I have figured out why the world is screwed up.

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JennaGlatzer

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So, as some of you know, Anthony and I are trying to conceive. Recently, I joined a TTC site so I could ask questions about charting and testing and whatnot. There, I stumbled on a discussion about smoking while pregnant.

(Keep in mind that I quit smoking the instant we started TTC, and it's still hard for me-- but I'm not going to mess up!)

Anyway. The discussion evolved sort of like this. I'll make up names of the participants:

Helen- Boy, I don't understand why women smoke while they're pregnant.

Iris- Yeah! They should know better.

Sue- I smoked while I was pregnant and my kid is fine.

Helen- Are you planning to smoke while you're pregnant if you get pregnant again?

Sue- Sure. You can't live your life being afraid of every risk. Then it's no fun.

Colleen- I smoked while I was pregnant too. Don't judge me! I was on drugs and it was really hard to quit drugs and if I had to quit smoking, too, it would have put me over the edge.

Gilda- I don't think that's a great excuse. I was a partier, too, but when I found out I was pregnant, I quit everything. You can do it if you care enough.

Colleen- You suck! You're so judgmental!

Lula- Yeah, Colleen. These people are so mean! Why can't they just be supportive?

Me- Because it's wrong to poison your kid. If you want to make irresponsible choices for yourself, go for it, but it's not right to make an irresponsible choice for a baby who could suffer or even die for it.

Lula- I smoke because it helps me deal with the stress of seeing negative pregnancy tests all the time. It's hard for some people! Why can't you just mind your own business?

Me- Because I don't want to see a baby suffer because you don't want to feel stressed out.

Lula- I smoked while I was pregnant and my kid never gets sick, and my sister didn't smoke while she was pregnant and she has two kids with disabilities.

Me- Don't be dumb. Sure, you can find exceptions, but smoking while pregnant is putting your baby at risk. Our parents' generation may not have known that, but we do. I don't think you deserve to get pregnant if you plan to smoke while you're pregnant.

ALL THREE SMOKERS- You know what? Fu$k you, Jenna! You don't know me! I'll be the greatest mom ever and it's my choice and it's none of your business and I hope you're infertile for the rest of your life!

(I'm not kidding... those are really the things they said.)

GIANT CHORUS OF PEOPLE- Yeah! You're so mean, Jenna! Smoking is an addiction, you know. It's their choice and they're the ones who'll pay the medical bills if it's necessary, and you don't know how hard their lives are, so just leave them alone! I hope you get pregnant soon, smokers!

Me- OK. Got it. Just so you know, I plan on hitting my belly with a hammer once a day when I get pregnant. It relaxes me. Now wish me babydust!

GIANT CHORUS OF PEOPLE- We hope you die, Jenna!

Swear.

I had a couple of people backing up the things I was saying, but most of them were saying to leave these poor girls alone and let them smoke and get pregnant.

So I started thinking that the world is screwed up because we really do live in a giant community of selfish idiots who are being taught that whatever feels good is fine and nothing should be hard, and everything is "good enough," and you should always come first. Those people pass those values onto their children, who grow up to feel entitled and selfish. I'm living in a world where people will fight to defend their right to smoke while pregnant, and other people will jump in to tell me not to judge them!

Thing is, we're not supposed to keep our mouths shut if we see a child being abused at home... but not only am I supposed to keep my mouth shut in this instance, but I'm actually supposed to root for these women to become pregnant.

Iyiyiyiyi.
 

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I'm sorry they said that to you, Jenna :\

I'll admit: I've wanted you dead at times. But my reasons were warranted.

...

(I kid!)
 

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Hugs Jenna
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You are right, people suck! Now get back to your mission to create your own universe
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Good lord, the stress generated from those encounters is just not what you would need during this time. I hope you find another TTC board whose members are more constructive. And beyond that, I hope you graduate from TTC to First Trimester Fears and Torments this next cycle.

(Try to adjust your diet to the protein-heavy side now. 70 or so grams a day. There is some evidence that it may help stave off morning sickness. I did some study toward becoming a midwife until I found out that writing was much less messy.)
 

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Jenna, I have to comment on this.

I say GOOD FOR YOU for speaking your mind! It takes a lot of guts to say what you really think when you're surrounded by people who have an opposing view.

I used to work in a hospital business office years ago. At that time, smoking was allowed in the building. There were smokers and non-smokers. As a non-smoker I often got into heated discussions with the smokers. Every argument I threw at them was disputed. I was out-numbered. Sometimes I just gave up arguing. It made my blood pressure go up, and their stupid logic was just too hard to deal with.

Now you're gonna hear another woman's attitude about pregnancy. I did not smoke or drink or do drugs or in any way endanger my kids when I was pregnant. It's a sacrifice for 9 months that you make for your child. Some of us feel that way even if those women you were dealing with didn't. I don't know about them saying their kids were perfectly fine. I have read that women who smoke while pregnant have low birth weight babies. That's not really a good thing.

There are other ways to relieve stress besides smoking and drinking. That is very sad that they have that attitude that they can't get through nine months of pregnancy without their vices. I've learned that sometimes no matter what you say to people, they are not gonna back down. You can only take comfort in knowing that you have the right idea and there are plenty of us women who agree with you.
 

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Do you know I have actually heard dim bimbo's quip, "Low birthweight sounds like it'll make it a lot easier to get out!" Hand over the ovaries and back away slowly.
 

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Sorry to hear you had to got through that, Jenna, but you were 100% in the right.

Good luck!
 

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Oy.

It's really sad when people can't differentiate between actual tolerance and stupidly accepting any old bad behavior.

I'm sorry, Jenna.
 

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Perks said:
Hand over the ovaries and back away slowly.

:roll: Oh, dear Lord!

Hey, thanks for the good wishes. I just found out that if we did conceive on this cycle (wishful thinking), the baby would be due on my birthday! Neat, huh?
 

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I was born on my mother's birthday (C-section, so she got to choose the date). She always said I was her best birthday present. I loved it when I was a little girl (since we always had two birthday cakes :Cake: ), and as I got older I loved sharing the day because of the extra closeness.

Good luck in your attempts to have a baby, and don't let the turkeys get you down!
 

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Wow Jenna. That was unbelievable to read. And I commend you for speaking your mind to these people. From my background history as a nurse and from carrying to full-term three healthy children, it is the responsibility of the mother to avoid any potential risks to the fetus. Smoking - a ticking time bomb throughout pregnancy. Fetal alcohol syndrome - another horrid condition resulting from irresponsibility. I'm sorry you had to listen to their crap.

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p.s. Good luck to you and Anthony...and enjoy the fun part in trying!
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Perks said:
Do you know I have actually heard dim bimbo's quip, "Low birthweight sounds like it'll make it a lot easier to get out!" Hand over the ovaries and back away slowly.
I only thought that once during my whole pregnancy, when I was having to push out my 10lb 9oz monster boy.
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But if I hadn't quit when I got pregnant I could have ended up like my friend. Her daughter was born weighing a little over 5lbs with a heart murmur, and my friend didn't smoke. Why anyone would decrease the chance for thier child to be healthy is beyond me. The smoker who said that she will be a great mom is already off to a really bad start.

Good for you Jenna. It's not easy to quit, nor is it easy to put up with that kind of stupidity. Thier comments to you have the sound of the guilty. They know it's bad and are trying to find people to justify thier positions. Unfortunately, they found what they were looking for.

I agree with Perks when she said, "I hope you graduate from TTC to First Trimester Fears and Torments this next cycle."
 

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I knew a lady who smoked during her pregnancy at my church. I watched her in disbelief. A few months later I was taking my turn in the nursery and saw a baby who's head was 2/3rds the size of what a normal babies head should be. The eyes were of normal size, but couln't fit into the sockets of the skull so they protruded on the outside of the skull. The baby was very small and couldn't eat from a bottle. It had a feeding tube going into it's nose. Later the mother came to get her baby and it was the lady who smoked during her pregnancy. I heard her say while she was pregnant that she smoked with her last pregnancy and her 4 year old was fine so she wasn't going to quit this time either.



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Good thing you quit Jenna. I did the same thing.


7 days after your last period starts, start making deposits, but every other day for 10 days. After your hubby makes the deposit stick your bottom up on a pillow and put your legs in the air for 20 min. Against a wall if you can. It worked for me. Limit alcohol too, no alcohol if you can. Start taking prenatal pills now too. That should make your womb a healthy place to make a baby.

good luck and have fun!


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I'm proud of you, Jenna. And, so sorry they said the things they did to you. That was just plain evil on their part.
Yes, smoker babies have low birth weights, but that's just the beginning. And, remember also, how awful second-hand smoke can be on young children. If they aren't quitting now, they won't care to step outside or away from a child (to smoke) after they're born.

Good luck, Jenna! Have fun trying to conceive. You'll smile back at it one day, while holding your precious little one, and know that it was all worth it.

Took me 7 years to get pregnant a second time. (including specialists and painful procedures) But finally, after giving up, it happened. And -- she was worth the wait. My perfect angel turned 16 yesterday.
 

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Jenna, why did you change my name to Colleen?

Oh, by the way, I know a sure fire way to conceive: both of you stay in bed until you're pregnant. Works every time (also, make him do the dishes during Sportscenter until you're pregnant--that works even better).

Rob :)
 

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What worked for me, after two years of not being able to conceive...despite even pillows and thermometers and 'giving up'...

...So I'm charting my basal temp and all, having the doctor say..."okay, yea, well, looks like the day after tomorrow will be your Go Day." And listening to him and oh-so-obeying, and still not getting pregnant two years later...I decided all by myself that maybe I was too late. Since sperm hangs around for a while, better to be a little early than a little late. I moved my Go Day up a little. He said Friday, we starting 'trying' from Wednesday. The first time we did this, got pregnant. Voila!
 

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Jenna, sorry you had to go through that. Those folks sound like a bunch of selfish fools. They are the type that can easily be brushed off because you realize how ignorant they are, but the sad thing is, they will always exist.
Now on a happy note: Go work on that Baby!
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:ROFL: Rob and truman, I like the way you think...

Thanks for the advice, ladies! I think I'm already doing everything you've suggested except the protein thing-- didn't know about that. Anything to stave off morning sickness sounds good to me, though. That's my one major phobia.

I have already bought a bazillion pregnancy tests and ovulation predictor tests from eBay ( :D )... I get to test in 6 days if you-know-who doesn't show up.

Terri, that is so sad. After I made the comment about "people who plan to smoke during pregnancy don't deserve to get pregnant" (that's what really riled them up), one woman said, "Well, then it's a good thing you're not in charge of who gets pregnant!" and I thought to myself, "No, it's a tragedy that I'm not in charge." And I thought of situations just like the one you described. No baby should have to suffer because of a mother's bad habits.

And I really need to remember that there aren't many message boards filled with the kind of intelligent, caring people we have here.
 

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I know that board!! I have two young boys and I went to a PG board/birth club for both of them...ugh, its horrible...sorry you had to go through that! ((hugs))

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Sue, Colleen, and Lula's moms must have smoked, drank and abused diet pills while they were pregnant with those three - it's the only thing I can think of to explain how they were born with out a shred of common sense.

I smoke now but I never smoked while pregnant and never in the house while the kids were growing up. Now that they're gone, I occasionally smoke in my home office - and I take great pains to limit the amount of second hand smoke that could escape from all my fans, filters and the open patio door - even on very cold nights. And that's because I live with a non-smoker and a cat!

You're gonna be a great mom, Jenna.
 

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Jenna, I went through eight years of infertility before conceiving, and it is heartbreaking to see these people take parenthood for granted. I remember dealing with feelings like "I must not be good enough to be a parent, or I would be one . . . " and then I would remember seeing a program on TV that showed an HIV-positive woman addicted to drugs leave the hospital AMA without her baby. She left a note saying her sister would take it. (Her sister had two or three other children of hers.) The woman wouldn't agree to birth control or anything. I think she saw the baby once after she was born.

I'm proud of you for pushing through your fears and your nicotine addiction, girl.

GO, JenNA! GO, JenNA!
 
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