How Do People Keep Publishing Banned Genres

Definitely not an expert but from what I've heard it's really Amazon that regulates what is published with them more than the other sites. And even then some of that can be worked around, in fact the pseudo-incest is the work around for actual incest but you need to be careful on how you present it on Amazon not to be adult filtered.

I don't think monsters are outright banned, it's bestiality that's the problem so if you have a monster that is more animal than not then you start getting into bannable areas. But if you have a humanoid monster than that is fine from what I understand.

Dubcon is another one that I think there are ways to work around it. Like PI though most of it is up to how you present it, and Amazon is the one that is really watching out for those kinds of things while other publishing sites are more willing to let things pass.

If the book "Apeshit" toght us anything is that yes, some authors go too far, but you can get anything published. (Shudders in revulsion) Anything.

Actually, I would like to add my two cents about publishing pseudo-incest and other dubious content. Just write under a great pen name, use social media to bring in fans, and make sure you published under B&N. However, this is just my experience in these matters. Or you could sell dubious content to private buyers such as adult entertainment companies and porn stars. I hope this helps.

Generalbrock said:

I keep hearing that the real money in Erotica is in pseudo-'family' stuff, monsters and dubious consent. Yet it seems these topics are banned in the TOS of every major publishing site. But when I look them up, there are plenty of these stories populating Amazon, Smashwords and B & N.

I have no interest in the 'family' stuff, or dub consent, but I think that monster erotica might be fun to write. However, the last thing I want to is to get banned from any of the major publishers. Is there something I'm missing here, or have these people just been lucky so far? Does anyone here have any experience writing in these genres?

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Amazon is the only one that even tries to ban it. B&N and Smashwords have no rules against it. They pretty much allow anything as long as the humans are 18+. I know B&N even allows full bestiality. Not sure about Smashwords.

As for monsters, they're OK with all the publishers, even Amazon. The only issue is with werewolves, they can't have sex in wolf form. Which is fucking stupid. I mean, come on, what's the point then? But whatever. Aside from no transformed werewolf sex, every other monster is fair game from minotaurs, satyrs, tentacle monsters, and even dinosaurs count as monsters and not animals.

Wait, so, consensual sex scenes (but by a strictly legal US definition not) between an adult and a seventeen year old is not allowed in any of these markets???

IWriteWeirdStuff said:

Wait, so, consensual sex scenes (but by a strictly legal US definition not) between an adult and a seventeen year old is not allowed in any of these markets???

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I think in the US there is a whole world of difference between 17 and 18 (even though the age of consent varies by state). After all, the cut off has to be somewhere. I see it as the same with the legal drinking age. The age is usually 21 and no one expects to get served in a bar when they are 20 years and 364 days old. So I don't see a big problem with that in practical terms. If I was an erotica author, I'd just change the age from 17 to 18.

Also, of course sex between or with those under 18 is written about, even in YA. But the difference is it's not written "to titillate." In other words, tone down the eroticness. (is that a word?)

And, "literary" fiction seems to have more leeway on that as well.

IWriteWeirdStuff said:

Wait, so, consensual sex scenes (but by a strictly legal US definition not) between an adult and a seventeen year old is not allowed in any of these markets???

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Er, isn't the age of being considered an adult 18 years of age? (In the United States, at least.)

From what I've seen, very erotic, er, Erotica tends to focus on sex between adults--meaning people 18 years and up....

Age of consent for sexual intercourse varies rather a lot. Across Europe it's mostly 14-16 (most commonly 16), although often with higher ages for situations where there's a potential coercion issue (eg teacher/pupil). Even in the US it varies a lot from state to state, and is 16 in many states. The age at which one is legally an adult is not identical to the age at which one is deemed capable of giving informed consent to a number of things (for example, medical treatment).

Publishers (including self-publishing hosts like Amazon) use 18 as the cut-off point because if they don't, sooner or later some politician in the US will try to drum up votes by going after them for child pornography on the basis that the sex would be underage *somewhere* in the US.