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ghost
01-05-2016, 08:08 AM
This showed up on my Twitter feed tonight.

It's kinda mind blowing.

Today I got mail from Corinne in a box with a Penguin Random House label and a letter that was supposedly from Penguin Young Readers. I received one of the ARCs I requested, a random adult book from a Penguin imprint and a strange looking indie title. The YA book from my list had a “Thrift Books” sticker on it and I’m confident that Corinne bought the ARC I wanted online. This was all a ploy to make bloggers read her novel, Spectaccolo by Christine Catlin, which she claims that Penguin is now publishing in paperback.

http://bookishantics.com/2016/01/04/beware-catfished-fake-penguin-employee/

Filigree
01-05-2016, 08:16 AM
Wow. Stranger than fiction.

jjdebenedictis
01-05-2016, 08:18 AM
:Jaw:

And I don't really have anything more eloquent than that to say about it.

blacbird
01-05-2016, 08:25 AM
I am now introduced to a new noun-derived verb: "catfished". Can someone provide me with a definition/etymology?

caw

cornflake
01-05-2016, 08:30 AM
bird -

It's become pop culture based on the film (about a guy who was lured into an online relationship with someone pretending to be someone she was not) and subsequent tv series (on MTV - checking to see if people's online relationships were for real), but the guy who made the film named it that for a reason. Info here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish_(film))

hianeeqah
01-05-2016, 08:43 AM
This entire thing has sparked so much conversation in the YA community. Many seemed to have been duped in the scheme, and people are just now starting to unravel this incredibly elaborate plot. It's being said she bought other ARCs online to send to bloggers- which means she was monetarily invested in this, all, supposedly, to get attention for her book.

My question: why not just ask bloggers to review her novel? There are plenty of bloggers focused on providing reviews and generating buzz for indie authors.

Sad and a little scary for the entire blogging community.

Fruitbat
01-05-2016, 09:27 AM
Goodness, when will newbies learn that they're really not smart enough to game the system and will only end up looking like buffoons? I just looked up her book and its Amazon sales are ranked in the four millions. I did not even know the rankings went that low so I don't think her plan was real clever, lol.

Polenth
01-05-2016, 10:48 AM
This entire thing has sparked so much conversation in the YA community. Many seemed to have been duped in the scheme, and people are just now starting to unravel this incredibly elaborate plot. It's being said she bought other ARCs online to send to bloggers- which means she was monetarily invested in this, all, supposedly, to get attention for her book.

My question: why not just ask bloggers to review her novel? There are plenty of bloggers focused on providing reviews and generating buzz for indie authors.

Sad and a little scary for the entire blogging community.

That's not how it really goes down. Many of the indie-only blogs have few to no readers. The ones that get the buzz are the big book blogs for a genre. Chances are most of those won't take self-published submissions. So authors say they're a small press instead. There's a lot of demand for the paid services of good promotional sites. Those sites often have a minimum review requirements, which means authors get fake reviews to hit the target. Then too many people are applying, so the target goes up again.

Plenty of communities have a self-promotion area, but not so authors can really promote themselves. It's a way to contain authors who spam the community. That means it's rare for people to actually read that space and talk to the authors, regardless of whether the authors are active members of the community or not. Active members and spammers all go in the same waste bin. But authors who pretend to be someone else can talk about their work as though they're a fan recommending it.

If an author can continue their lie for long enough without being caught, their sales will reach a point where they do well in search results. Readers see the good reviews and buy, because they're not going to Google every author name.

The real question here isn't why someone would lie. There are benefits to lying. It's why she involved Penguin in the lie, as that raises the stakes. It made it more likely she'd be caught early and more likely that it'd end in a court case. That's a much more high-risk lie than most of the schemes I've seen.

Fruitbat
01-05-2016, 11:00 AM
I don't think this was a very sophisticated scam. More like some college kid who thinks she knows much more than she does and got busted right away. I wonder if the silly thing used her real name.

Polenth
01-05-2016, 11:17 AM
I don't think this was a very sophisticated scam. More like some college kid who thinks she knows much more than she does and got busted right away. I wonder if the silly thing used her real name.

There are aspects that are thrown together, but others would have taken planning. It's an odd mix.

(Noting on my last post, I'm not suggesting we all go around lying for the money, because ethics and all that... just that it's not a surprise some people lie when it gets rewarded.)

MacAllister
01-05-2016, 12:29 PM
Plenty of communities have a self-promotion area, but not so authors can really promote themselves. It's a way to contain authors who spam the community. That means it's rare for people to actually read that space and talk to the authors, regardless of whether the authors are active members of the community or not. Active members and spammers all go in the same waste bin. But authors who pretend to be someone else can talk about their work as though they're a fan recommending it.


Hell, yeah. WE did this. And we did it for exactly this reason. People just won't believe that spamming the community isn't going to sell their book, even if they've been here for years -- and especially if they've just read the latest "promote your new book online" bullshit post from the self-pub guru they've picked to follow and emulate. We deal with a constant flood of hopeful writers, signing up for the forums specifically for purposes of self-promotion.

So we built a room to hold the self-promo. Sure, a few people read it, but mostly there's not a lot of conversation there, because it's not a room for which conversation is integral.

It's still NOT how people usually find the books they want to buy and read. But that room spent years being, basically, an alley full of graffiti advertising books no one had ever heard of, and no one cared about.

Then, a couple of years ago, a new room mod made some changes to ensure that the people posting there were actually people invested in the community, and people the community cared about. She busts her ass to give people GOOD advice about promoting their books. That makes a real difference, and it makes the space NOT just a spam graveyard, anymore. She also sends private notes suggesting better ways to promote oneself and one's book. And honestly? We don't want to donate the space for graffiti -- and that's really what that kind of room IS on most forums. I gotta give Ari a ton of credit, here, for making it something else. Then, lo and behold, there IS real conversation and interaction in that room

But if we catch someone sock-puppeting to promote their own book, we torch 'em, too.

Pretending to work for Random Penguin? And pretending you have a Big 5 contract when you don't? That's just colossally stupid and ill-advised. I feel kind of sorry for this person.

And Polenth and Ari are both precisely correct: Without a reason to care about the person who wrote a book you've never heard of, why on earth would any of us care about "I've just published this book!" announcements?

Typically, any reader's TBR pile is bigger than the coming year allows time for, already. But if the writer is someone I know and like and interact with, I'm gonna MAKE space on that pile for her book.

hillaryjacques
01-05-2016, 12:40 PM
Interesting how the author's website and twitter page, active as of 12/31, are now gone. Oh, except for the cached versions. Which say that she works at Random Penguin.

Did someone really think this was a good idea?

mccardey
01-05-2016, 12:40 PM
I feel kind of sorry for this person. You're so sweet.

AW Admin
01-05-2016, 01:43 PM
I am now introduced to a new noun-derived verb: "catfished". Can someone provide me with a definition/etymology?

caw

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/catfish

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/01/18/catfish_meaning_and_definition_term_for_online_hoa xes_has_a_surprisingly.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/where-does-catfish-come-online-hoax-movie-inspired-fishermans-lore-1022374

MacAllister
01-05-2016, 01:45 PM
You're so sweet.
The thing is, even an idea this colossally bad? She can totally walk it back. All she needs to do is own up, say "yeah, I screwed the pooch. TERRIBLE idea, and I'm so very sorry!" Then do better.

Seriously. Writers are full of crap ideas and great ideas and ideas all in between. No one would hold it against her for all that long, I'd bet, because we're writers. Bluntly put: we have other stuff to fixate on. But ultimately: Exploring ideas is our business, and we know FULL WELL some of those ideas turn out to be total crap. Sometimes that exploration leads us into unwise decisions. I'd be willing to bet more writers would sympathize, than not, if she just owned up and said, essentially, "yep - my bad. That was an awful decision, and I'm sorry!" :)

mccardey
01-05-2016, 01:52 PM
The thing is, even an idea this colossally bad? She can totally walk it back. All she needs to do is own up, say "yeah, I screwed the pooch. TERRIBLE idea, and I'm so very sorry!" Then do better.

Seriously. Writers are full of crap ideas and great ideas and ideas all in between. No one would hold it against her for all that long, I'd bet, because we're writers. Bluntly put: we have other stuff to fixate on. But ultimately: Exploring ideas is our business, and we know FULL WELL some of those ideas turn out to be total crap. Sometimes that exploration leads us into unwise decisions. I'd be willing to bet more writers would sympathize, than not, if she just owned up and said, essentially, "yep - my bad. That was an awful decision, and I'm sorry!" :)

Yes, that's absolutely - absolutely - true. We've seen a gazillion of those stories. (I'm remembering one about a book about a cat in the New Hebrides which caused such a ruckus at the time - about 18months ago- and has been forgotten entirely now).

Lessons are learned and things get forgotten. It's this thing called Life.

LindaJeanne
01-05-2016, 04:02 PM
It appears that she used an official Penguin email for at least some of the emails, and a commenters on that page said she had tried to get an internship at the commenter's agency. If she really did get an internship at Penguin just so she could use her work-email to look more official -- wow. That's a LOT of effort put into something that's going to turn around and bite her, hard. She's running headlong into a difficult life lesson, methinks. (or it may be that I'm reading too much into those vague snippits of information.)

Regardless, yes, the best outcome for her will be if she comes clean and apologizes. I do kind of feel bad for her.

If she does have some sort of internship/job at penguin, I do NOT want to be in her shoes when they find out that she was using the email and letterhead for deceptive self-promotion. Called to the carpet, indeed.

BenPanced
01-05-2016, 05:21 PM
You can easily fake anything online with a computer, Photoshop, and a decent printer. A lot of times, you can get around ganking logos and such from the "official" site. Get a cheap domain name by adding an extra hyphen or character (there was a site I frequented where if you forgot the hyphen, you were brought to a porn site). Free email services abound. Boom. Done.

brainstorm77
01-05-2016, 05:58 PM
Too much! :poke:

amergina
01-05-2016, 07:20 PM
I have a feeling this young woman (and she's young: 18 or 19) has/had a temp or interning job at PRH and got this brilliant idea...

...which she's about to discover wasn't very brilliant and will get her in a buttload of trouble with PRH.

Sheryl Nantus
01-05-2016, 07:45 PM
If she does have some sort of internship/job at penguin, I do NOT want to be in her shoes when they find out that she was using the email and letterhead for deceptive self-promotion. Called to the carpet, indeed.

The sad thing is that there are hundreds of young people who would KILL for that job.

And now she's tossed it all the hell away for a stupid idea she probably got off of some silly webpage telling her how to promote her new book.

The fallout will not be kind to her. I don't seen RPH being gentle when it comes to this sort of thing.

:P

LindaJeanne
01-05-2016, 08:31 PM
You can easily fake anything online with a computer, Photoshop, and a decent printer. A lot of times, you can get around ganking logos and such from the "official" site. Get a cheap domain name by adding an extra hyphen or character (there was a site I frequented where if you forgot the hyphen, you were brought to a porn site). Free email services abound. Boom. Done.

Yes, this is why I said "if" :). But it seems more likely that if the e-mail address were spoofed, she'd have been using it consistently -- instead of sending the spam from her Gmail account.

But then, she's clearly not reasoning about things the way I would, so who knows?

veinglory
01-05-2016, 08:40 PM
It was probably not spoofed per se. She just used her gmail and rigged it to show a different "sent from" address (which can be anything you choose to type in). That is the easiest option... even I know how to do it and I am very far from being a computer wizard.

BenPanced
01-06-2016, 02:51 AM
I have a feeling this young woman (and she's young: 18 or 19) has/had a temp or interning job at PRH and got this brilliant idea...

...which she's about to discover wasn't very brilliant and will get her in a buttload of trouble with PRH.

"HellllllOOOOOOOOOOO, free office supplies!"

AW Admin
01-06-2016, 03:32 AM
See the updates here:

http://bookishantics.com/2016/01/04/beware-catfished-fake-penguin-employee/

Scroll down . . .

Justin K
01-06-2016, 03:50 AM
Why do I get the feeling this is a dude and we're all gonna get hit in the head with a wine bottle.

oceansoul
01-06-2016, 06:06 PM
I can't help feeling that for all the effort she had to go through to make up this fake marketing campaign ... with fake letter heads, sent out samples, approaches to bloggers etc, she could have launched a fairly compelling real one.

Sammie
01-06-2016, 07:41 PM
Wow, shaking my head. It amazes me the lengths people will go to promote their book. I've seen a lot of spamming and begging however this is an entire new level. It's kinda sad, and I do feel sorry for her.

Yet the thing that irks me the most is how bad of a influence it has become! My friend (a non-writer) stumbled on this and she was lecturing me, "man, you writers are a bunch of crazy people!" Of course my attempt at a defense were completely denied. I always will despise how one represents the whole.

Not only that but it promotes the fact to newbie writers (I'm a newbie but gosh no) that they should attempt crazy promotion ideas such as this.

To reiterate what Oceansoul said she could have invested all that time in a real promotion. Good point Ocean.

But as time passes we will forget this particular incident.

BenPanced
01-06-2016, 10:03 PM
But as time passes we will forget this particular incident.

The internet is forever. This will be firmly ensconced in the Sh!t You Really Shouldn't Even Think About Trying Hall of Fame™ since it's being discussed on multiple channels; I'll probably even hear about it at least twice during the conference I'm going to in April.

Jamesaritchie
01-06-2016, 10:11 PM
The thing is, even an idea this colossally bad? She can totally walk it back. All she needs to do is own up, say "yeah, I screwed the pooch. TERRIBLE idea, and I'm so very sorry!" Then do better.

Seriously. Writers are full of crap ideas and great ideas and ideas all in between. No one would hold it against her for all that long, I'd bet, because we're writers. Bluntly put: we have other stuff to fixate on. But ultimately: Exploring ideas is our business, and we know FULL WELL some of those ideas turn out to be total crap. Sometimes that exploration leads us into unwise decisions. I'd be willing to bet more writers would sympathize, than not, if she just owned up and said, essentially, "yep - my bad. That was an awful decision, and I'm sorry!" :)

History shows yu're wrong. Most who screw the pooch sink into oblivion. I'm certainly not going to read anything she's written, and should a book of hers ever come through slush I'm reading, it will be rejected without a read. Integrity matters. You can be a truly rotten, arrogant, diva, and all will be fine, but only if you do these things with integrity. When you start telling these kind of lies, start scamming people, chances are you're done.

LindaJeanne
01-06-2016, 10:46 PM
Why do I get the feeling this is a dude and we're all gonna get hit in the head with a wine bottle.

Lets hope she's not as nutso as that guy was!

PoppysInARow
01-06-2016, 11:31 PM
Oh wow. o____o I saw some mention of this person on twitter, but I didn't realize the deception went quite so deep. It's such a shame that people think they can be "smarter" than the system, when really it only hammers the nail in the coffin of her career. I imagine she'll have a hell of a hard time getting anyone to work with her, ever.

AnneMarble
01-07-2016, 10:18 PM
It's "currently unavailable" on Amazon. It ended up with a total of 3.4 stars despite several recent one-star reviews warning people of the deception ... issues. The few good reviews are getting voted down by people who are suspicious of them.

From what I hear, it's doing even worse on Goodreads. I can think of one author who had a worse week on Goodreads,but I won't mention his name.
:crazy:

frimble3
01-07-2016, 10:56 PM
The thing is, even an idea this colossally bad? She can totally walk it back. All she needs to do is own up, say "yeah, I screwed the pooch. TERRIBLE idea, and I'm so very sorry!" Then do better.

Seriously. Writers are full of crap ideas and great ideas and ideas all in between. No one would hold it against her for all that long, I'd bet, because we're writers. Bluntly put: we have other stuff to fixate on. But ultimately: Exploring ideas is our business, and we know FULL WELL some of those ideas turn out to be total crap. Sometimes that exploration leads us into unwise decisions. I'd be willing to bet more writers would sympathize, than not, if she just owned up and said, essentially, "yep - my bad. That was an awful decision, and I'm sorry!" :)
This would have worked if she had done it after the very first fake e-mail/offer to blogger. A person might have had a stupid idea and acted on it without thinking. But, she kept doing it, and would probably be doing it still, if not for the outing and subsequent backlash.
"Yep - my bad. That was an awful decision, and I'm sorry!" is different from "I'm sorry... that I got caught and people made a big deal about it."

Bicyclefish
01-08-2016, 06:47 AM
One lie casts doubt upon everything about her. From her website (https://web.archive.org/web/20150813095439/http://christinecatlin.com/about.php) (via the Wayback machine):


Christine Catlin took college classes throughout middle school at the University of Minnesota, and then graduated from high school by the age of fourteen, then going on to acquire a bachelor’s degree by the age of eighteen. Now she is scouring the internet for opportunities to work in publishing, but is working as an editorial intern. With her B.S. in Psychology, minor in creative writing, and experience working with children, she feels she would do well in either the editorial or publicity department.

Editorial Intern – Red Fox Literary– California
October 2014 through December 2015
Provided a broad range of support and services to Danielle ____, editor at Red Fox. Supported several areas of this agency, primarily in email communications, manuscript revision, and contract negotiation.

Caught in a lie, Danielle Smith of Red Fox tweeted (https://twitter.com/the1stdaughter/status/684532144333438977):


Wow. Ugh. In no way, shape or form did Catfisher Christine Catlin intern or work under me or for Red Fox Literary.


Volunteer– San Francisco Writer’s Conference/ Mike Larsen Agency -- California
February 2015
Minimal work level, but still a rewarding networking experience. Volunteered seven days at San Francisco’s Writer’s Conference and aided in the organization of this with agent Mike Larsen and his wife Elizabeth Pomona
Adding oneself to the directory may be voluntarily, but I can't find her anywhere here (http://askmepc.com/sfwc-volunteers/2015-volunteer-directory/1/?sort=1.6&dir=ASC) nor on any of the scheduling pages. Perhaps she was a general un-credited volunteer and exaggerating her role.

frimble3
01-08-2016, 07:56 AM
B.S. in Psychology? I would have thought she had a more multi-disciplinary approach to B.S.

Samsonet
01-08-2016, 08:46 AM
Oh wow. o____o I saw some mention of this person on twitter, but I didn't realize the deception went quite so deep. It's such a shame that people think they can be "smarter" than the system, when really it only hammers the nail in the coffin of her career. I imagine she'll have a hell of a hard time getting anyone to work with her, ever.

People who try to game the system make me feel sorry for them and frustrated with them at the same time. I'm actually watching another author try to get reviews in a different-but-still-shady way right now. It's not going to end well. But I suppose there's a version of Filigree's Rule that says "some authors just will not learn."

jjdebenedictis
01-08-2016, 05:17 PM
Caught in a lie, Danielle Smith of Red Fox tweeted (https://twitter.com/the1stdaughter/status/684532144333438977):
Wow. Ugh. In no way, shape or form did Catfisher Christine Catlin intern or work under me or for Red Fox Literary. I'm pretty sure "con artist" is a better descriptor than "catfisher" at this point. This kid has created a ficticious persona and credentials in order to defraud people of their services (book reviews).

Filigree
01-08-2016, 05:20 PM
People who try to game the system make me feel sorry for them and frustrated with them at the same time. I'm actually watching another author try to get reviews in a different-but-still-shady way right now. It's not going to end well. But I suppose there's a version of Filigree's Rule that says "some authors just will not learn."

Probably Post# 25 on Filigree's Rule. Because after this, only the vanity publishers will take her.

Lauram6123
01-08-2016, 06:12 PM
One lie casts doubt upon everything about her. From her website (https://web.archive.org/web/20150813095439/http://christinecatlin.com/about.php) (via the Wayback machine):



Seems to be some contradictory information on the same page (bolding mine):


Christine Catlin took college classes throughout middle school at the University of Minnesota, and then graduated from high school by the age of fourteen...

NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS & OTHER INTERESTS
§ Completed high school and attended University of Minnesota concurrently, graduating from high school at sixteen and college at eighteen.

Parametric
01-08-2016, 06:29 PM
I imagine she'll have a hell of a hard time getting anyone to work with her, ever.

Unfortunately, I think she'll just keep doing the same stuff under a new identity. The internet is forever... for Christine Catlin. For Christina Caitlin, it's only just beginning.

Angela
01-08-2016, 09:38 PM
Ugh. I know it's not the same, but for some reason, this whole thing reminds me of 2006's Million Little Pieces fiasco. :beam:

AW Admin
01-08-2016, 10:08 PM
She went after more than one blogger; more from Publishers Weekly:

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-industry-news/article/69068-ya-book-bloggers-targeted-by-catfishing-scheme.html

Bicyclefish
01-09-2016, 02:29 AM
I contacted The Indie Chicks, quoting Christine Catlin's webpage and providing a link to the Bookish Antics article, asking if they could verify her internship.


Editorial Intern– Indie Chick – New York
November 2014 through December 2015

Long-distance aided in development of Indie Chick, an online magazine and lifestyle blog for independent women. This included writing 3-6 posts per week and reviewing submissions from freelance bloggers and writers. Also created and submitted press releases, boosting followers up to thousands.
Chrystal Rose, President of The Indie Chicks, replied (quoted with permission):


I personally interview and place every intern that we bring on board. I never hired an intern by this name. If I did then she may have lasted a week before she realized the internship was actual work, fell off and I subsequently forgot about her.

Our interns were allowed to write for us but generally not right away, most were too busy. There is no way anyone, least of all an intern, would write 3-6 posts a week.

We also separate our marketing & editorial departments and rarely have we had an intern float between the two. So those claims are false as well.
So... anyone surprised?

AnneMarble
01-09-2016, 02:38 AM
So... anyone surprised?

:Jaw:

PoppysInARow
01-09-2016, 05:27 AM
Unfortunately, I think she'll just keep doing the same stuff under a new identity. The internet is forever... for Christine Catlin. For Christina Caitlin, it's only just beginning.

Ack. :/ I'm too much of an optimist in situations like this. Kinda frightening if you think about it too. What about authors who have assaulted readers/agents? Do they just assume a new pen name and get right back at it?

BenPanced
01-09-2016, 06:28 AM
So... anyone surprised?

I'm. So. SHOCKED. I mean. This is my shocked face :| Can you tell how shocked I am?

Filigree
01-09-2016, 08:38 AM
Sooo...before I do a write up on this, I'm trying to trace Silvestri Books of San Francisco. Who have only Spectaccolo and a children's book, only the latter on Amazon right now. Self-publishing imprint of Christine Catlin, methinks.

Filigree
01-09-2016, 09:33 AM
Yup. Found it. Silvestri is Catlin's self-publishing front. Which would have been fine if it was just her...sans catfish antics. But she was looking to 'help' other young and unpublished authors.

Yikes. At this point I don't believe a single thing this person has presented about themselves.

http://opendatausa.com/san-francisco-business.php?id=1015747

ETA: more fun stuff, indicating a very young and probably helicopter parented author.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Animal-Anthology-Project-Tails-ebook/dp/B009TR5Y4M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_351_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ppZ77wRQL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&refRID=0AFBGDXPAH7VMCXG5D0H

LindaJeanne
01-09-2016, 06:53 PM
I initially felt sorry for her, but the web has gotten too tangled. This isn't one supremely bad idea that she didn't think through; it would seem to be consistent behavior.

jjdebenedictis
01-09-2016, 07:37 PM
She's a very energetic young person; you can verify some of the writing credits she has in that Amazon listing. She's just got zero integrity or honesty. I hope she grows out of being a con artist, but with this level of subterfuge, I suspect she's only going to get worse. This isn't just a kid being over-keen; this is a sustained, intentional conspiracy.

Sheryl Nantus
01-09-2016, 10:36 PM
She's a very energetic young person; you can verify some of the writing credits she has in that Amazon listing. She's just got zero integrity or honesty. I hope she grows out of being a con artist, but with this level of subterfuge, I suspect she's only going to get worse. This isn't just a kid being over-keen; this is a sustained, intentional conspiracy.

I have no problem placing full blame for this on her parents.

This isn't a woman coming out of college and deciding to pull a stunt like this. She's been working this up for years, probably assisted and supported by parents who think their special snowflake is too good to go the usual route to be successfully published.

I do hope she sinks like a stone in the publishing world. When you lie that much, it's almost sociopathic. I'd be afraid to be anywhere near her.

Silva
01-09-2016, 11:04 PM
I have no idea how many times I passed by this thread wondering how a person could possibly get scammed by a person who employs fake penguins before I realized that it's not about penguins.

Holy crap, though.

Alessandra Kelley
01-09-2016, 11:31 PM
Oh good grief, she may have the home addresses of underage YA book bloggers.

Filigree
01-10-2016, 04:28 AM
Yep. Mind-boggling, innit?

James D. Macdonald
01-10-2016, 05:13 PM
See also:

https://tezmilleroz.wordpress.com/2016/01/06/not-all-authors-but-readers-are-not-your-bitch/

Filigree
01-10-2016, 10:13 PM
Yes. I'm one of those evil people who tends to look sideways whenever *anyone* starts out with any version of #NotAllInsertCauseHere. There are good intentions from well-meaning people, and then there folks who jump on bandwagons for their own manipulative reasons.

So, no. I don't give Christine Catlin any breaks for being clever or creative in her choice of marketing. I'm going to go out on a limb and utterly break RYFW by saying this: I don't respect her, I don't think she's a fellow writer, and I think her actions feed into negative perceptions of YA writers.

I suspect (and here I am generalizing) that she is the product of a family life that emphasized the trappings of achievement over hard work. Whether it was from moneyed helicopter parents or a neglectful background that taught her 'get mine first', she's obviously internalized the worst of the 'perception is more important than reality' marketing ethos.

She's young, but she has already established a pattern of bad behavior epic even for YA tantrums. She's likely to be back under another name, doing the same things. Don't celebrate her.

BenPanced
01-11-2016, 12:47 AM
She committed fraud. She's a fraudster. A serious lack of ethics and boundaries. If I were an employer and she came to me for a job, I wouldn't even consider interviewing her because I don't trust her any farther than I can spit a piano.

Filigree
01-11-2016, 01:21 AM
Yes, this. Not a good mark on future resumes.

frimble3
01-11-2016, 03:20 AM
I think her actions feed into negative perceptions of YA writers.

More like 'feeds into the negative perceptions of self-published writers'. It has that air of desperation. She may move on from YA, but I doubt her behavior will get better.

Filigree
01-11-2016, 05:30 AM
True. With some profoundly sad exceptions, most of this behavior seems to come from self-published or vanity-published authors, and those who are buying the Instant Fruity Drink Of Your Choice regarding certain small press publishers.

Desperation reeks nearly as much as megalomania.