Peaky Blinders - new BBC drama - spoilers

It's got Cillian Murphy in it so I'm there.

It's great that the Beeb is moving towards commissioning stories like this.

I'm hoping the ABC will pick it up.

apparently the accents are accurate for the time - the brummie accent was quite a bit softer back then. So I've been told anyway.

Black Velvet Band's not a sad song! It's quite upbeat whenever I've heard it played. Should've gone for Fields of Athenry although obviously they were going for the 'woman leads you into temptation' parallel.

Really enjoying the show so far, and not just for Murphy's pretty prettiness. Although that is nice.

And they even got some Angloromani spoken in there too!

From the little I know of it, it sounded accurate to me. Also good to hear 'diddicoy' (which is what I am!)

I like the way the characters interact - it's never quite what it first seems. I'm particularly fond of Aunt Pol.

This series is really good so far. Looking forward to see what'll become of the deal with Kimber...if there is a deal.

The plot thickens! Tommy's not a stupid boy. He'll figure it out. In fact, I suspect he already has an inkling - keep your friends close and all that. As Mr M pointed out, there's a motive for nearly everything Tommy does, and it's not always what you'd expect.

Can I just say, though - Cillian Murphy speaking Angloromani - phew! *fans self*

In the language, 'Rom' means man ('Romani' technically is a feminine noun, if I remember rightly.) The language itself is Indo-European - there are lots of very diverse dialects but the common roots of the language are thought to be shared with Punjabi, Sanskrit and other South Asian languages.

The dialect Murphy and the Roma woman were speaking is Angloromani, which is sort of a Romani-English hybrid. There's some good info on it here:

Anglo-Romani is thus a vocabulary, rather than a ‘language’ in the strict sense. It is used within the framework of English conversation, English sentences, and English grammar and pronunciation, thus:

The mush was jalling down the drom with his gry.
'The man was walking down the road with his horse

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I wish I spoke more of it. I know the odd word and phrase but basically nothing, alas.

I think the origins of that word are from Romanian - which is a bit of an anachronism on their part, actually, since the Romanian influence on the Angloromani dialect wouldn't have happened until at least the second world war - I don't think Romanians were especially widespread in the UK before that.

Not complaining, though - even if it is a more modern version of the language, it's nice to hear them rokker the chib

mirandashell said:

So... the language is Romani which encompasses various dialects like AngloRomani and the people are called Roma? Or Romanies? Do I have that right?

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There are lots of 'correct' ways to refer to Romani people: Roma, Romani(es), Rom, Rromane (extra 'R' optional) Some Roma don't mind 'gypsy', some aren't keen. (and then you get half-and-halfs, like me, which are referred to as 'diddicois' - the spelling varies.)

As for the language, the root of all the dialects is Romani (or Romani Chib) but some of the dialects are so far removed from that root they're practically new languages. The Sinti (a Romani subgroup from middle Europe - Germany, North Italy kind of area) speak quite a weird dialect.

Whoops, this is a bit of a derail

ahaha, well I'm glad, then. I'm no authority on the subject, though - my own roots are a mystery to me, and since I've never actually lived in a proper Romani community, all I've got to go on is stories and book learning.

Is it just me or does Freddie Thorne always look faintly grimy? Maybe it's the hair...

Oh god me too. I nearly cheered out loud when she told him not to swear at his ma's grave.