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DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 04:06 AM
I saw this today in class and thought it was hilarious. According to Freud, all men have 'castration anxiety'. That is, they fear losing their penis.

Is this as ridiculous as it sounds?

trumancoyote
03-16-2006, 04:07 AM
Not if you had a penis.

DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 04:08 AM
But do men actually fear losing it? I mean, that sounds a little far-fetched, doesn't it?

ChaosTitan
03-16-2006, 04:11 AM
You should have done this one as a poll, Dama. ;)

DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 04:14 AM
Done :D

poetinahat
03-16-2006, 04:28 AM
Have a listen to King Missile's "Detachable Penis" for an insight on the topic.

Sam Kinison did a funny bit on the same vein -- why it's so good that theeeeese are connected!

aadams73
03-16-2006, 04:29 AM
I have a penis, but my husband takes it to work with him every day.

Wait, what was the question again? :D

ChaosTitan
03-16-2006, 04:43 AM
:ROFL:

ChunkyC
03-16-2006, 04:46 AM
Considering how often I stuck mine in places I shouldn't have, I'd have to say I don't fear losing it.

Now, a fear of getting KICKED there is just healthy.

poetinahat
03-16-2006, 04:53 AM
Is this as ridiculous as it sounds?
Yes.

Do women fear losing their vaginas?

Without knowing much of Freud other than popular cliche, it always seemed that he implied that vagina = absence of penis. Seemed ridiculous.

ChaosTitan
03-16-2006, 04:58 AM
Do women fear losing their vaginas?


I can't say I ever have (feared it or lost it).

Of course, we don't wear ours on the outside. ;)

maya
03-16-2006, 05:24 AM
Do women fear losing their vaginas?


Nope, but as others have mentioned, it's safely tucked away. I do fret about losing my handbag. Does that count?

Shwebb
03-16-2006, 06:01 AM
Yeah, it really is interesting that Freud said men have castration anxiety, and women have penis envy.

Although I think penises are like gadgets and that's why men, in general, seem to like gadgets more than women do.

But I have never been afraid of having my vagina (or any of my privates) cut off, nor have I ever been envious of men for having penises. The only thing that I ever wished I could do was take off my shirt in the summer the way that men get to.

DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 06:13 AM
But I have never been afraid of having my vagina (or any of my privates) cut off, nor have I ever been envious of men for having penises. The only thing that I ever wished I could do was take off my shirt in the summer the way that men get to.

Me too!!

PrettySpecialGal
03-16-2006, 06:24 AM
Yes!!! I check every 5 minutes to make sure it's still there!!

But mine's like aadams73's- hubby takes it to work every day. Other than that, I'm checking it....

Perks
03-16-2006, 06:28 AM
That seems like a fairly silly fear, but then again I only just found out recently that a guy can sit on his unrestrained package (you know, boxer shorts and whatnot) if he's not careful. I'm mean. I found this very, very funny.

DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 07:07 AM
That seems like a fairly silly fear, but then again I only just found out recently that a guy can sit on his unrestrained package (you know, boxer shorts and whatnot) if he's not careful. I'm mean. I found this very, very funny.

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/EmoteROFL.gif I haven't stopped laughing in like half an hour!!!!!

reph
03-16-2006, 07:12 AM
I only just found out recently that a guy can sit on his unrestrained package (you know, boxer shorts and whatnot) if he's not careful.
Could you send me that guy's name?

maestrowork
03-16-2006, 07:23 AM
What an interesting question! It never even crossed my mind. It's like asking myself, "Would I ever lose my head?"

Optimus
03-16-2006, 07:27 AM
I saw this today in class and thought it was hilarious. According to Freud, all men have 'castration anxiety'. That is, they fear losing their penis.

Is this as ridiculous as it sounds?

Yes, it's ridiculous. But you also have to understand the context of why Freud said that.

"Castration anxiety" stems from the Oedipus Complex, which is Freud's theory that all boys eventually fall in love with their mothers (yes, in a sexual way). From this attraction (supposedly), the boy begins to fear that if his secret is ever revealed, that his father will retaliate by cutting off his penis.

It doesn't mean that a man, in general, walks around with some general fear that he'll somehow lose their penis.

When the theory is compared with Freud's actual life, it's easy to see why he came up with such a laughable theory. Seems he had the hots for his own mom and step mother (his step mother was considerably younger than his father), and didn't really like his dad. Freud also admitted to having a slew of his own psychosomatic disorders and neuroses. So, he for some reason took his own problems and assumed that every guy had them.

Freud was a weird dude.

brokenfingers
03-16-2006, 07:27 AM
That seems like a fairly silly fear, but then again I only just found out recently that a guy can sit on his unrestrained package (you know, boxer shorts and whatnot) if he's not careful. I'm mean. I found this very, very funny.I'm afraid I fail to see the humor in that. It's one of the reasons I don't like regular boxers.

Anyways, I thought Freud and his theories were pretty much debunked. I can see, however, guys having a fear of being unable to one day perform sexually or achieve an erection. It's one of those mental things and why there are so many Viagra commercials etc.

Each sex has its own baggage it carries. With women it might be breasts, nails or whatever. Many men deem the ability to achieve an erection and/or perform sexually as a very important part of their identity.

Just one of those things I guess. So yes, I think the fear of losing your penis is ridiculous - but as you can see, it is not too far off from the very real fear many have of losing their erection.

Of course, just my humble opinion as one of the coarser sex...

AdamH
03-16-2006, 08:15 AM
Never really thought about it. Then again, when I heard about the Bobbit fiasco back in the 90's, I was making sure that all parties where accounted for on a daily basis...then twice daily basis...then hourly....then every few minutes...I'm sorry, I've got a problem...:e2paperba

Optimus
03-16-2006, 08:17 AM
Kinda makes your title, "Don't cut that support beam!" all the more appropo, eh?

Anya Smith
03-16-2006, 08:37 AM
Nothing to castrate.

WerenCole
03-16-2006, 08:38 AM
Anyways, I thought Freud and his theories were pretty much debunked.


This was exactly my thought when I read the original post. I hope your teacher gave that disclaimer when s/he brought this theory to light. . . the only reason to study Freud now is to understand the evolution of physchological theory. . . which basically goes like this: Along came Freud with a bunch of quacked out far fetched ideas followed by a century of actual scientists proving that he was full of crap.

That is not to say that he was also quite a hypocrit. . . lots of his theories were counter to what he experienced in his own, bizarre and patholological life.

In response to the original question. . . no, I do not check on it and have no fear of losing it. I have more fear of losing my wits and ability to write. . . which you could say is my hubris stemming from my loins, but I think it is more of a brain and heart shakra type of thing to be a writer. . . unless you are someone like Larry Flint or Fabio that is.

Optimus
03-16-2006, 08:44 AM
This was exactly my thought when I read the original post. I hope your teacher gave that disclaimer when s/he brought this theory to light. . . the only reason to study Freud now is to understand the evolution of physchological theory. . . which basically goes like this: Along came Freud with a bunch of quacked out far fetched ideas followed by a century of actual scientists proving that he was full of crap.

Actually, many of his theories have undergone decades of empirical scrutiny and have been given significant confirmatory empirical validity.

Yes, some of his theories were bullcrap quackery, but many of his other theories have stood the test of time; several not even fully appreciated until years later when they were finally substantiated through clinical research.

Overall, his theories have done more good than harm (and, I am by no means a disciple of psychodynamic theory).

WerenCole
03-16-2006, 08:51 AM
How'd I know you were going to jump on me for that?

Optimus
03-16-2006, 08:53 AM
Because you are in love with Jenna.

Jenna is a mother-figure to you, therefore knowing that Jenna is my love, you feared that I would come in and figuratively cut your internet balls off.

Or something.


(...and also 'cause you were kinda wrong. :) )

reph
03-16-2006, 09:13 AM
Some men who molest small boys gain control by threatening to cut off the victim's penis if he doesn't cooperate or if he tells. I know of two families in which incestuous fathers made this threat. I believe that Freud's theory shows signs of his having been molested when very young and being unaware of it when grown.

fallenangelwriter
03-16-2006, 09:18 AM
The thing with Freud's theories is that they work better generally than in specific.


many of his specific conclusions and ideas were truly bizarre-- his notion of the stages and fixations, for instance.

however, his big ideas: namely, that childhood events affect people's adult development and the existance of an unconscious, still hold up fairly well.

reph
03-16-2006, 09:56 AM
many of his specific conclusions and ideas were truly bizarre-- his notion of the stages and fixations, for instance.
Actually, I think he was onto something with that. Some people who had a rough infancy because of illness or bad parenting, for example, have personalities that remind me of babies.

Optimus
03-16-2006, 10:12 AM
His stage theory was actually rather insightful. Granted, I don't agree with the stages he proposed, but the fact that he was one of the first to suggest stages of development (with Piaget, Erickson, and G. Stanley Hall), is pretty significant.

Also, his fixations have some merit, it's just that people who don't study him well don't actually understand them. Many of them were quasi-metaphorical, rather than meant to always be taken literally.

I'm just...you know...just sayin'.

aruna
03-16-2006, 10:25 AM
however, his big ideas: namely, that childhood events affect people's adult development .

And yet, what's so amazing about that? I'm sure that simple observance combiones tiwh intelligence would tell anybody that.


and the existance of an unconscious, still hold up fairly well

Freud was not the first person to talk about the unconscious mind. Read some of the oldest Sanscrit texts, dating back centuries before Freud: it's all about the unconscious mind and the power it has over the conscious. The very language contains is full of words to convey this: such as "vasanas", which means "latent tendencies" - things we have buried in our subconscious, which can come up and interfere with our behaviour and thoughts.

DamaNegra
03-16-2006, 04:31 PM
This was exactly my thought when I read the original post. I hope your teacher gave that disclaimer when s/he brought this theory to light

So much for spending the family fortune in good education, huh?

Anyway, I've been doing some research on my own (since now I can't even trust my teachers in what they say). True, some of Freud's theories are downright ridiculous and have been proved to be useless. But I think that, here, we have to analyze more than just his theories, but the why he made those theories and what he was trying to convey through them. Or something like that, I just woke up.

oswann
03-16-2006, 04:32 PM
I don't think it takes a genius to say "How would you feel if I cut off your penis? Anxious? Hmmmm I thought so."



Os.

NeuroFizz
03-16-2006, 05:29 PM
I'm a little confused here. Castration is removal of the testicles, not the penis. Certainly Freud would have known that. Removal of the those dual jewels takes away the primary source of androgens, including testosterone, and therefore emasculates a man. Taking away the penis would just remove the tool of dispersal, not the desire or the ability to reproduce.


Plumber to homeowners: "I can put all the plumbing behind the walls, make it real pretty, or I can leave the pipes exposed. Ugly as hell. But if you have to have them fixed, which is more convenient?"

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 06:08 PM
I have a ton of fears! Stop dredging them up for public display please!

*runs and hides while holding himself*

Perks
03-16-2006, 06:26 PM
Plumber to homeowners: "I can put all the plumbing behind the walls, make it real pretty, or I can leave the pipes exposed. Ugly as hell. But if you have to have them fixed, which is more convenient?"
I agree. When the time comes, it's the man who should get fixed.

Annabella
03-16-2006, 06:33 PM
Plumber to homeowners: "I can put all the plumbing behind the walls, make it real pretty, or I can leave the pipes exposed. Ugly as hell. But if you have to have them fixed, which is more convenient?"


I agree. When the time comes, it's the man who should get fixed.
:ROFL:

NeuroFizz
03-16-2006, 06:42 PM
I agree. When the time comes, it's the man who should get fixed.
Absolutely no agrument here. And, if there is reason to "undo" it later, there are clear medical means, even if a reversal doesn't take (I have two young children to prove it).

Haggis
03-16-2006, 06:48 PM
I agree. When the time comes, it's the man who should get fixed.

Fixed? I think you mean broken.

biotales
03-16-2006, 06:48 PM
Women sit better than men... you see women sit on a delicate fur... and men.. well they just sit on a sack of nuts.......
:D

Perks
03-16-2006, 07:08 PM
Fixed? I think you mean broken.

True. Why do they call it fixed? I guess it's fixed so that you can have the fun without the consequnce. (Or at least that consequence. No wish to get everyone started down that road.)

NeuroFizz
03-16-2006, 07:22 PM
I have no clever retort for the male "fixing," but if it is the female who opts for tubal ligation, the expression is, take out the crib and leave the playpen.

Haggis
03-16-2006, 07:26 PM
I have no clever retort for the male "fixing,"

"Vasectomy:all the juice, but no seeds" http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 07:29 PM
I agree. When the time comes, it's the man who should get fixed.

Why?

Perks
03-16-2006, 07:37 PM
I have no clever retort for the male "fixing," but if it is the female who opts for tubal ligation, the expression is, take out the crib and leave the playpen.

Lol! That's a good one.

Perks
03-16-2006, 07:50 PM
Why?

Fine. I'll play. I was pregnant, with myriad aches, pains, discomforts, risks and worries for a total of twenty-two months. I had a miscarriage, which resulted in three days of cramping, bleeding and a massive hormonal migraine. I had two deliveries of healthy, eight-plus pound babies, both of which ripped me from here to yonder. Weeks of recuperating, both times. I nursed babies for three years total. There is hissing, gasping and bleeding with chunks of flesh being extracted to get that right - both times.

I spent ten years taking a daily pill to prevent pregnancies so that we could have recreational sex. These pills are not without their own risks and side effects.

I'm all done. I've shouldered my share of reproductive responsibilty. Three days of mild testicular discomfort does not impress me, outside the fact that I'd lovingly play nursemaid and coddle through my man's recovery in gratitude for his understanding and caring. The post-operative benefits are obvious.

Shadow Ferret, I know you love to argue. Bring it on if you think you can do it without coming off like a creep. ;) I'd love to hear a stronger argument against it than, "I don't like the thought of a scalpel near my balls."

Stew21
03-16-2006, 08:06 PM
Fine. I'll play. I was pregnant, with myriad aches, pains, discomforts, risks and worries for a total of twenty-two months. I had a miscarriage, which resulted in three days of cramping, bleeding and a massive hormonal migraine. I had two deliveries of healthy, eight-plus pound babies, both of which ripped me from here to yonder. Weeks of recuperating, both times. I nursed babies for three years total. There is hissing, gasping and bleeding with chunks of flesh being extracted to get that right - both times.

I spent ten years taking a daily pill to prevent pregnancies so that we could have recreational sex. These pills are not without their own risks and side effects.

I'm all done. I've shouldered my share of reproductive responsibilty. Three days of mild testicular discomfort does not impress me, outside the fact that I'd lovingly play nursemaid and coddle through my man's recovery in gratitude for his understanding and caring. The post-operative benefits are obvious.

Shadow Ferret, I know you love to argue. Bring it on if you think you can do it without coming off like a creep. ;) I'd love to hear a stronger argument against it than, "I don't like the thought of a scalpel near my balls."


YES YES YES YES YES!

Pregnant for a total of 80 weeks + 2 births = husband gets snipped.
guaranteed it is not going to be WORSE than the episiotomy and following stitches...guaranteed!

aruna
03-16-2006, 08:08 PM
. Three days of mild testicular discomfort does not impress me,

...and the Ferret slinks away in shame.....

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 08:08 PM
First, I already had my vasectomy.

Second, I just wanted to know your reasoning. Your reasons are valid for your situation, but your statement made it sound like the man should get fixed in every situation.

I personally think that's up to each couple to decide.

And hey! Whatdaya mean I like to argue. I think I've been on my best behavior here.

Haven't I?

By the way, in my case, it was more than three days of "mild" discomfort. Mine started on the table when the bastard didn't give me enough anesthetic. The nurse looked at me during the procedure and I'm turning white, gripping the table, gritting my teeth, and doing my best not to cry. She goes, "You shouldn't be feeling that." No sh!t?

edit: Dang my bad luck and new pages! :rant:

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:15 PM
First, I already had my vasectomy.

Second, I just wanted to know your reasoning. Your reasons are valid for your situation, but your statement made it sound like the man should get fixed in every situation.

I personally think that's up to each couple to decide.

And hey! Whatdaya mean I like to argue. I think I've been on my best behavior here.

Haven't I?

By the way, in my case, it was more than three days of "mild" discomfort. Mine started on the table when the bastard didn't give me enough anesthetic. The nurse looked at me during the procedure and I'm turning white, gripping the table, gritting my teeth, and doing my best not to cry. She goes, "You shouldn't be feeling that." No sh!t?

edit: Dang my bad luck and new pages! :rant:

You seem to like to stir it up, but it's cool. Your experience sounds awful and I suppose I can relate in a way. I had my second child without so much as an aspirin and the two rips I sustained that time were three and five times longer respectively than a vasectomy incision. And that time was way better than what happened the first time. I'm not belittling your particular pain, it's just that I've heard these anecdotes used as legitimate reasons that it's unfair to ask it of a man. Yawn.

Haggis
03-16-2006, 08:16 PM
I'm all done. I've shouldered my share of reproductive responsibilty. Three days of mild testicular discomfort does not impress me, outside the fact that I'd lovingly play nursemaid and coddle through my man's recovery in gratitude for his understanding and caring. The post-operative benefits are obvious.


In my case, it was a tad more than 3 days, and a tad more than mild discomfort, although I was forced to chase three bats out of the house about an hour after my procedure (true story), so that might have had something to do with that. But vasectomy is a much less invasive operation than tubal ligation, and therefore less risky. It's also cheaper. It's safer than birth control pills. And Perks is right. The post-op benefits are obvious.

Fair is fair. Sometimes it's only right that the guy share the burdon.

*Geez. I'm starting to sound like a feminist* http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:19 PM
I was forced to chase three bats out of the house about an hour after my procedure (true story), so that might have had something to do with that.

Oh my god!! That's very unadvisable. Lol! Yes to all - avoid running anywhere for a good few days.

rhymegirl
03-16-2006, 08:20 PM
Fine. I'll play. I was pregnant, with myriad aches, pains, discomforts, risks and worries for a total of twenty-two months. I had a miscarriage, which resulted in three days of cramping, bleeding and a massive hormonal migraine. I had two deliveries of healthy, eight-plus pound babies, both of which ripped me from here to yonder. Weeks of recuperating, both times. I nursed babies for three years total. There is hissing, gasping and bleeding with chunks of flesh being extracted to get that right - both times.

I spent ten years taking a daily pill to prevent pregnancies so that we could have recreational sex. These pills are not without their own risks and side effects.

I'm all done. I've shouldered my share of reproductive responsibilty. Three days of mild testicular discomfort does not impress me, outside the fact that I'd lovingly play nursemaid and coddle through my man's recovery in gratitude for his understanding and caring. The post-operative benefits are obvious.

Shadow Ferret, I know you love to argue. Bring it on if you think you can do it without coming off like a creep. ;) I'd love to hear a stronger argument against it than, "I don't like the thought of a scalpel near my balls."

I hear you loud and clear. I had three babies, three miscarriages, and when it was time he refused to have that operation so I had to. His could have been a simple doctor's office visit; I had to go in the hospital. More torture. Was I resentful? Hell, yes.

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 08:31 PM
... the two rips I sustained that time were three and five times longer respectively than a vasectomy incision. And that time was way better than what happened the first time. I'm not belittling your particular pain, it's just that I've heard these anecdotes used as legitimate reasons that it's unfair to ask it of a man. Yawn.

Actually, the incision wasn't the part that hurt.

And I don't recall ever saying it was unfair to ask the man. I said it should be a mutual decision the couple makes.

I know a lot of "men" who opted out and the wife had to do it. In every case they are macho neandrathals who somehow equate their potency with their manhood. Something about not wanting to shoot blanks.

And to be honest, I think you're the one who likes to stir it up. :tongue

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:35 PM
And I don't recall ever saying it was unfair to ask the man. I said it should be a mutual decision the couple makes. I know! I wasn't accusing you. I've had this discussion a bunch of times with others.



And to be honest, I think you're the one who likes to stir it up. :tongue
Nah, I'm reactive, not proactive. It's a curse. I never get anything done.

maestrowork
03-16-2006, 08:39 PM
Not all men are irresponsible. After my parents decided to keep me (yup, I was nearly aborted and there might never have been a maestrowork... that's another story), my dad went and got the snip. It was the right thing to do.

Honestly, I am rather offended by all the misandry, subtle or not, around here. We are all human beings. Can we respect one another for a frigging change?

oswann
03-16-2006, 08:40 PM
I think it should be the vet who decides.





Os.

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 08:48 PM
I think it should be the vet who decides.





Os.

Hey!

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:49 PM
Not all men are irresponsible.

Please, please don't let me have come off like that! I know many men who've been wonderful and kind about this very thing and a few that are tremendous even when they're stubborn on this point.

I went on a tirade, 'cause I though Shadow Ferret was having a go at me.

NeuroFizz
03-16-2006, 08:53 PM
I went on a tirade, 'cause I though Shadow Ferret was having a go at me.
But, he's shooting blanks...

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:53 PM
But, he's shooting blanks...

You're a very bad man.

Not that kind of a 'go'. Goodness.

NeuroFizz
03-16-2006, 08:56 PM
You're a very bad man.

Not that kind of a 'go'. Goodness.
There are a whole slew of meanings, you just picked one...

Perks
03-16-2006, 08:59 PM
There are a whole slew of meanings, you just picked one...

And apparently you picked another. <mind in the gutter, mner schmnr frbr>

rhymegirl
03-16-2006, 09:49 PM
Honestly, I am rather offended by all the misandry, subtle or not, around here. We are all human beings. Can we respect one another for a frigging change?

I don't hate men despite what I posted. Who can say what a man's reason is for refusing to have that snip-snip. Maybe he figured if we ever broke up he could still go on to re-marry and have more children. He did tell me he wanted 20 kids when I met him. I thought 3 was quite enough. :)

Perks
03-16-2006, 09:52 PM
Yeah, and I addressed what may have been misconstrued as 'misandry' before you edited your post to include it.

Shadow_Ferret
03-16-2006, 09:57 PM
I went on a tirade, 'cause I though Shadow Ferret was having a go at me.

And, my dear Perks, I was merely responding to another of your wonderful blanket generalities. ;)

Perks
03-16-2006, 10:09 PM
And, my dear Perks, I was merely responding to another of your wonderful blanket generalities. ;)

You're a pain. Lol! And as I recall, you answered this question with a "nevermind." Wanna try again?


Or is it that anything that could be classified as a generalization has to be attacked regardless of its merit?

Shwebb
03-16-2006, 10:10 PM
I just had the baby factory shut down two weeks ago--yeah, Kathy, I agree--three is enough! Maybe if I were younger, I'd want to have more. But I'm also almost 38, and I have a few health problems, and I need to be able to take care of the children I have.

My husband sort of offered to have the surgery. But I was fine with having it done, since it's laparoscopic now. I hurt a good little bit the first day, but after that, it wasn't bad at all. My husband is a paramedic, and his job is pretty physical. I thought it made more sense for me to have something done.

What did upset me, though, was he wasn't originally planning to take any time off work--I was going to have the surgery, and the day after that, he was going back to work! I was floored. I said, "This is SURGERY. This isn't a snip-snip you have done on your lunch break. What were you THINKING!?!?" He said he was sorry, he apparently wasn't thinking. I could have handled it fine afterwards if I didn't have three small children to take care of. (He took two vacation days, and he was home a total of four days, which worked out great.)

poetinahat
03-17-2006, 03:04 AM
Taking away the penis would just remove the tool of dispersal, not the desire or the ability to reproduce.

The Sun Also Rises, eh?

I'm finding it quite difficult to type with crossed legs. If I didn't have anxiety before, I'm starting to develop it. You guys do great work!

arrowqueen
03-17-2006, 03:18 AM
'Vagina dentata' goes really well to the tune of 'Hakuna Matata.'

Just thought I'd mention it.

arrowqueen
03-17-2006, 03:19 AM
And scar you all for life.

:D