Uhm, non-erotica genre, erotic-vocabulary advice needed

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Sooo. I have read a solid bunch of erotica, but I think it's actually the reason why I need to ask this :D

I have mildly-explicit sex scene/s in the novel, and while I don't always name the parts, I've come to a point where I need to. And I'm not sure which words are best suited for it, because the ones I know are probably the least subtle *ekhm*. Talking to my Canadian friend made me realize my hierarchy of mildness isn't necessarily the one in common perception, but he's all that oriented in the subject so I'm asking here.

Could someone with more experience tell me which words are considered to be most crude, which are mild and neutral, and which are more suited for a virgin to use? By mild I mean things that won't make an unsuspecting reader feel uncomfortable, but are also something a not-shy not-too-subtle PoV character would use in their narration.

Just typical and common words, I'm not going to get flowery (and if I ever need to, I'll have fun inventing stuff ^^).

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What genre is it? Like... are we talking modern-day, historical, fantasy, what?
 

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Fantasy, but close to modern day with modern day vocabulary sans the most colloquial things born on the internet :)
Sorry, should've mentioned it in the first post.
 

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Words for what? Perhaps my vocab on this issue is too extensive because there is a general scale relating to works of all the bits and all the stuff they do.
 

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In US English? If you axe euphemisms, there aren't a lot, lol. Mildness is usually indirect. Hence, euphemisms.

Male: cock (less crude), dick (crude)
Female: pussy (mild), cunt (crude). AFAIK, these are the only words universal in US English. Most words other than "pussy" would be considered demeaning, in all likelihood. This is for internal dialogue, I assume?
 

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Words for what? Perhaps my vocab on this issue is too extensive because there is a general scale relating to works of all the bits and all the stuff they do.

Human parts for both sexes (including breasts... Boobs sounds silly, tits sounds crude, bosom sounds plain strange), but if you throw in bonuses for actions, I won't be saddened :D

In US English? If you axe euphemisms, there aren't a lot, lol. Mildness is usually indirect. Hence, euphemisms.

Male: cock (less crude), dick (crude)
Female: pussy (mild), cunt (crude). AFAIK, these are the only words universal in US English. Most words other than "pussy" would be considered demeaning, in all likelihood. This is for internal dialogue, I assume?

It's funny how dick is the more crude one since it's also short of Richard and a name in its own right, isn't it? :D Always amused me. It's one of the things I sure had wrong.

What euphemisms would you have in mind?

From the top of my head I also have manhood and shaft used for males, how are these perceived? And vagina for women which seems to be more commonly used than penis, from what I've seen, which is treated as a clinical word by many. Is that true?

The kind of more flowery words that would be out of place in my prose are things like a secret garden for pussy and similar :D They sure have their place, but the characters from whose PoV the sex/erotic descriptions are shown would never use them seriously. Although I do have one scene where I could use a similarly delicate word for a male organ... Hm. I can Google for that I think, unless someone drops by with a fun idea :)
 
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Milder text tends to just not use nouns, because euphemism are now generally considered purple prose or generally silly. For the phallus standard erotica tend to use cock. Milder and literary, penis. Dick seems to be considered more explicit even though it is actually what more men refer to their own as, and to me it reads as less explicit. All the euphemisms and vagueries lean less explicit: rod, manhood etc.

Most frank words for the vagina or anus tend to read as explicit. The same euphemism/vaguery approach applies: hole, cleft leaning towards outright silliness and not being specific about slot A at all.
 

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I would use "breasts." "Tits" is cruder.
It's one of the things I sure had wrong.
Don't feel bad. I never understood that one either. "Manhood" would be a bit flowery, "shaft" might be dated, and "vagina" and "penis" are both considered clinical, you are right. Sex scenes can be the most difficult scenes to write precisely because they're so subjective -including preferred language- and there are cultural hangups to dodge, etc. I usually just avoid this dilemma by implying, referring to "her," the whole, when I mean a specific part, i.e. synecdoche, if you want to be fancy. I still try to deploy a lot of specifics, so the entire scene isn't a vague, censored blur. If I was writing erotica, I would just be direct, naturally. Euphemisms are not ideal, but I still see "core" sometimes for vagina. Best to avoid euphemisms, as veinglory said, for modern settings. I'm in a historical headspace these days.
 
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This makes me both laugh and feel old. Dick seems mild to me (and also not that great for a sex scene) and cock is the more aggressive word to my ear. You already mentioned shaft (I don't find it dated, personally), there's also erection or just hardness or hard-on.

I agree breasts is a hard one, and I think whenever I try other things, I always just come back to breasts and nipples and qualify with descriptive extras if necessary.

The ladyparts you have...crease and lips and passage if you're wanting to be generally specific about the "where." I see center and core a lot, too, far more general. If the woman is young, bits (or ladybits) can work in certain kinds of lighter scenes. (But I think it would read silly if said or thought by a male.) I've had beta readers scold me for vagina as too clinical. *sigh*
 

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I would use "breasts." "Tits" is cruder.

Don't feel bad. I never understood that one either. "Manhood" would be a bit flowery, "shaft" might be dated, and "vagina" and "penis" are both considered clinical, you are right. Sex scenes can be the most difficult scenes to write precisely because they're so subjective -including preferred language- and there are cultural hangups to dodge, etc. I usually just avoid this dilemma by implying, referring to "her," the whole, when I mean a specific part, i.e. synecdoche, if you want to be fancy. I still try to deploy a lot of specifics, so the entire scene isn't a vague, censored blur. If I was writing erotica, I would just be direct, naturally. Euphemisms are not ideal, but I still see "core" sometimes for vagina. Best to avoid euphemisms, as veinglory said, for modern settings. I'm in a historical headspace these days.

This makes me both laugh and feel old. Dick seems mild to me (and also not that great for a sex scene) and cock is the more aggressive word to my ear. You already mentioned shaft (I don't find it dated, personally), there's also erection or just hardness or hard-on.

I agree breasts is a hard one, and I think whenever I try other things, I always just come back to breasts and nipples and qualify with descriptive extras if necessary.

The ladyparts you have...crease and lips and passage if you're wanting to be generally specific about the "where." I see center and core a lot, too, far more general. If the woman is young, bits (or ladybits) can work in certain kinds of lighter scenes. (But I think it would read silly if said or thought by a male.) I've had beta readers scold me for vagina as too clinical. *sigh*

Flowery, hm. All right, I guess I'll have to go with something different as that was my placeholder word in one scene. Might just end up with a cock and be done with it, but I'll keep the others in mind for different characters who would find the word too harsh or literal to 'think'. I guess cock is not too bad, I even got gifted a T-shirt with a bunch of roosters saying "Tiny Cocks Make Me Giggle" :D

I've actually written a more detailed and complex sex scene without the use of a single noun, and sometimes it can work, but in this case it's a solo scene, and because of certain silly circumstances he states (to himself, mentally) quite clearly what he likes, and that's his <whatever word I go with> :D

I find that it's easier to write an even rather detailed sex scene without using any noun whatsoever than a deep-PoV narration or commentary. As you said it's going to be understood when it's said "she took him in" during a sex scene, but out of context something like "he looked at himself" won't really imply his cock whatsoever and would need some contextual gymnastics to achieve the same effect haha. Not to mention describing another person while paying attention to their bits. That's where breasts become a big issue :D

Describing breasts without being silly, flowery, or vulgar is strangely difficult. "Breasts" also sounds somewhat clinical to me, which is why the word doesn't fully convince me, but I'm not sure if there's a better alternative.

Her mounds of love looked great that shirt <3

English is still sooooo much better to write erotica in than my native tongue. Man, we can be either vulgar, very vulgar, clinical, or sound like children. There are no mild words whatsoever, I don't think. Not even a boob-equivalent. Only a tit-equivalent. And words for dick and cock sound twice more vulgar than these do in English :D
 

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What do you think your particular characters would really say?

A girl might avoid or just refer to sexual parts as "it," "thing," or "down there," if at all. She might be likely to think of and talk about the overall experience rather than discuss specific body parts. Imo she probably wouldn't use the dictionary-correct terms she'd use with her physician.

Or girls might use slightly cutesy but not "dirty" words, her "boobs," and "woo" his "ween," "peen." Imo guys would be more likely to use the "cruder" words but maybe not to his girl, just depending.

Also, where I'm from, "cock" was only used in porn or erotica. "Dick" wasn't more crude, it was what people actually said.
 
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I've actually written a more detailed and complex sex scene without the use of a single noun, and sometimes it can work, but in this case it's a solo scene, and because of certain silly circumstances he states (to himself, mentally) quite clearly what he likes, and that's his <whatever word I go with> :D

Reading this it occurs to me a guy might use prick to refer to his own...member. Or maybe that's way old-school

out of context something like "he looked at himself" won't really imply his cock whatsoever
Hmm, I understand the difficulty. I guess like Fruitbat says, you just have to decide what your character would call his penis and go with it, but it does open up more possibilities since it's not really a love-scene-sex-scene. Depending on his maturity level there's willy and John Thomas and Johnson and...well, here...try this Urban dictionary link. (there are synonyms below the definition)

Her mounds of love looked great that shirt <3
Will it help to know I laughed out loud at the nail salon when I read this? :greenie
 
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I wish I could help here... my WIP demands harder vocabulary. But I'll throw this out...

My girl has a little brown mole next to her cooch... she calls it the "chocolate chip" on her "cookie"...

Of course, I'm the crude one, who refers to his gear as "Big Ed and the twins"... LOL
 

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I've always kind of thought cock was ruder than dick. But I use them both (so to speak).
I don't really have women in my sex scenes so I've never had to worry about what to call their bits and pieces. But I would prefer to read 'breasts', I think. I don't find that word clinical or anything. It's one of those words that sort of disappears, if people use a word like tits or mounds (or dirty pillows, Stephen King) I'd notice it and it might bring me out of the story.
 
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If it's solo, I think it's more likely he would use locker-room type vocabulary. "Dick" would be natural. Also corny nicknames, like Willy, or <character's name> Junior. Alone he won't care if anyone thinks these are ridiculous. Even better if these are the subject of a sentence with an active verb, like it has a will of its own. Hard-on is also likely.

Also, I think after any initial practical setup, it's going to cease being a solo scene, and become a duet in his imagination. In which case you can say, "He entered her," and it's pragmatically assumed that "he" and "her" are synecdoche.

I default to breasts. I think it's neither clinical nor course. I use other words if I want a specific attitude: tits for more crudeness, pillowy mounds for flowery, mammaries for clinical. "Cleavage" is also a good euphemism without being flowery, though I think of it as only being appropriate if they're partially covered, as by a bra or low-cut outfit.

"Butt" is the most neutral for that part of the anatomy.

Just avoid naming the female genitalia. I prefer "pussy" in almost all situations, but some people find it too course. Vagina is too clinical, and "sex" is too Victorian.

"Have sex" is the most neutral for the act. "Make love" may be more appropriate depending on the relationship. It's commonplace enough to not be seen as as flowery as it actually is. "Fuck" is too course, of course.

And when they're done, I like "come". Not "cum": that's porno. Orgasm or climax is also fine. Ejaculate is too clinical, and jizz is too course.
 
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Well, this thread throws me, kinda illustrating as it does that even amongst erotica writers there is discomfort when it comes to calling a spade a spade, as opposed to that finely-honed instrument which, when fully rigid, could pierce her love-lips like a hot knife through moist butter. By all means, have your character talk about 'cock' or 'cunt', if that's what they do, but it more often than not sounds naff when it's in omniscient narration.
 

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I think cock is more crude than dick. A dick is just what it is. Cock is sort of... sexier.
 

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Of course, I'm the crude one, who refers to his gear as "Big Ed and the twins"... LOL

:D

Also, you said "cooch". Where is that on the crudeness scale? I forgot about the word, but it doesn't sound anywhere near the "cunt" level of vulgar, does it?
 

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"Her T-shirt bore a New York City subway map, the IRT terminuses being elevated stations." Of course, you'd have to know which lines are the IRT, and Chrome's spellcheck seems to think the proper word is "termini." As in "that girl has some really elevated termini". ;)

Anyway, I have a similar problem with a WIP, where I want some of my sex scenes to be more detailed than "they had sex" but also to range from "somewhat sexy, but a bit uncomfortable at the same time" to "kinda gross and creepy" (with the added wrinkle that at one point the characters are enacting a fantasy of mine but aren't having a lot of fun doing it)

"Cock" is the only term for the penis that I can see as sexy; I, personally, wouldn't use "dick" or "tool" or "rod" (or "penis") in that context either as author or lover. Similarly "pussy" as opposed to other words (I don't think I've ever used "twat" in any context or hat, for example; indeed, this might be the first time I've ever typed it in *mumble* years of having sex, close to 20 years of being on the internet, and a quarter century plus of writing).
 

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It's called "how you get jewelry." Hahaha. I can't believe how funny I am, and I haven't even had any wine yet. :p
 

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Maze, I wish you hadn't deleted your post. There's some people here who are qualified to offer guidance on terms to use for various T&A tidbits.

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In the US, I'd say

Cunt is probably considered the crudest word for a woman's parts, twat is considered pretty crude too, pussy is milder but still kind of crude (maybe because it gets used a lot in pornography), beaver sounds like something immature guys use, pink taco, bearded clam etc. are humorous and a bit derogatory, vagina technical (and literally only mean the canal itself, though many use it for all female parts), vulva and pudendum, very technical terms for outer parts most people don't know/use, and ladyparts is sometimes used in a milder, more humerous way. "Down there," is sometimes used by people who aren't comfortable talking about it.

Dewy pink petals of passion: please don't use this.

For guys.

Cock is probably the crudest, prick milder, dick is less so, manhood is a bit like "ladyparts," though it's been around in popular use longer. Penis is technical. Sometimes people will simply refer to a man's penis as "him" when they're being very oblique. She could feel how hard he was, or his hardness pressed against her thigh. There are a number of more "silly" words for penis. Tallywacker, Peter, Pizzle, one-eyed jacuzzi trout and so on.


So a really native, shy gal who isn't really experienced might think, "she was all tingly down there," or "She closed her fingers around him." Or maybe manhood and ladyparts if she's being more specific?

Cooch sounds sort of regional to me. Southern, maybe? Never ran across anyone who actually called it that out west, though it could be something a particular individual might.
 
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bearded clam

Dewy pink petals of passion

one-eyed jacuzzi trout

:roll:

There was some celebrity spat not long ago here and the guy said something like: "Yea, she and her cracked hedgehog."

Thanks everyone for your replies :D Much appreciated.
 
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I have used erection, and entrance, when I'm trying to go for a softer, tender feeling, as I often do. In those passages, I don't name the parts exactly, just what they are doing. If that helps.
Oh, and "passage", is another word that can be used for the girl part. Oh, and "girl part" should probably not be used for the "girl part", on account of sounding stupid.
 

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I have mildly-explicit sex scene/s in the novel, and while I don't always name the parts, I've come to a point where I need to. And I'm not sure which words are best suited for it, because the ones I know are probably the least subtle *ekhm*.

I was surprised at how commonly-used 'cock' was, both among the under-40 crowd and in non-erotic literature. My generation either used the stodgy 'penis' or any number of silly euphemisms. But now I use it in my writing without two thoughts.

As for the female equivalent, I find writers, and maybe readers, too, about evenly split on 'cunt'. I hate the word, and only use it in distasteful contexts. Others hate 'pussy' with the same virulence, but I like it, so I just go ahead and use the latter and let people choose to read it or not.

If short on ideas for synonyms, there's always urbandictionary.com