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stupidname1313
10-11-2015, 07:35 AM
I'm a big MCU fan, I loved Daredevil, I thought Kristen Ritter was alright I Breaking Bad, and I have a massive man-crush on David Tenant, so I'm pretty excited for Jessica Jones and the rest of the Defenders super heroes. Anyone else excited?

Also did you hear about how they've decided to make another Ant-man movie called Ant-man and the Wasp and they're gonna launch another CBS series called Marvel's damage control. All that plus the original MCU films, plus the other shows, plus the netflix series, plus the Spiderman movie they're doing with Sony is going on. Does anyone else think this has the slightest chance of falling apart? I mean I don't want it to, but we gotta understand that's a possibility...

nighttimer
10-11-2015, 08:14 AM
Yes, I am psyched for Jessica Jones. The teasers haven't drawn me in that much because teasers rarely do. However, I did read the original series by Brian Michael Bendis/Michael Gaydos series, Alias, and I dug the hell out of it. It would never happen at Marvel today where its superheroes and nothing but superheroes all the time.

Daredevil met and exceeded my expectations largely in part because Vincent D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk was on point. Heroes are defined by their villains and Fisk was a great one. David Tennant as Killgrave (http://www.cnet.com/news/david-tennants-kilgrave-taunts-marvels-jessica-jones-in-new-netflix-trailer/) makes me very pleased because I know what he does to Jessica Jones and it ain't pretty.

You should read this rave from i09 (http://io9.com/we-saw-the-first-episode-of-marvels-jessica-jones-and-n-1735875690) about what they've seen in the debut episode of Jessica Jones which Marvel previewed at the New York Comic Con. It may make you even more psyched. :hooray:

RetsReds
10-11-2015, 11:33 AM
"Psyched" is a bit too strong word for me, but yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Mainly because of Tennat and Daredevil. Not that I don't enjoy the MCU movies too, I do, but after Agents of Shield I needed Daredevil to give me hope for their TV plans. And Tennat... Well, Tennant is awesome, plain and simple. ;)

RedRajah
10-11-2015, 05:23 PM
This is going to be the first Netflix show I go out of my way to watch (and binge).

CrastersBabies
10-12-2015, 04:07 AM
Very excited. I wish they would release more info with the trailers, though.

Diana Hignutt
10-12-2015, 02:54 PM
I'm looking forward to it. I totally binged on DD, and expect to do the same for JJ.

stupidname1313
10-13-2015, 01:37 AM
Very excited. I wish they would release more info with the trailers, though.

And that the trailers they do release aren't only sixty seconds long...

TheDarrow
10-13-2015, 03:29 AM
My body is ready, as the hip kids say, for the Jessica Jones series to hit Netflix. I've done the research and the homework assignments into the history of the Jessica Jones character, and I'm quite eager to see how Marvel Studios adapts her into the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

...

I am DYING for an real, actual FULL-LENGTH trailer though. >_<

nighttimer
10-24-2015, 02:04 AM
And that the trailers they do release aren't only sixty seconds long...


My body is ready, as the hip kids say, for the Jessica Jones series to hit Netflix. I've done the research and the homework assignments into the history of the Jessica Jones character, and I'm quite eager to see how Marvel Studios adapts her into the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

...

I am DYING for an real, actual FULL-LENGTH trailer though. >_<

Somebody say something about a FULL-LENGTH trailer? (http://comicsalliance.com/jessica-jones-trailer-breakdown/)

:PartySmil

Diana Hignutt
10-24-2015, 02:46 AM
Somebody say something about a FULL-LENGTH trailer? (http://comicsalliance.com/jessica-jones-trailer-breakdown/)

:PartySmil

And now I'm more psyched. Nice. Thanks for sharing the trailer, NT.

nastyjman
10-27-2015, 07:54 PM
Chills. Nothing but chills taken from this trailer. And David Tennant (LOVE HIM!) is seriously creeping me out in this role. Cannot wait.

Manuel Royal
10-27-2015, 10:32 PM
When I first heard about the Jessica Jones series, with the vague description of "a former superhero runs a detective agency", it didn't sound as interesting as the upcoming Lucas Cage and Iron Fist series. But now that I've read some of the comics, and read more about her backstory, Jessica Jones seems like the most interesting character of the bunch. Now I just hope Netflix and Marvel don't cop out, and that they're willing to make this the R-rated grown-up series it needs to be.

Diana Hignutt
10-27-2015, 10:51 PM
When I first heard about the Jessica Jones series, with the vague description of "a former superhero runs a detective agency", it didn't sound as interesting as the upcoming Lucas Cage and Iron Fist series. But now that I've read some of the comics, and read more about her backstory, Jessica Jones seems like the most interesting character of the bunch. Now I just hope Netflix and Marvel don't cop out, and that they're willing to make this the R-rated grown-up series it needs to be.

I expect this to have a similar tone to DareDevil.

nighttimer
10-27-2015, 11:18 PM
When I first heard about the Jessica Jones series, with the vague description of "a former superhero runs a detective agency", it didn't sound as interesting as the upcoming Lucas Cage and Iron Fist series. But now that I've read some of the comics, and read more about her backstory, Jessica Jones seems like the most interesting character of the bunch. Now I just hope Netflix and Marvel don't cop out, and that they're willing to make this the R-rated grown-up series it needs to be.


I expect this to have a similar tone to DareDevil.

Possibly. However, Jessica Jones is willing to go places Daredevil fears to tread (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-marvel-jessica-jones-premiere-20151012-story.html):


Up until now, very little was known about this new Marvel creation, but those who got an early look seem pretty pleased with what was screened.


Abraham Riesman at Vulture (http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/jessica-jones-sexuality.html) was impressed with what he saw.


In his first-impression article he described "Jessica Jones" as "shockingly and refreshingly honest in its depiction of sex and sexuality especially compared to the rest of Marvel's cinematic and televised output, which tends to be heterosexual and vanilla on the rare occasions when it dares to be sexual at all." He goes on to describe a sex scene taken directly from the Bendis' comic book, so "Alias" purists should be happy.


"It's the way real-life grown-ups have sex, not the way neutered TV superheroes do," Riesman wrote. "The audience at Comic-Con seemed to simultaneously clutch its pearls and lean forward in titillated fascination."


Clearly those who weren't familiar with the original comic series, which was the first contribution to Marvel's R-Rated "MAX" imprint, were in for a bit of a shock. Eric Goldman of IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/11/nycc-2015-jessica-jones-premieres-and-proves-to-be-the-most-mature-mcu-project-yet) noted that the sexual content "caused some nervous laughter from the audience of several thousand people, some who brought kids - though Marvel TV's Jeph Loeb did forewarn them that the Netflix material has already proven it's not really kid-oriented."


Sexual intrigue and shock aside, the bigger takeaway from both fan and critical reaction was that "Jessica Jones" was going to dive into larger issues the Marvel Cinematic Universe has all but avoided, and the Netflix "Daredevil" series has (thus far) only dipped its feet in.


Main character Ritter will struggle with PTSD, addiction and a whole host of other problems, but according to Kelsea Stahler (http://www.bustle.com/articles/116224-marvels-jessica-jones-episode-1-preview-at-nycc-was-absolute-fire-so-get-stoked) of Bustle, (http://www.bustle.com/articles/116224-marvels-jessica-jones-episode-1-preview-at-nycc-was-absolute-fire-so-get-stoked) she's no shrinking violet, "At one point, [Ritter] threatens a pipsqueak with the line, 'You turn that thing on and I'll pull your underwear through your eye' and my heart soared." Stahler wrote. "This is the female 'superhero' we've been waiting for."




When Jessica Jones was introduced in Alias, the Brian Michael Bendis/Michael Gaydos comic from Marvel's adult-themed MAX imprint, it didn't skimp on the violence or the sex. The encounter between Jessica and Luke Cage was...memorable.

If you follow the embedded link to the Vulture review, you'll get an idea of how memorable it was. Yeah, I'm kinda looking forward to new frontiers being explored here.

CrastersBabies
10-28-2015, 05:30 AM
Somebody say something about a FULL-LENGTH trailer? (http://comicsalliance.com/jessica-jones-trailer-breakdown/)

:PartySmil

ME! I DID! YAY!!

nighttimer
11-10-2015, 08:25 PM
Jessica Jones continues to kick all kinds of ass in new trailer (http://io9.com/krysten-ritter-kicks-all-the-butt-in-this-amazing-new-j-1741673720).

NEXT. FRIDAY! :yessmiley

whistlelock
11-10-2015, 10:52 PM
Can't hardly wait for this one to start. For those who don't want to take the time to read the original series (you should, it's good) New Media Rock Stars did a great primer on Jessica Jones and how it may be too x-rated for Netflix. It's pretty spoileriffic as it is the source material. You have been warned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKPzkWurAAo

Shadow_Ferret
11-11-2015, 05:52 AM
I have never even heard of Jessica Jones.

whistlelock
11-11-2015, 07:06 AM
That's part of the gimmick.

Shadow_Ferret
11-11-2015, 07:37 PM
That's part of the gimmick.
That no one has heard of that name so they won't know it's a superhero and won't bother watching? Great strategy. :roll:

But seriously, I looked her up and see that she's a more recent Marvel character and seems, from what I read, a rather raunchy one, so I probably won't watch (mostly because I can't get into Netflix series).

nighttimer
11-20-2015, 11:41 PM
That no one has heard of that name so they won't know it's a superhero and won't bother watching? Great strategy. :roll:

But seriously, I looked her up and see that she's a more recent Marvel character and seems, from what I read, a rather raunchy one, so I probably won't watch (mostly because I can't get into Netflix series).

Your loss. More for me. I have heard of the that name and I'm looking forward to the show.

Jessica Jones starts streaming tonight on Netflix and all 13 episodes are available.

Don't bother me this weekend. Except for bathroom breaks and a nap or two, my schedule is all full up .
:yessmiley

RedRajah
11-21-2015, 01:17 AM
Saw the first episode. Yeah, I'm hooked...

brainstorm77
11-21-2015, 09:41 PM
I'm not interested, but the hubby is loving it :)

CrastersBabies
11-22-2015, 12:33 PM
Totally loving it.

Realized tonight that Luke Cage is played by the same actor who played Lemond Bishop on The Good Wife. (Droooooooling)

This is one hell of a great ride so far.

Diana Hignutt
11-22-2015, 06:21 PM
I'm like on the 5th ep (I bouncing between POI Season 4 eps and this on my binge). totally digging it.

Shadow_Ferret
11-22-2015, 09:10 PM
Your loss. More for me. I have heard of the that name and I'm looking forward to the show.



I googled it and read something about it being a "mature" comic and there was a scene about masturbation? Also heard someone elsewhere say this was "more adult" than Daredevil. I don't want more adult. I like my superheroes to be abstaining boy scouts who follow the laws and don't resort to graphic violence.

CrastersBabies
11-22-2015, 09:21 PM
That's good. Super girl is probably your best best. Or Teen Titans on the Cartoon Network. :)

Latina Bunny
11-22-2015, 09:28 PM
I was interested in hearing about another female-hero, but I changed my mind when I heard Jessica Jones (who is a new character to me) was going to be "mature" or "gritty" like Daredevil was.

I like my cutesy, upbeat superheroes. I'll stick to Supergirl and maybe The Flash, for now. (I've been watching more stuff like Jane the Virgin, Crazy ExGirlfriend, Reign, and sometimes The Good Wife kinds of shows than superhero stuff nowadays, anyway.)

Ooh, I think Agent Carter may be back. I'll watch that one, too.

CrastersBabies
11-22-2015, 10:17 PM
The thing is, it's not gritty, dark-super-dark voiceover Batman style. (Thank God.)

There is personality here, and humor.

But, I'm not sure anyone here is super duper excited about convincing others to watch a show they really have no intention of watching.

It's more fun to me to chat with people who are actually viewing it.

Introversion
11-22-2015, 10:58 PM
I'm hooked.

Our "hero" is very nearly an anti-hero. She's very damaged, and angry, and often a bitch to people around her. Given what she's been through, probably realistic. I find it refreshing, really; she's allowed to be A Real Person. After so many Batmanesque "heroes" portrayed that way, nice to see a woman allowed to be as flawed.

It's not for everyone, I'm sure. It's sexually quite explicit for this genre. Not X-rated or anything -- I don't believe we've seen any naked boobs, groins or even butts -- but there's been a number of near-softcore-porn sex scenes in the first five episodes. It's not played for "male gaze", at least.

I've never read the comics this is based on, so for me it's all new. I like the way her powers are revealed naturally and relatively drama-free. There's a fairly early scene where she's lying in bed, trying to sleep, but kept awake by a screaming fight in the apartment above her. With a groan, she fumbles for and finds a boot on the floor by the bed, and throws it overhead. We hear a loud bang, and chunks of plaster falling. Later, we see an inch-deep depression in the ceiling shaped like a boot heel. Nice. :evil

The one thing that sometimes derails the drama for me is that often when our hero delivers a line, I'm hearing and seeing Janeane Garofalo in "Romy and Michele's High School Reunion". I keep expecting Jessica Jones to mention that she invented a fast-burning paper for cigarettes: "Twice the taste in half the time for the gal on the go."

CrastersBabies
11-23-2015, 02:05 AM
I do find this so much more interesting than the Batman/Superman, joyless tripe. There are moments where characters are allowed to have a break, to have a moment of happiness.

Shadow_Ferret
11-23-2015, 05:17 AM
That's good. Super girl is probably your best best. Or Teen Titans on the Cartoon Network. :)

And I do enjoy both of those shows.

nighttimer
11-23-2015, 10:28 PM
The thing is, it's not gritty, dark-super-dark voiceover Batman style. (Thank God.)

There is personality here, and humor.

But, I'm not sure anyone here is super duper excited about convincing others to watch a show they really have no intention of watching.

It's more fun to me to chat with people who are actually viewing it.

I'm fine with anyone who says where Jessica Jones is coming from is somewhere they don't want to go and they probably would be happier with lighter superhero fare like Supergirl. You can't get much less grim and gritty than Superman's cousin.

For those who are enjoying a walk on the wild side with a damaged woman fighting her demons, it helps to know who Jessica Jones is and why she is (http://www.vox.com/2015/11/17/9750672/jessica-jones-marvel-explained).

We did four episodes before letting it go for the weekend and will pick it up again on Thanksgiving. There's only so much football and turkey I can digest before I need a shot of vex and siolence.

Brutal Mustang
11-23-2015, 10:51 PM
I just finished episode 12 last night, while I was working. Got just one more episode to watch. Still loving it.

CrastersBabies
11-24-2015, 12:09 AM
One left for me! Good to see my favorite guy back! :D

heza
11-24-2015, 12:29 AM
The one thing that sometimes derails the drama for me is that often when our hero delivers a line, I'm hearing and seeing Janeane Garofalo in "Romy and Michele's High School Reunion".

OMG! Me, too!


I've only watched a few episodes, but I like it. I like the grittiness, personally, because I expect it to fit in with the Netflix Daredevil universe, and I would feel weird if they weren't connected that way. I can't wait for crossovers.

I feel sort of stupid, though. I hadn't heard anything about it really before watching it, and I don't have any background. So I thought she was a regular Joe character, no powers. I'm keen on the supernatural stuff, so I wasn't sure I'd be totally keen on it like I am Daredevil. So... I totally did not get that she was a super hero until she lifted that car. And then I was all, WTF is going on here. And my husband as all... "The broken window, the boot at the ceiling, the broken door knob.... What did you think was going on?" I don't know. I thought she was just badass. So at that moment, I was both happy that, yay, it's a superhero show after all, and also sad that the badass girl character I thought was just being totally badass was actually a superhero. My husband nearly had a fanboy fit, though, when he realized who the bar owner was.

EMaree
11-25-2015, 08:59 PM
Just finish all the episodes. I enjoyed it, got a lot more into it than Daredevil, but yeesh it was dark. Hard to binge watch. And I feel like it really fell apart in the last three episodes, I've ranted at some length about them to friends.

RedRajah
11-25-2015, 09:58 PM
Baby steps here. I've only seen the first two episodes.

Steve Coate
11-26-2015, 11:02 AM
Just finish all the episodes. I enjoyed it, got a lot more into it than Daredevil, but yeesh it was dark. Hard to binge watch. And I feel like it really fell apart in the last three episodes, I've ranted at some length about them to friends.

I read a theory elsewhere that the reason for that feeling in later episodes is because Hope's death occurred too soon in the series. Once that happened, viewers were expecting a quick resolution (Kilgrave's death), but instead the situation was drawn out for a few more episodes. If that event had been delayed, the last few episodes might have been more satisfying overall.

That said, it was an excellent series and I look forward to S2, as well as Cage's show next year.

EMaree
11-26-2015, 08:11 PM
Steve Coate -- yeah, I'd agree entirely with that. That particular moment should have led into the finale much faster. The pacing of big climatic events, and then a bunch of relaxed and slightly silly scenes, and THEN the finale was a massive issue I had with those final episodes.

CrastersBabies
11-27-2015, 12:24 AM
Makes sense on... Hope's death. That was so stunning and tense that when Kilgrave finally did die, it was kind of anticlimactic.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. I loved seeing the Night Nurse again too. :)

Sheryl Nantus
11-27-2015, 12:49 AM
Steve Coate -- yeah, I'd agree entirely with that. That particular moment should have led into the finale much faster. The pacing of big climatic events, and then a bunch of relaxed and slightly silly scenes, and THEN the finale was a massive issue I had with those final episodes.

I disagree. The problem JJ was having was the need to bring in Kilgrave alive so he could receive justice in a court of law (although, God knows how THAT was going to ever happen). Suddenly she's adrift and having to figure out her course.

Because, let's face it - she could have darned well had a sniper take him out at distance if all she wanted to do was kill him. She refused to because she believed in bringing him to justice not only to show Hope she wasn't crazy but for all those others who Kilgrave abused to allow them a sense of closure.

JMO

EMaree
11-27-2015, 03:52 AM
I disagree. The problem JJ was having was the need to bring in Kilgrave alive so he could receive justice in a court of law (although, God knows how THAT was going to ever happen). Suddenly she's adrift and having to figure out her course.

Because, let's face it - she could have darned well had a sniper take him out at distance if all she wanted to do was kill him. She refused to because she believed in bringing him to justice not only to show Hope she wasn't crazy but for all those others who Kilgrave abused to allow them a sense of closure.

JMO

I like that reading of those episodes -- that Jess was adrift trying to come to terms with the fact she was actually going to have to kill -- but I really didn't get that from the show. Jess is always very pragmatic, and she has a lot of rage in her about Kilgrave (especially during the hermetic chamber beatdown). I understood her struggling to kill Kilgrave before the fight really got personal, but after Hope kills herself felt like the wrong time for Jessica to be filled with indecision. The one thing stopping her from unleashing her full rage is gone, so why pull back then, of all times?

I'm trying to explain my reading of the scene, but not intending to argue, so I hope it doesn't come across that way. It feels like we've interpreted that part of the series in quite different but equally valid ways.

Sheryl Nantus
11-27-2015, 06:47 AM
Don't forget the police station confrontation - Kilgrave teases her with the truth that she doesn't know what's going to happen if/when he dies. And it's a valid concern, when he has the police with guns on each other. It's a constant concern of hers that he's got his own kill switch and she'll feel responsible for every death that happens - even though it's NOT on hers, she takes it as such.

and I think it's fine if we both have different takes on it - as long as we agree it was a hell of a good series overall!

:)

Diana Hignutt
11-28-2015, 06:17 PM
Finished watching last night. It was just terrific. And, the best Marvel villain award goes from Loki to Killgrave. Now, I'm psyched for Luke Cage, DD2, Iron Fist, and the Defenders.

dragonjax
11-29-2015, 07:36 PM
Finished watching last night. It was just terrific. And, the best Marvel villain award goes from Loki to Killgrave. Now, I'm psyched for Luke Cage, DD2, Iron Fist, and the Defenders.

Yes. All of this. Especially Tennant crushing it as Kilgrave.

Cyia
11-29-2015, 07:46 PM
*reads thread*

*mourns lack of Netflix*

*cries*

*scours YouTube in search of clips*
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(*Wonders why Ten is purple*)

Introversion
11-29-2015, 08:08 PM
Yes. All of this. Especially Tennant crushing it as Kilgrave.

He was quite good.

I'm not a Doctor Who fan but my wife and DD are, so I've endured exposure to David Tennant's turn as The Doctor. :flag: Frankly, didn't think much of him as an actor based on that. But he really nailed this character IMO.

RedRajah
11-29-2015, 08:26 PM
DT does a great rendition of "Hamlet" if you're looking for a challenge.

K.P. Iris
11-30-2015, 05:50 AM
I watched it last week and just went through it again this past weekend. There definitely are some problems with pacing with the last few episodes feeling dragged out but I still loved it. Just the right amount of drama and light hearted moments to keep me emotionally invested in what happens to the characters.


Yes. All of this. Especially Tennant crushing it as Kilgrave.
I, too, am a fan of Tennant and Doctor Who and I thought he was fantastic as the emotionally damaged Kilgrave. Not sure what all of those Whovians were crying about, their precious Tenth Doctor's image being ruined. He's a frickin' actor! It's in his job description to don different personalities and become someone else.

dragonjax
11-30-2015, 04:24 PM
I, too, am a fan of Tennant and Doctor Who and I thought he was fantastic as the emotionally damaged Kilgrave. Not sure what all of those Whovians were crying about, their precious Tenth Doctor's image being ruined. He's a frickin' actor! It's in his job description to don different personalities and become someone else.

Ten is my Doctor. :D Anyone who watched "The Waters of Mars" or "The Family of Blood" knows just how dark the Tenth Doctor could be. That's part of why I loved him so much; there were times when you saw the dark god peeking through.

CrastersBabies
11-30-2015, 07:09 PM
Oh yeah, Ten is amazing. (Just finished Ten's stint and already missing him.) The End of Time showed me what Tenant is capable of. Truly heart-breaking and worthy of much accolades.

ErezMA
12-10-2015, 05:05 AM
So I recently finished the show, and I really liked it. I'm a bit reluctant to say that I loved it, but I really did enjoy myself.

Firstly, I loved the fact that she breaks the mold of "The most unbeatable superhero oh, but hey, there are other unbeatable people too! Suddenly, we're both kind of beatable!" No, she is really strong, but she's not unbeatable. Bullets can kill her and she can't dodge them. She has faults, she has scars. And you know what? I'm even glad that she doesn't have an outwardly feeling of concern for the world. Sure, she went after Kilgrave but she had a personal stake in this.

I guess the show is a bit more relatable because most people aren't the kinds of people who would give themselves up for the world.

ETA: Oh, and I love Kilgrave. The actor did a fantastic job, and his powers were presented in a very real and provocative way. I loved when he was "good" for a scene (with the additions of the Star Wars reference.) I think it'd be pretty neat if he was a hero, although I do understand that the storyline wouldn't allow it.

Ravioli
12-10-2015, 10:28 AM
Meh.

I was excited because I read David Tennant, whom I loved as the squeaky, cuddly Doctor, would be "shockingly creepy" in this one.
He wasn't. His power was so absolute that there was hardly any suspense or creepiness there except when there was a character you didn't know has been kilgraved and suddenly goes doing kilgravy stuff. Beyond that, he wasn't scary at all. He was a tantrumming a-hole child who happened to be able to do more than scream and rip up his crayola doodles. He was bland and pathetic. All he did was the mind control version of a sad, disappointed, rejected little boy. Eliott Rodger goes Marvel. "Ha ha the world hates me and is mean to me so I'm gonna be mean right back!" *sobs secretly*

I liked Jessica for being the real creep though. When it turns out that a) Kilgrave's power over her is limited and b) his commands are taken literally, she suddenly wasn't so innocent anymore in Reeva's death, because "Take care of her" is Kilgrave (literal) for "Walk her home, wipe her butt, feed her, and put her to sleep".

Also, I hated the crazy redhead. Kilgrave should've told her to spoonfeed herself her own innards.

Helix
12-10-2015, 10:42 AM
I, too, am a fan of Tennant and Doctor Who and I thought he was fantastic as the emotionally damaged Kilgrave. Not sure what all of those Whovians were crying about, their precious Tenth Doctor's image being ruined. He's a frickin' actor! It's in his job description to don different personalities and become someone else.

One of Tennant's earliest television roles was as a serial killer in The Bill. (Sure, he killed fewer people than the coppers did in the day to day running of Sun Hill, but he gave it a go.)

Ravioli
12-10-2015, 11:32 AM
I adored him as the Doctor. He never managed to captivate me in any other role. But Tennant is the Doctor in Doctor Who, and outside of it, he's either David Tennant or another role, neither to be expected to be (like) the Doctor I love so.

ErezMA
12-11-2015, 06:30 AM
Also, I hated the crazy redhead. Kilgrave should've told her to spoonfeed herself her own innards.

For some reason, I first read, "I loved the crazy redhead." But yes, that would be a great suggestion for Kilgrave.

Ravioli
12-11-2015, 12:29 PM
Being both angry, loud, AND excessively articulate annoys me so much. I dunno why, I'm just like, "How dare this person's speech be conflicting and yet so serious, kill her NOW!" while I keep getting told in a good way that I should go into politics because the angrier or more passionate I am, the more articulate I am myself, "just like Hitler". Gee thanks Mum.

Diana Hignutt
12-11-2015, 03:47 PM
I adored him as the Doctor. He never managed to captivate me in any other role. But Tennant is the Doctor in Doctor Who, and outside of it, he's either David Tennant or another role, neither to be expected to be (like) the Doctor I love so.

Ever see Fright Night or Broadchurch?

Alessandra Kelley
12-16-2015, 10:25 PM
Ran into this comment by "Guardian" critic Lucy Mangan:


Superman is loved for saving the world; Jessica Jones is loved for saving women from feeling that they are alone.

nighttimer
12-22-2015, 08:52 PM
Meh.

I was excited because I read David Tennant, whom I loved as the squeaky, cuddly Doctor, would be "shockingly creepy" in this one.
He wasn't. His power was so absolute that there was hardly any suspense or creepiness there except when there was a character you didn't know has been kilgraved and suddenly goes doing kilgravy stuff. Beyond that, he wasn't scary at all. He was a tantrumming a-hole child who happened to be able to do more than scream and rip up his crayola doodles. He was bland and pathetic. All he did was the mind control version of a sad, disappointed, rejected little boy. Eliott Rodger goes Marvel. "Ha ha the world hates me and is mean to me so I'm gonna be mean right back!" *sobs secretly*

I liked Jessica for being the real creep though. When it turns out that a) Kilgrave's power over her is limited and b) his commands are taken literally, she suddenly wasn't so innocent anymore in Reeva's death, because "Take care of her" is Kilgrave (literal) for "Walk her home, wipe her butt, feed her, and put her to sleep".

Also, I hated the crazy redhead. Kilgrave should've told her to spoonfeed herself her own innards.

The crazy redhead worked my last good nerve as well. She should have died painfully and bloodily.

But there was more than enough of that sort of thing in Jessica Jones. We finished the last episode Sunday. Conclusion: Good, watchable, but it's no Daredevil. I was psyched, but now I'm just lukewarm and while most critics have gushed, some came out feeling a little letdown as I did (http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/a-special-note-to-those-of-you-who-thought-jessica-jones-was-just-ok.php).

Maybe because when you get down to it, this show is about a rape survivor still being tormented by her rapist. Jessica is an alcoholic, antisocial, abrasive and damaged woman who cares about nothing and no one, not even herself. That's what the show was going for and it succeeded, but the thing is Jessica's unlikeability made it hard to care about her.

David Tennant was fine as Killgrave, but he lacked imagination. Make a guy stand and face a wall while he pees and craps on himself? Nasty, but far from lethal. If you're going to make everyone in a police station hold their guns on each other, then make them pull the trigger and let the carnage ensue. Lethal would be Killgrave walking into an air control tower and telling the staff to make planes crash into the ground and each other or instructing the doctors, nurses and patients in the hospital to kill each other.

Killgrave delighted in torturing Jessica mentally with his sick mind games and dropping bodies all over the place because she wasn't ready to commit to taking him out. Jessica should have listened to Breaking Bad's Mike Armentrout about the foolhardiness of "half-measures." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIG7VvngUK4) If you're going to be a villain, go all out and really pose a threat to our anti-hero. If you're a hero, stop dicking around with your half-baked schemes and take out the villain before he drops more bodies.

I thought the show peaked at Episode#10 with its huge body count and then dragged its ass to a predictable finish. I liked Jessica Jones, but I did not love Jessica Jones and I'm a little disappointed to say that. I'm unsure I would re-up for another season.

CheesecakeMe
12-23-2015, 02:45 AM
Meh.

I was excited because I read David Tennant, whom I loved as the squeaky, cuddly Doctor, would be "shockingly creepy" in this one.
He wasn't. His power was so absolute that there was hardly any suspense or creepiness there except when there was a character you didn't know has been kilgraved and suddenly goes doing kilgravy stuff. Beyond that, he wasn't scary at all. He was a tantrumming a-hole child who happened to be able to do more than scream and rip up his crayola doodles. He was bland and pathetic. All he did was the mind control version of a sad, disappointed, rejected little boy. Eliott Rodger goes Marvel. "Ha ha the world hates me and is mean to me so I'm gonna be mean right back!" *sobs secretly*

I disagree, I thought he was totally creepy, though that might be because I've known people like Kilgrave so there's that relatability for me. Sure they can't convince someone to instantly slit their own throat or stare at a fence for two days straight, but through subtle manipulation and emotional abuse I've seen stuff pretty close to it. I currently know one man whose convinced his young girlfriend that her paying all his rent and bills while he kicks back and plays videogames is like totally an awesome thing to do. Watching the girl work 75+ hours a week, working until she literally drops with exhaustion so her man can have his unlimited chill time, and do it with a smile plastered on her face is one of the damn creepiest things I've ever had to witness.

wonderactivist
12-23-2015, 04:14 AM
Ten is my Doctor. :D Anyone who watched "The Waters of Mars" or "The Family of Blood" knows just how dark the Tenth Doctor could be. That's part of why I loved him so much; there were times when you saw the dark god peeking through.

Tom Baker was my Doctor but I really did enjoy Tennant in the role too. LOVED him in HP. (But I also may be the only person who liked Christopher Eccleston :Shrug:)

I've only just started Jessica Jones (on episode 3 so have barely seen Tennant) but am thoroughly enjoying it except one thing: JJ spends a lot of time walking around, like they don't have enough script to fill the time slot. It gets on my nerves.

CrastersBabies
12-23-2015, 11:22 PM
Oh, I adored Christopher Eccleston. I like him as an actor all around. He's wonderful in the Leftovers.

RedRajah
12-23-2015, 11:53 PM
I admit, Eccleston gives me warm evil feelings in the subcockles as much as Tennant.

dragonjax
12-25-2015, 01:52 AM
I admit, Eccleston gives me warm evil feelings in the subcockles as much as Tennant.
Ditto! Eccleston was, pardon me, fantastic!

wonderactivist
12-26-2015, 09:50 PM
Ditto! Eccleston was, pardon me, fantastic!Thanks, y'll! I'm so tired of people dogging him as the Doctor. He and Rose had a wonderful chemistry.

EMaree
12-28-2015, 05:17 AM
Eccleston is *such* an underrated Doctor. My best friend in high school was a huge fangirl of his, after he played the Doctor (our first Doctor!) she introduced me to all his filmography. (Including plenty of dodgy wigs and dodgy sex.) He's a really talented actor and be all accounts seems to be a lovely bloke and thoroughly decent man. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for his perfect portrayal of a post-Time-War Doctor, equal parts rage and fierce hope.

CrastersBabies
12-29-2015, 02:26 AM
My daughter and I watched the first season of HEROES last week. Eccleston played Claude, the invisible man. My daughter yelled, "That's the DOCTOR!" So, she and I are all over that. :)

Cannuck
12-29-2015, 02:49 AM
I loved the Kilgrave character, the fact that he was just a rejected little boy with anger issues made me relate to him. He was twisted and very much like a child in the way he played with people and I think in a weird way he did love Jessica, who was in her own way very similar to him. Imperfect, self hating but deep down she was good and capable of love, at least for Patsy. In the end, even with her dim view of the world and the people in it she just wanted to do the right thing. Patsy's character was a bit empty to me. I had trouble relating to her and she was more background noise than anything.
Overall I enjoyed this series.

Max Vaehling
12-31-2015, 09:29 PM
I gotta admit I wasn't psyched for JJ at all after watching Daredevil which started great but left me rather underwhelmed toward the end. And constantly adjusting my player settings so I could see stuff. (Also, I usually prefer my superhero shows more upbeat. Needn't be up all the way to Supergirl ot The Flash in up-beat-ness, although I really like those, but if I want to get depressed, I'll.. no wait, why would I want that?)

Watched it anyway, out of obligation (it's the MCU after all) and because Krysten Ritter always deserves a shot. First impression pretty much matched my expectations: slow pacing that seemed to drag on a lot, a bleak atmosphere, that kind of stuff. At least I could see eveything this time. Ritter was great, though. So was the woman who played Hope anmd some others. Then, slowly, the stakes started to become more apparent, and I was hooked.

The ending was a bit of an anti-climax after ten episodes of building up to but still worked for me. Some performances were better than others but the overall quality was good. Tennant maybe wasn't scary but he sure was creepy. I loved a lot of the small beats, too, like the constant abuse of Jessica's door and, of course, her line to Tennant: "You're not Ten anymore-." People should tell him that in everything he plays.

I love when a show I'm so-so about surprises me in a good way. Last time that happened must have been Orphan Black.

Still not entirely hooked for Luke Cage. That actor left me rather cold, I gotta say. I'll watch it anyway, there may be another surprise, right?

And for the record: Eccleston totally was my doctor back in the RTD days (now it's Capaldi), but I didn't even fully appreciate his skills until I saw him outperform everybody on Heroes even when he (well, his character) was invisible.