I have a problem with my title

efreysson · Feb 22, 2016

I'm writing a space opera serial, set in multi-star system monarchy I named The Realm of the Golden Dawn. The name comes from the monarchy being founded and bringing stability after a dark and brutal period.

I know it's an unwieldy name, but the point is that they are big on grandiosity and somewhat impractical.

Problem is, I just realized Golden Dawn is the name of that Greek Nazi party.

Ahem.

Should I change it? Are people going to make that connection.

(EDIT: I made a slight mistake in the thread title. The Golden Dawn is not in the actual title of the serial, but the name does come up in the stories)

tiggs · Feb 22, 2016

efreysson said:
Problem is, I just realized Golden Dawn is the name of that Greek Nazi party.

Not to mention Aleister Crowley's occult group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn

Should I change it? Are people going to make that connection.

Personally, I'd change it, if you're still writing it.

Arcs · Feb 22, 2016

yeah. I would change names of people/places/etc if I came across something like that in my writing.

PeteMC · Feb 22, 2016

Crowley was the first thing I thought of, not Greek fascists. Either way I'd agree you probably ought to change it I'm afraid.

_TOG_ · Feb 22, 2016

The alternative is to contact the Greeks and get them to drop their name.

Liosse de Velishaf · Feb 22, 2016

I'd change it, definitely.

Maggie Maxwell · Feb 22, 2016

Yeah, I'm in the "Change it" party. It sucks, I know, I'm sorry. I've been there too, but there are some problems and connections you just do not want.

Brightdreamer · Feb 22, 2016

PeteMC said:
Crowley was the first thing I thought of, not Greek fascists. Either way I'd agree you probably ought to change it I'm afraid.

+1; I thought of Crowley first.

If the connection makes sense (if they use occult-like rituals, or have fascist leanings), maybe tweak it - Realm of the Golden Sun, or some such.

Glyax · Feb 22, 2016

The problem I see here, is that you are likely to have a historical connotation already when it comes to utiziling Golden, and a reference to the sun/new beginnings (mankind is rather unimaganitive I am afraid, and since there are thousands of years prior to us, chatting here and now, sadly the fun easy ones are taken.) That being said, I'm sure everyone here would be happy to helpl brainstorm if you do decide to change your title

Cyia · Feb 22, 2016

efreysson said:
I'm writing a space opera serial, set in multi-star system monarchy I named The Realm of the Golden Dawn. The name comes from the monarchy being founded and bringing stability after a dark and brutal period.

If it's a multi-star system, then "Dawn" or "Sun" singular is too narrow in scope. It sounds like something that might pop up on a single planet rather than exist galaxy-wide. You need a bigger term like The Celestial Reach (as in "our reach extends to the stars") or something implying that they are the center point of the galaxy itself, like Infinite Locus.

If your power-grabbers think big, then you have to, too.

Glyax · Feb 22, 2016

Cyia said:
If it's a multi-star system, then "Dawn" or "Sun" singular is too narrow in scope. It sounds like something that might pop up on a single planet rather than exist galaxy-wide. You need a bigger term like The Celestial Reach (as in "our reach extends to the stars") or something implying that they are the center point of the galaxy itself, like Infinite Locus.

If your power-grabbers think big, then you have to, too.

^ well said. "The Realm of Neverending Light"

edutton · Feb 22, 2016

Glyax said:
^ well said. "The Realm of Neverending Light"

Subliminal echoes of "the sun never sets on the British Empire"... it works.

efreysson · Feb 22, 2016

Glyax said:
^ well said. "The Realm of Neverending Light"

That is a good one, though I want to maintain the element that the Realm was founded at the end of the dark times, as the beginning of a better era.

I'm thinking something like "The Realm of the Brilliant Dawn".

How does that sound?

Cyia · Feb 22, 2016

Dawn still feels constrained to the light of a single sun. Perhaps "enlightenment" as an alternative.

Glyax · Feb 22, 2016

efreysson said:
That is a good one, though I want to maintain the element that the Realm was founded at the end of the dark times, as the beginning of a better era.

I'm thinking something like "The Realm of the Brilliant Dawn".

How does that sound?

Dawn in to singular, as people are stating...

perhaps...

"The Realm of the Enlightened Genesis"
"The Realm of the Emerging Enlightenment"
"The Realm of the Brilliant Renaissance"

Cyia · Feb 22, 2016

Horizon of Enlightenment, as it was the beginning?

efreysson · Feb 22, 2016

Cyia said:
Dawn still feels constrained to the light of a single sun. Perhaps "enlightenment" as an alternative.

Well, it's not mean to be literal.

Liosse de Velishaf · Feb 22, 2016

"Dawn" is fine. I liked Never-ending Light/Dawn or Brilliant Dawn.

Flannel · Mar 2, 2016

I think "Neverending Dawn" would be great.

leifwright · Mar 2, 2016

efreysson said:
That is a good one, though I want to maintain the element that the Realm was founded at the end of the dark times, as the beginning of a better era.

I'm thinking something like "The Realm of the Brilliant Dawn".

How does that sound?

I like it!

AJMarks · Mar 3, 2016

I thought it was an interesting title. I thought of a sunrise in rich colors. Sometimes I think people are too sensitive to word association when its not there.

T Robinson · Mar 3, 2016

Another thing to consider. If you are self publishing, it is pretty much your choice. If you have a publisher, they may want it changed for reasons you might not have considered. They may consider it a marketing decision and act accordingly. There is a thread here somewhere that talks about author's original titles and what they were finally published as.

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Glyax

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