cause him to snap back into awareness. Not that I don't find Dougie Coop to be sort of adorable in his own way, I'm just hoping to see the old Coop at some point.

Celia Cyanide
07-21-2017, 03:34 AM
Episode 8 was incredible! It was like watching the TV equivalent of a Cirque du Soleil performance. I understood what it meant, yet I feel like I couldn't possibly understand what it meant. It answered questions I had never even thought to ask, like "Why do Bob and Laura exist?" It actually made me feel the same way I felt when I watched the third episode of the first season. Amazing how the show can still deliver that kind of shock 25 years later.

Celia: I haven't read Mark Frost's book yet, but from what I've heard people say about it, there are details of the characters' backstories that are different from the ones given in the show. This has some people speculating that it may take place in an alternate timeline. That might explain his comment about Annie. Or it could just be that Frost really hates the idea of Annie. He's said before that he and Lynch had always intended for Cooper and Audrey to be together, but Lara Flynn Boyle was dating Kyle MacLachlan at the time and got jealous of all the time he was spending with Sherilyn Fenn. She coerced the writers into changing the script, which did not sit well with them.

I don't know if I even believe this. I've heard rumors, but I think it stems from the fact that everyone likes to hate on Laura Flynn Boyle. According to the footnotes from the Gold Box Set I had (before the latest Blu-Ray box set came out) this is what was supposed to happen: Cooper finds Audrey in his bed. The next morning, he is sitting at the breakfast table ignoring her, while she gazes lovingly up at him. According to these notes, it was Kyle McLachlin who didn't want the scene to play out that way. He thought Cooper would never do something like that, and I thought he was right. It would have been unethical and unprofessional and sleazy. I do think Audrey was supposed to be the "Queen," at the series finale, but I don't think they were ever supposed to end up "together." I find it much easier to believe that the writers would listen to an actor who felt strongly about his character's morals than an actor saying, "I'm jealous, so I don't want any sex implied off screen." When I think about it, it just sounds ridiculous.

I like Audrey as a character, but I have never understood why people think she and Cooper should have been a couple. He was a 35 year old FBI agent, who was intelligent, even by standards of other FBI agents. Some people seem to think that she should have become an FBI agent or something, which I also don't understand. What she did was stupid, and it almost got her and Cooper killed. She wasn't trying to solve the mystery because she was a good detective, or even because she cared who killed Laura. She was just trying to impress an older man. I thought it was cute, but it was stupid.

We don't know yet what Audrey is doing now, but she is apparently a terrible mom.

aleighrose
07-21-2017, 09:00 AM
I find it much easier to believe that the writers would listen to an actor who felt strongly about his character's morals than an actor saying, "I'm jealous, so I don't want any sex implied off screen." When I think about it, it just sounds ridiculous.
I've heard (and read) the interviews where Mark Frost and Sherilyn Fenn confirm that Lara Flynn Boyle convinced the writers to break up Cooper and Audrey. Apparently, Boyle was an incredibly jealous person. Even Lenny von Dohlen complained about her behavior in a panel discussion. And it wasn't about sex; she didn't want the characters to have any chemistry at all. I guess she felt the actors were getting too close. This is why they were split up in the second season. It does not apply to anything that happened in the first season, like those scenes you described.

I agree with you, though, about Audrey investigating Laura's death for the wrong reasons and being pretty reckless. But then again everyone is stupid that way at the age of 18. I like Audrey because she's badass, but I also like Annie because she's socially awkward. It would be a shame if they just ditched Annie from the story in favor of Audrey. There needs to be some kind of closure there--an explanation of what happened to her after she left the lodge.

Celia Cyanide
07-21-2017, 02:38 PM
I have heard that, too, but I still don't know if it's accurate. People didn't like Laura Flynn Boyle, and she didn't have anything nice to say about the show, so I think those claims are exaggerated. I don't see why the writers would have even listened to her. I have a hard time believing that the only reason it didn't happen was her. It was a long time ago, and people have misremembered a lot of details about the show. One example of this is how the character of BOB came to be. There were two separate incidents, and they seem to have been conflated.

I do think what she did was realistic for an 18 year old who had a crush on an older man. But I did like the character of Annie, too. She had an innocence that Audrey did not have. In the deleted scenes of FWWM, you do see what happened to Annie.

aleighrose
08-04-2017, 03:56 AM
I don't have a Bluray player, so I haven't seen The Missing Pieces except for a few clips that have been placed on YouTube. All I saw from those clips was that Annie ends up in the hospital, unresponsive. Is there more to The Missing Pieces that shows what happens to her after that?

robeiae
08-04-2017, 05:07 AM
All I know about it is what I saw on the "Dual Spires" episode of Psych.

LOL. Love the cinnamon festival...

Anyway, I liked Twin Peaks. Didn't think much of the movie (Fire Walk With Me). Hopefully, I'll get a chance to eventually see the new version.

Celia Cyanide
08-05-2017, 08:56 PM
I don't have a Bluray player, so I haven't seen The Missing Pieces except for a few clips that have been placed on YouTube. All I saw from those clips was that Annie ends up in the hospital, unresponsive. Is there more to The Missing Pieces that shows what happens to her after that?

Yes. She is in the hospital with a nurse. She is suddenly conscious and says what she says to Laura. Then she dies. This is, I assume, the reason Mark Frost said that Lana Budding Milford, officially the worst character in Twin Peaks, won the Miss Twin Peaks contest. Because Annie did die. And Hawk recently confirmed this.

The missing pages in the diary! I have been wanting to know what was on those pages since I first read it when it came out! "PAGE RIPPED OUT, AS FOUND" was always so mysterious. Apparently, there is still one more page left to be found.

Cernex
08-07-2017, 06:18 AM
Ya' know, I think I've realized something after this last episode: I'm starting to warm up towards Dougie, and no longer mind THAT much that Coop is still not around. Maybe it was the "Them too" line. Mind you, he's still a walking pile of contrived coincidences, but that's... like, kindda his appeal, I guess.

Also, Ed sure is depressed.

Still want Coop back eventually, however.

Celia Cyanide
08-10-2017, 10:49 PM
me too! I do miss the original Cooper, but I am enjoying how he is still able to do so much with just a little help from the Lodge.

And I found myself rooting for evil Cooper during the arm wrestling match.

aleighrose
08-18-2017, 03:28 AM
Yes. She is in the hospital with a nurse. She is suddenly conscious and says what she says to Laura. Then she dies. This is, I assume, the reason Mark Frost said that Lana Budding Milford, officially the worst character in Twin Peaks, won the Miss Twin Peaks contest. Because Annie did die. And Hawk recently confirmed this.

Okay, I have seen that clip. It doesn't look like Annie dies but becomes unresponsive again after saying what she said to Laura. It also seems like the latest episode confirmed the multiple realities theory. All versions of Hawk, Bobby, and Frank Truman converged when Andy reappeared from the White Lodge. So I'm not counting Annie out yet.

I also get a little tired of Dougie every now and then, but I still find him humorous. I think Dougie would be more appreciated by people who have never seen the original series and therefore have no ties to the old Dale Cooper because he actually is a funny character, but it's difficult for those who care about him to watch him be so helpless and unaware of everything.

Cernex
08-23-2017, 11:49 AM
So, after the electrocution, yay or nay on Cooper coming back, finally?

aleighrose
08-24-2017, 05:11 AM
I think he's coming back. Someone pointed out that the outlets in the purple room where Naido was contained the numbers 3 and 15. Cooper went through the one labeled "3" in the third episode. Maybe he'll come back through the one labeled "15" since he tried to go back through the outlet in episode 15.

Laurasaurus
08-27-2017, 02:33 PM
I think he's coming back. Someone pointed out that the outlets in the purple room where Naido was contained the numbers 3 and 15. Cooper went through the one labeled "3" in the third episode. Maybe he'll come back through the one labeled "15" since he tried to go back through the outlet in episode 15.
Oh my GOD. Of course! I've been trying to figure out what those two numbers meant. It's so flipping obvious now you say it.
Hope so anyway! Need the old Coop back.

Celia Cyanide
08-29-2017, 08:37 AM
HOLY CRAP! He's back! I can't wait for the finale!

Celia Cyanide
08-29-2017, 08:41 AM
Okay, I have seen that clip. It doesn't look like Annie dies but becomes unresponsive again after saying what she said to Laura. It also seems like the latest episode confirmed the multiple realities theory. All versions of Hawk, Bobby, and Frank Truman converged when Andy reappeared from the White Lodge. So I'm not counting Annie out yet.

I also get a little tired of Dougie every now and then, but I still find him humorous. I think Dougie would be more appreciated by people who have never seen the original series and therefore have no ties to the old Dale Cooper because he actually is a funny character, but it's difficult for those who care about him to watch him be so helpless and unaware of everything.

You know, this is probably true. He's actually very entertaining, and Kyle McLachlin is brilliant in the role. It only bothers us because we've been missing him for so many years. I think Kyle deserves an Emmy for his work on this season.

Celia Cyanide
09-06-2017, 04:01 AM
The ending was incredible!

aleighrose
09-06-2017, 09:21 AM
It was a bit demoralizing, though. I mean, I don't expect them to ever defeat all the evil in the Twin Peaks universe, but the good guys can't seem to get even one win. And we never did find out what was up with Audrey. It seemed like she was still in a coma, but it also seemed like Mother/Judy was manipulating that coma to feed off of her or something. Overall, it was kind of a non-resolution. Everyone and everything is still in danger and we don't know what happens, like in the season 2 finale. It was like Lynch and Frost were saying, "We know the original finale had you guys talking and theorizing for 25 years, so here's another ambiguous and disturbing ending to occupy your minds for the next 25 years." It was a good ending; it was just harsh as hell.

Celia Cyanide
09-06-2017, 03:59 PM
It was open ended, but not a cliffhanger. It was everything I would have wanted from the new season, but I realize not everyone feels that way. It was mostly about the Lodge and how it affected everything, and very little of the small town soap opera, and not too much of Audrey and her drama.

Aggy B.
09-06-2017, 07:46 PM
I am hoping it will be available on Netflix. The original seasons were fascinating and I would really like to see the new one. :P