Police pursuit and apprehension

apgambrell · Feb 19, 2014

If the police pursue a perpetrator to another city (and into another jurisdiction), would they still be able to arrest the perp or would they have to get the help of that city's police and then get custody signed over?

Also, if the perp happens to die in the other city, who would be in charge of investigating it?

NeuroGlide · Feb 19, 2014

apgambrell said:
If the police pursue a perpetrator to another city (and into another jurisdiction), would they still be able to arrest the perp or would they have to get the help of that city's police and then get custody signed over?

Also, if the perp happens to die in the other city, who would be in charge of investigating it?

Depends. If it's city police or county sheriff, they are authorized to arrest by the state, so as long as it stays in state, they can arrest (same if state troopers pursue into a city). This assumes hot pursuit, tracking down a suspect would either be local or joint. If it crosses state lines, they would maintain pursuit until locals took over (and they'ld have radioed ahead), but someone would follow after. Once the locals arrested them, the suspect would be extradited.

apgambrell · Feb 20, 2014

It's a couple of cops from a rural police department pursuing a criminal into the city.

King Neptune · Feb 20, 2014

"Hot pursuit" has been permissible for many hundreds of years. Search and you will find a lot. There are statutes defining it, etc.

apgambrell · Feb 20, 2014

Well, it's not exactly speeding cars and such. The guy escapes into the night, but had definite plans of taking a flight from said neighboring city so the pursuit isn't that 'Hot' per se... It's just where they track him down to.

King Neptune · Feb 20, 2014

apgambrell said:
Well, it's not exactly speeding cars and such. The guy escapes into the night, but had definite plans of taking a flight from said neighboring city so the pursuit isn't that 'Hot' per se... It's just where they track him down to.

Police authority A would inform police in city B. Police from city B would do the footwork, but someone from A would go there and hang around. If the two places were adjacent, then the police from A probably would go next door and do something.

apgambrell · Feb 20, 2014

Okay, good. Then I'm on the right track in my story.

King Neptune · Feb 20, 2014

apgambrell said:
Okay, good. Then I'm on the right track in my story.

In the real world, it would depend on location and local customs in addition to law.

ironmikezero · Feb 20, 2014

If a felony warrant has been issued, and the originating jurisdiction will extradite, the case can be submitted to a federally sponsored fugitive task force for adoption (like the US Marshals Service, who will hunt the subject globally; see link). The investigator from the originating agency can be so assigned TDY to the task force (and receive special deputation), or as agency liaison for the pendency of the investigation.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/index.html

Bolero · Feb 20, 2014

You are talking USA yes?

If UK it is a national police force, though it would be good manners and usual practice to contact the regional police force where your suspect was and ask them to do the arrest, or at least let them know you are in their patch.

King Neptune · Feb 20, 2014

If it is interstate, the Ironmike's information is useful. It's easier within a single state.

apgambrell · Feb 20, 2014

It is in one state, no crossing of state lines or even county lines for that matter. Just two separate departments (A small town one and a metropolitian one)

Trebor1415 · Feb 20, 2014

King Neptune said:
Police authority A would inform police in city B. Police from city B would do the footwork, but someone from A would go there and hang around. If the two places were adjacent, then the police from A probably would go next door and do something.

That may be ideal, and typical, but it doesn't always happen that way.

A year or so ago police in one community in Michigan were tracking some suspected burglers. They didn't "chase" them, but did follow them as the burglers went from one community to another (several miles away).

At one point, the police were still watching them when the suspects pulled into the driveway of a home, and broke into the house.

The police then exited their vehicles and covered the front and back doors, waiting for the suspects to leave the house before aprehending them.

Unfortunately, one of the suspects found (stole) a pistol from inside the home and when confronted by an officer in the back yard, shot and killed the officer. He was then shot and killed by another officer. The other suspect was caught.

At no time did the police running the survellience on the suspects contact any of the other agencies as they followed the suspects through several (3 or 4) jurisdictions.

The first time the police in city where the shooting occurred heard of it was after the shooting when the "Officer down" calls and ambulance calls went out.

There was some controversy over this later and accusations that the originating police force mishandled the whole thing.

All the agencies involved were various city PD's btw, not Sheriff's or State Police.

King Neptune · Feb 21, 2014

Trebor1415 said:
That may be ideal, and typical, but it doesn't always happen that way.

A year or so ago police in one community in Michigan were tracking some suspected burglers. They didn't "chase" them, but did follow them as the burglers went from one community to another (several miles away).

At one point, the police were still watching them when the suspects pulled into the driveway of a home, and broke into the house.

The police then exited their vehicles and covered the front and back doors, waiting for the suspects to leave the house before aprehending them.

Unfortunately, one of the suspects found (stole) a pistol from inside the home and when confronted by an officer in the back yard, shot and killed the officer. He was then shot and killed by another officer. The other suspect was caught.

At no time did the police running the survellience on the suspects contact any of the other agencies as they followed the suspects through several (3 or 4) jurisdictions.

The first time the police in city where the shooting occurred heard of it was after the shooting when the "Officer down" calls and ambulance calls went out.

There was some controversy over this later and accusations that the originating police force mishandled the whole thing.

All the agencies involved were various city PD's btw, not Sheriff's or State Police.

They should have known better.

ironmikezero · Feb 21, 2014

FWIW... Even in situations where there is no mandated notification requirement, there is an unwritten norm sometimes referred to as the PPP rule - the politics of pragmatic protocol. Agency administrators (the brass) can be extremely sensitive in this regard.

Prior notification, considered a professional courtesy (absent a statutory/regulatory requirement), is usually expected unless some mitigating factor would indicate otherwise.

After-action publicity is always a public relations concern. When something goes right, everyone wants a piece of the credit. Conversely, when it goes all to hell... well, it's scapegoat time, and plausible deniability can be among the most valuable of armors.

Just watch the media coverage over the course of a relevant event.

apgambrell · Feb 21, 2014

Since some time passes between the escape of the perp and the discovery of where he's heading, I went ahead and had police department 'A' notify police department 'B' so they could be there to help.

NeuroGlide · Feb 21, 2014

apgambrell said:
Since some time passes between the escape of the perp and the discovery of where he's heading, I went ahead and had police department 'A' notify police department 'B' so they could be there to help.

That's probably best. Dept. 'A' knows the perp, Dept. 'B' knows the area. You might have detectives from the different departments temporally team up for the story.

WeaselFire · Feb 22, 2014

1) Badged officers have police powers in every jurisdiction, despite what any TV show seems to have you believe.

2) No department has resources to chase fugitives at will. They will always enlist the help of others, the next jurisdiction, state, Federal, etc.

3) Policies can change most of this. Some areas don't pursue without an immediate or serious threat (armed felon, etc.).

4) It's your story and you need to figure out what you need to have happen before asking whether something can or cannot happen. Then you figure out a way to make the story work.

Jeff

NateSean · Feb 23, 2014

Adding to this: Have you ever thought about making an appointment with someone at your local police station?

Police officers don't bite and a lot of the men and women in blue I know are always eager to educate the public. Maybe offer to buy someone a cup of coffee in exchange for a half hour of their time.

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