Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

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It's finally going to happen. Anybody interested? I'd lost most of my enthusiasm for boxing until Manny got me interested again. Besides being a great fighter-I love his busy, mobile style from all angles-his personality is attractive in the ring. To me, he looks like there's nowhere he'd rather be. I often snub these pay-per-view things, after being disappointed too many times, but I'll buy this one.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12355361/floyd-mayweather-announces-fight-manny-pacquiao-set-2

Mike Tyson likes Pac:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-fight-prediction

How they did with the same opponents:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...ayweather-have-fared-against-common-opponents

Some boyhood Pac footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AX_qVZclZE

Pac and Mayweather vs. Mosley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkN-7oiQnVQ

Pac and Mayweather vs. Cotto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr42qyuSi1g

Pac's record: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=6129&cat=boxer

Floyd's: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=352

Some experts ring in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcIvlRBATkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGAoMtOsGyk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gSrNN7oxPM

Any predictions? I think as long as Manny's able to move and connect, he wins. If he's all over the ring, as he is at his best, I think he hands Floyd his first loss by way of a TKO in the late rounds.
 

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Manny's 36 and Floyd's 38. Manny's style is a demanding one.
 

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Both 36.

Where are all the young fighters?

I also lost interest in boxing a few years ago. This kind of thing was one of the reasons why.
 

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Yeah, but 36 doesn't mean what it used to. These guys will show up in shape. There still both great fighters and this will be a great fight.
 

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I'm interested, but not $100 interested. The fight will make an obscene amount of money and I seriously doubt it will live up to expectations. I suspect it will turn in to a snooze-fest (I really hope I'm wrong).

It's a shame it's taken this long to make it happen. Should have been years ago.
 

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Well, I'd be surprised, but I guess it could happen. Probably best to skip it, but I'm a slow learner.
 

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I'm not that interested.

I am sure they'll both be in great shape, but let's face it, they're both on the downside of their careers. They certainly have enough left to take on and beat most any ordinary, if younger fighter. It's not like they're washed up.

But a fight between the two of them, both in their prime, would have been something to behold.

Right now I think the only thing that will really be established is which one of them has aged the better.
 

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I've just been watching these fights. Both from about a year ago. The thing is, on paper this looks like a great fight. It should have happened five years ago and every year since, but t's still a great match-up. You have a busy offensive fighter and an elusive defensive fighter. You only have two guys, so if one doesn't show up or it's just a bad matchup then you have a bad fight. That's one of the frustrating things about it. That and all the other BS. Will they both show up? Who knows? I would think so. And if they do you're gonna see a good fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CPs8wJPelk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_gOL2xgCM
 

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I'm going with Manny. Interesting that Mike Tyson feels the same. I'm reminded of a quote from Tyson, uttered before one of his fights back when he was in his prime. I don't recall who the opponent was, but when he was interviewed pre-fight he made a big deal of having a "plan" for fighting Tyson. When Tyson was told about that comment, he said (paraphrased a bit, because I don't have the exact wording): "A plan is okay, until you get hit in the face."

Tyson knocked him out, early.

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Tyson was fun to watch, in and out of the ring. The thing about Floyd is he's such a smart boxer. He has that thing Ali had, he can almost make himself (invisible) in the ring. Just a sixth sense that allows him to feel his guy's next movement, his indication of a movement. It will be interesting to see if Floyd can respond to the kind of non-stop from all different angles Manny's capable of. Manny's style is physically demanding. If age is going to be a factor in this fight, Manny is probably more likely to show it. I'm a little worried about it actually.

I'll almost always watch Pacquiao fight. The times he doesn't show up not only in good shape, but make a Herculean effort are rare.
 
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Being a boxer myself, this is certainly something I want to see. (Be going to a friend's house to watch it, I usually watch free online streams though). I see Mayweather winning a unanimous decision. Pac is susceptible to right hand lead, especially coming in. I see the early rounds being competitive, with Mayweather getting Pac's timing down as it goes on, and then dominating; that is, a typical Mayweather fight. Angles and such are one thing, but the moment before that angle, Pac leaves himself open. Additionally, Mayweather has the size advantage, which is a big advantage for him.
 

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Floyd's got the hand speed to do it, too. Plus he's got the reach advantage. I think I know that moment you're talking about. It's hard for me to imagine Manny winning on points, so he'll have to try to get to Floyd, right? Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I guess a lot of people are--it's been a long time comin'.

I haven't seen as much of Floyd as I have Manny, but from what I've seen, he's incredibly hard to hit. Even when you've got him cornered. It's great to get a boxer's take on this. Pop in after the fight if you would. By the way, the boxer in your avatar is my all time favorite. Thanks.
 

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Floyd's got the hand speed to do it, too. Plus he's got the reach advantage. I think I know that moment you're talking about. It's hard for me to imagine Manny winning on points, so he'll have to try to get to Floyd, right? Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I guess a lot of people are--it's been a long time comin'.

I haven't seen as much of Floyd as I have Manny, but from what I've seen, he's incredibly hard to hit. Even when you've got him cornered. It's great to get a boxer's take on this. Pop in after the fight if you would. By the way, the boxer in your avatar is my all time favorite. Thanks.

Yeah, I think Manny will have to use his power and endurance to get May. The thing is, even if a boxer has good or even great endurance, punch output goes down if they get countered, as they have to pick their shots.

Yes, Mayweather is incredible form a technical standpoint. He does everything the way it is meant to be done, no bad habits. What is particularly amazing to me is his economy of movement and lack of 'rhythm'- that is, he doesn't give cues to what he will throw, nor does he have a 'beat' to his movements, making it difficult to respond to his movements. But that economy of movement, even lack of waste steps, lets him fight many rounds without tiring too much. Sure, I'll be here post-fight. My trainer (60 years old, still spars with us young guys, fought some famous guys, haha) thinks Mayweather will win, possibly even KO Manny if he's 'reckless'. I can't believe that, but he is right a lot of the time, huh. And Ali was just crazy, that kind of defense was unbelievable.
 

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Yeah, I think Manny will have to use his power and endurance to get May. The thing is, even if a boxer has good or even great endurance, punch output goes down if they get countered, as they have to pick their shots.

Yes, Mayweather is incredible form a technical standpoint. He does everything the way it is meant to be done, no bad habits. What is particularly amazing to me is his economy of movement and lack of 'rhythm'- that is, he doesn't give cues to what he will throw, nor does he have a 'beat' to his movements, making it difficult to respond to his movements. But that economy of movement, even lack of waste steps, lets him fight many rounds without tiring too much. Sure, I'll be here post-fight. My trainer (60 years old, still spars with us young guys, fought some famous guys, haha) thinks Mayweather will win, possibly even KO Manny if he's 'reckless'. I can't believe that, but he is right a lot of the time, huh. And Ali was just crazy, that kind of defense was unbelievable.

You know, it's also occurred to me that Floyd could knock him out. After all, Manny will be coming at him, and as you say, that's when he could get caught with a big shot.

I expect a disputed decision for Floyd, in an ugly fight with lots of interference from ref Kenny Bayless.

--Ken

Hard not to see this as a strong possibility. I just hope that if it does go to the cards, we're not all left with a bad taste in our mouths, as in after the first Pac/Bradley fight. Hardly a rare occurrence in the boxing world.

'Course, the actual contract for the fight still hasn't been signed...

Bite your tongue.
 

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Manny can knock Floyd out. And Floyd can knock Manny out.

The problem is, Floyd has no reason to engage. If he fights defensive the whole time and Manny can't get any really big shots, Floyd wins. A boring fight--which is likely a decision for Floyd--means Floyd stays at the top, still undefeated. I'm sure in his mind he doesn't have to prove jack. If he ekes out a boring decision, the line will be "Manny couldn't beat me, no one can beat me," and there's not much anyone can say in response.

Too bad Maidana didn't drop the sucker...
 

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That scenario, Rob, would be a boring fight. And we've all seen fights that play out just that way. The difference here, I hope, is that Manny will be able to find a way in and connect, and so Floyd will have to engage. I'll make a promise though, to you and to myself, that if you end up right on this I'll never buy another fight--Pac's or not.
 

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I think it will be a typical 'boring' Mayweather fight as well (I like technical boxing like that, so it isn't boring for me. But yeah) There are indications that Mayweather will be going for a KO perhaps through a counter, not aggressiveness. But that might just be in my head, due to lack of information. If you don't buy PPV's, Maize, there's always free streams :)