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William Haskins
10-23-2014, 05:36 AM
from the smithsonian:

The (Still) Mysterious Death Of Edgar Allan Poe


Poe's death—shrouded in mystery—seems ripped directly from the pages of one of his own works. He had spent years crafting a careful image of a man inspired by adventure and fascinated with enigmas—a poet, a detective, an author, a world traveler who fought in the Greek War of Independence and was held prisoner in Russia. But though his death certificate listed the cause of death as phrenitis, or swelling of the brain, the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death have led many to speculate about the true cause of Poe's demise. "Maybe it’s fitting that since he invented the detective story," says Chris Semtner, curator of the Poe Museum in Richmond, Virginia, "he left us with a real-life mystery."the article goes on to detail 9 theories (posted in poll)

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/still-mysterious-death-edgar-allan-poe-180952936/?no-ist

C.bronco
10-23-2014, 05:47 AM
Hi Hazkins. From what I understand, he was an alcoholic who was driven from one voting booth to another by corrupt supporters of politicians in a voting scam, and died of, most likely, alcoholism and exhaustion.

I don't know if that is factual, but it is what I was led to believe.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 05:51 AM
yes, that would be cooping, option 2 in the poll.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 05:56 AM
i picked rabies, flu and murder.

but only because that's how i want to go.

C.bronco
10-23-2014, 05:58 AM
I'd never heard that term before except when referring to the management of chickens. Too bad so sad! But now I know.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 05:59 AM
and it's an election year!

C.bronco
10-23-2014, 06:02 AM
I will avoid drinking in public.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 06:02 AM
2. Cooping
Others believe that Poe fell victim to a practice known as cooping (http://www.eapoe.org/geninfo/poedeath.htm), a method of voter fraud practiced by gangs in the 19th century where an unsuspecting victim would be kidnapped, disguised and forced to vote for a specific candidate multiple times under multiple disguised identities. Voter fraud was extremely common in Baltimore around the mid 1800s, and the polling site where Walker found the disheveled Poe was a known place that coopers brought their victims. The fact that Poe was found delirious on election day, then, is no coincidence.

Over the years, the cooping theory has come to be one of the more widely accepted explanations for Poe's strange demeanor before his death. Before Prohibition, voters were given alcohol after voting (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/11/booze-on-election-day-was-an-american-tradition/) as a sort of reward; had Poe been forced to vote multiple times in a cooping scheme, that might explain his semi-conscious, ragged state.

Around the late 1870s, Poe's biographer J.H. Ingram received several letters that blamed Poe's death on a cooping scheme. A letter from William Hand Browne, a member of the faculty at Johns Hopkins, explains that "the general belief here is, that Poe was seized by one of these gangs, (his death happening just at election-time; an election for sheriff took place on Oct. 4th), 'cooped,' stupefied with liquor, dragged out and voted, and then turned adrift to die."

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C.bronco
10-23-2014, 06:07 AM
That was my understanding, and it seems plausible from what I know of him.

Shadow_Ferret
10-23-2014, 06:10 AM
Hi Hazkins. From what I understand, he was an alcoholic who was driven from one voting booth to another by corrupt supporters of politicians in a voting scam, and died of, most likely, alcoholism and exhaustion.

I don't know if that is factual, but it is what I was led to believe.
Much of the maligning of Poe as an alcoholic or drug abuser were all put forth by his nemesis, Rufus Wilmot Griswold, who wrote a blistering obituary and later an even more damning biography on Poe, just because he wanted to tarnish Poe's image.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 06:18 AM
proof yet again that poets are scum.

fanny broke his fool heart.

C.bronco
10-23-2014, 06:22 AM
What was the relationship between the two? This is new to me. I've been a fan of Poe since I was 4 and my Dad read The Raven as a bedtime story. (We had just finished Th Jungle Book. Mom wasn't pleased, but my brother and I loved it.)

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 06:24 AM
http://www.eapoe.org/geninfo/poegrisw.htm

Haggis
10-23-2014, 06:44 AM
i picked rabies, flu and murder.

but only because that's how i want to go.
Who wouldn't?

Much of the maligning of Poe as an alcoholic or drug abuser were all put forth by his nemesis, Rufus Wilmot Griswold, who wrote a blistering obituary and later an even more damning biography on Poe, just because he wanted to tarnish Poe's image.
What the ferret said.

Not that he didn't imbibe. *

But my money's on cooping. Drugged and dragged from voting place to voting place and left for dead.

Once I visited the hospital where he died. Sadly, he didn't appear to provide his version. But I'm not much good at talking with dead people.

* eta: Poe, not the ferret.

poetinahat
10-23-2014, 06:48 AM
Tom Stoppard needs to write a play about it. Then we'll all know.

William Haskins
10-23-2014, 06:48 AM
But I'm not much good at talking with dead people.

you just have to relax and treat them like former human beings.

Haggis
10-23-2014, 06:50 AM
you just have to relax and treat them like former human beings.
You mean the same way I deal with Congressmen?

Stew21
10-23-2014, 07:10 AM
On battlefields, the birds nipped out the eyes first.

In gutters, i think ravens are the bird of choice, (and assuming eyes are still the delicacy).

Not so worried about how he died.
Very curious if the sockets were empty.

"Nevermore"

BenPanced
10-23-2014, 07:17 AM
Orlando Bloom with an eggplant in the kitchen.

Stew21
10-23-2014, 07:22 AM
Orlando Bloom with an empty eye socket the size of an eggplant

shakeysix
10-23-2014, 07:22 AM
Rabies. --s6

benbradley
10-23-2014, 07:23 AM
Poe now has the disease of alcoholwasm.

Rhoda Nightingale
10-23-2014, 06:19 PM
The movie I watched last night would have me believe it was murder via poisoning by a deranged super-fan, but I think more likely it was alcoholism and complications thereof.

Jamesaritchie
10-23-2014, 09:34 PM
I have no doubt at all that alcohol killed him. You don't have to be a drunk all day, every day alcoholic to die from alcohol. Some people are extremely susceptible to its effects, even with fairly small and somewhat infrequent drinking.

With the time and place, he could have had any number of underlying conditions, but everything points to alcohol as the primary cause.

William Haskins
10-24-2014, 04:47 AM
I have no doubt at all that alcohol killed him. You don't have to be a drunk all day, every day alcoholic to die from alcohol. Some people are extremely susceptible to its effects, even with fairly small and somewhat infrequent drinking.

With the time and place, he could have had any number of underlying conditions, but everything points to alcohol as the primary cause.

this sounds exactly like the type of misdirection that the real killer would attempt.

C.bronco
10-24-2014, 05:26 AM
Cooping, As it is termed, sounds correct. The intent was to use the person, and if he had an inclination toward adfiction, he would have been an easy victim.

and my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
shall be lifted nevermore.

Haggis
10-24-2014, 05:30 AM
You don't have to be a drunk all day, every day alcoholic to die from alcohol.
So my odds aren't as bad as I thought. Excellent.

William Haskins
10-24-2014, 05:33 AM
and if he had an inclination toward adfiction, he would have been an easy victim.

wouldn't be the first writer to self-destruct writing marketing tales.

C.bronco
10-24-2014, 05:33 AM
And the Raven never flitting still is sitting, still is sittingon the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door

poetinahat
10-24-2014, 05:38 AM
wouldn't be the first writer to self-destruct writing marketing tales.
"A tale told by an ad man, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Not available in some states, conditions may apply."

C.bronco
10-24-2014, 05:41 AM
Poe was the first poet I read.

William Haskins
10-24-2014, 05:41 AM
you can't spell poet without him.

C.bronco
10-24-2014, 05:47 AM
Prophet said I, thing of evil, prophet still if bird or devil....I memorized the poem in 8th grade when we had to recite a poem of 16 lines or more. I did the whole thing and still remember most of The Raven, but have read most of his works. I loved The Cask of Amontillado and other works.
Numo me impune.


My 8th grade teacher, btw, who was annoyed with me because I was goofy, suddenly loved me and gave me my first A of the year in her class.

Magdalen
10-26-2014, 06:46 AM
Other: OD from A Broken Heart + Alcohol Poisoning

from wiki

Sarah Helen Whitman
(note - same birthday as Poe)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Helen_Whitman

The two exchanged letters and poetry for some time before discussing engagement. After Poe lectured in Providence in December 1848, reciting a poem by Edward Coote Pinkney directly to Whitman, she agreed to an "immediate marriage".[11] Poe agreed to remain sober during their engagement — a vow he violated within only a few days. Whitman's mother discovered that Poe was also pursuing Annie Richmond and childhood sweetheart Sarah Elmira Royster. Even so, the wedding had come so close to occurring that, in January 1849, a newspaper in New London, Connecticut and others announced their union and wished them well.[12] At one point, they chose the wedding date of December 25, 1848,[13] despite criticism of the relationship from friends and enemies alike. Whitman supposedly received an anonymous letter while she was at the library suggesting that Poe had broken his vow to her to stay sober, directly leading to an end of the relationship. Poe said in a letter to Whitman (addressed "Dear Madam") that he blamed her mother for their split.[9] Rufus Wilmot Griswold, Poe's infamous first biographer, claimed that Poe purposefully ended his relationship with Whitman the day before their wedding by committing unnamed drunken "outrages"[14] that, as he wrote in his biography, "made necessary a summons of the police".[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Helen_Whitman

I think the "cooping" theory is a red herring.