Please Help Me Ruin Wealthy Aristocrats Socially and Financially With Just Words.

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Hi, everyone.
Thank you for reading my post. Can anybody point me to a resource that can supply me with multiple ways to destroy a wealthy family or career using words alone; and never any physical altercations?
I am writing a fantasy piece and it is heavy on governmental, community and domestic politics in multi-generational households.

I did research episodes like Water-Gate and the Lewinsky-Clinton scandals, but I know there have to be endless ways to accomplish this.
I wish to contrast how when a domestic resident throws a tantrum, dinner is burned; but when a viceroy throws the same tantrum, half of the population revolts, foreign policy fails and all trade stops, and suddenly there emerges an unavoidable war which devastates the treasury.

The above are good examples but I know that there have to be more ways. So, I guess that I am asking more than one question.

I am not ashamed to admit that I don't know everything, which is why I ask.
 
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If you are looking on times when the masses have been incited, look at The French Revolution (the rich were ruined before the revolt haha), also read up on Machievelli (sp?) for some fun. Also, you could look at how words were used for the Arab Spring.
 

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There must be a TV Tropes index for these tropes.
 

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Which kind of ruined do you want to do? All sorts of damage can be done with a borrowed name and a few purchased passwords. The security software and monitoring companies that steal data to prove how vulnerable the data is soemimes sell spare copies to third parties. No physical attack, just few keystrokes.
 

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Which kind of ruined do you want to do? All sorts of damage can be done with a borrowed name and a few purchased passwords. The security software and monitoring companies that steal data to prove how vulnerable the data is soemimes sell spare copies to third parties. No physical attack, just few keystrokes.

Thank you, king neptune. Mirandashell's info has been keeping me busy.
I like what you just wrote. But, FYI, I am writing a fantasy from an outline heavy on the world building and cultural setting.
So, please rephrase without the computer language.
 

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Thank you, king neptune. Mirandashell's info has been keeping me busy.
I like what you just wrote. But, FYI, I am writing a fantasy from an outline heavy on the world building and cultural setting.
So, please rephrase without the computer language.

Without computers you could simply use securities fraud.
 

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Depending on the era, suggestions of illegitimacy (especially if there's another, distant legitimate heir) or of the family being an enemy sympathizer in the wrong armed conflict. Doctored records, like court or church records or family ledgers that suggest someone wasn't baptized in the right church or had died and been replaced. "Long lost" relatives of ill repute who might sully the family name. Gambling debts, financial ruin from shipwrecks or fires, plagues, a female heiress unable to provide a male child - even if the one who's sterile is actually the heiress' husband. Being caught in a compromising position with a person of lesser status. Being caught in a compromising position with a person of the same sex (assuming your setting is in the right time period and location). There are literally thousands of ways an old family could be ruined.
 

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Without computers you could simply use securities fraud.

That still sounds pretty modern. Approximately what era is your fantasy society analogous to, EL?

To expand on these - OP, what sort of magic is possible in your fantasy world? Shapeshifting, illusions and potions instantly come to mind as fantastical ways of committing fraud, fooling people and influencing behaviour.
 

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To expand on these - OP, what sort of magic is possible in your fantasy world? Shapeshifting, illusions and potions instantly come to mind as fantastical ways of committing fraud, fooling people and influencing behaviour.

Interesting concepts, Kaidonni.
Thank you for your input!

To Kaidonni and to everyone else, just so that I don't misunderstand.
So, you are saying that to combine the parish records scenario with shape-shifting, simply have a member of the enemy camp assume the identity of the priest and then falsify the records or even act as an impostor and officiate at the baptism?

Or, the patriarch secretly has abysmal debt but to make matters worse he is about to discover that his bookie is an impostor from the enemy camp who removed "the real bookie" from the picture years ago?

Please show me other directions in which this could go.
 
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Count of Monte Cristo is the best example of this I can think of. Also the best book I can think of. Might require some suspension of disbelief to buy in to the count's machinations though.
 

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Full disclosure: I'm a bookkeeper in my 'Real Job' so money troubles are where my mind goes.

Pros: these can be absolute DISASTERS for a ruling family and their people without a single fist flying. Cons: it's hard to make accounting interesting. The Traitor Baru Cormorant pulled this off really well, I recommend it for the sneakiness of the politicking and fantasy economics. GoT also has it running as a subplot, with the Westerosi government hopelessly in debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos.

Goofy speculation like the Dutch Tulip Mania could tank a family and make them look like idiots. Collusion or perceived collusion with an enemy power would ruin them socially, and financially if the government seizes their assets. See internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Massive gambling debts were mentioned upthread, those are good.
 

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How did the wealthy family get wealthy? What skeletons do they have and in which cabinet are they lurking? Have they commited any crimes?

Those are questions I would ask myself first.
 

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Take a look at the genesis of the Indian Mutiny, how a rumour about the lubrication of a rifle cartridge nearly cost the British Empire India.
 

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Take a look at the genesis of the Indian Mutiny, how a rumour about the lubrication of a rifle cartridge nearly cost the British Empire India.
Ah yes, the "don't ask your soldiers to chew pork and beef fat when your soldiers are mainly Muslims and Hindus; they won't appreciate that" debacle.

Funny, how basic courtesy for other people's beliefs will aid in civil relations.
 

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Thank you, Roxxsmom.
It is about in the renaissance period.

Renaissance -- much harder to ruin people then. I've read letters from travelling Italians to their wives from that period. One guy wrote, "I just bought the prettiest little slave girl. You'll like her a lot." Plus lots of quick use of swords and knives to dispose of problems fast. It's hard to ruin a dude who is just going to kill you himself as fast as he can if he even suspects you might mess him up. This begins to fade around 1600. If you read say, Lord Herbert of Cherbury's autobiography, (he was in Venice around 1610), there are plenty of threats of violence and challenges, but the Aristocracies have learned to work things out in their own interest without anyone Aristocratic being killed. Not even their wives! I suppose all that violence got channelled into other channels such as the Thirty-Years-War or the Eighty-years-War or the Nine-years-War.
 

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Full disclosure: I'm a bookkeeper in my 'Real Job' so money troubles are where my mind goes.

Pros: these can be absolute DISASTERS for a ruling family and their people without a single fist flying. Cons: it's hard to make accounting interesting. The Traitor Baru Cormorant pulled this off really well, I recommend it for the sneakiness of the politicking and fantasy economics. GoT also has it running as a subplot, with the Westerosi government hopelessly in debt to the Iron Bank of Braavos.

Goofy speculation like the Dutch Tulip Mania could tank a family and make them look like idiots. Collusion or perceived collusion with an enemy power would ruin them socially, and financially if the government seizes their assets. See internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Massive gambling debts were mentioned upthread, those are good.

I purchased The Traitor Baru Cormorant after reading Amal El Mohtar's visceral, yet, understated review of the plot for NPR books' review.

The first lines hooked me!
 
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Read Scott Lynch's 'Locke Lamora' books. Plenty of well-applied and disastrous words and sneakiness there, as well as action.

I have committed to purchasing the Locke Lamora books Filigree.
 

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If you are looking on times when the masses have been incited, look at The French Revolution (the rich were ruined before the revolt haha), also read up on Machievelli (sp?) for some fun. Also, you could look at how words were used for the Arab Spring.

Great information, everyone!
I find it interesting that, at least, some, among the progressive youth among these embattled political demographics, think that there is a "Turkish Ideal."

I.e., according to wikipedia:
Some protesters looked to the Turkish model as an ideal (contested but peaceful elections, fast-growing but liberal economy, secular constitution but Islamist government).


The Arab Spring is a great summation of political instability and social breakdowns that will forever ensure that there will always be conflict to keep the reading public swimming in blood shed.
 
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