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Hi folks,

I've introduced myself here, and am now looking around for boards I can post on so I get a chance to chat about things I'm interested and involved in.

One of these is ebooks. I sold a short story to an ebook publisher called Champagne Books (Burst division, for fantasy) last year and just had it come out. I'm not sure where that places me, as far as writing credentials, but this publisher has been around more than 8 years, is continually growing, and doing well, and I met them in person at a convention here - that's actually how I ended up submitting, and why I felt reassured it wasn't a scam.

I was wondering if anyone else here can relate the experience. One thing I find challenging is how to think of myself - to me "author" goes with trade publishing, and ebook publishers are (in the case of my publisher) independent. The publishing industry is changing a lot, which means the standards of what defines a book are getting more complicated (in my opinion).

Anyway - I'd welcome anyone's thoughts.
 

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Format doesn't matter, as all can produce ebooks. Independent (indie) publishers are trade publishers; self-publishers are not.
 

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Hi folks,

I've introduced myself here, and am now looking around for boards I can post on so I get a chance to chat about things I'm interested and involved in.

One of these is ebooks. I sold a short story to an ebook publisher called Champagne Books (Burst division, for fantasy) last year and just had it come out. I'm not sure where that places me, as far as writing credentials, but this publisher has been around more than 8 years, is continually growing, and doing well, and I met them in person at a convention here - that's actually how I ended up submitting, and why I felt reassured it wasn't a scam.

I was wondering if anyone else here can relate the experience. One thing I find challenging is how to think of myself - to me "author" goes with trade publishing, and ebook publishers are (in the case of my publisher) independent. The publishing industry is changing a lot, which means the standards of what defines a book are getting more complicated (in my opinion).

Anyway - I'd welcome anyone's thoughts.

I think there's definitely an instinct to try to clarify and classify, maybe even rank our publishing experiences.

I'm not sure it's helpful. I used to think it was important so that I could work on trying to improve and use different publication credentials as evidence that I was progressing. But after having met some of my self-imposed milestones (working with certain publishers, for example) I found that they didn't really indicate anything about my writing or whether it was "getting better". I also found that the rankings I believed were objective were actually very subjective, dependent not only on different people's goals but also their experiences with different aspects of the process.

If you're happy with your publication experience, fantastic! Don't try to compare it to others, don't worry about where it "places you" or let it determine how you think of yourself.

We're all writers. We're all following our own paths. If you set a goal for yourself, I think there's lots of people here who can give you good suggestions on how to meet that goal, but I wouldn't look to us any earlier in the process than that.

The next step that works for you may be considered a step back by someone else. For example, I had quite a few novels published through reputable e-publishers before I experimented with self-publishing, which many on this board consider to be a tool of last resort. It wasn't because I couldn't find a publisher for that novel, it's because self-publishing was the next goal on MY to-do list.

TL;DR - don't rank yourself. It's impossible, and counterproductive to try.
 

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Hi Captcha and Shadowwalker,

I'm in agreement! Quality fiction, and a commitment to creating it, is what counts. When I write, to be quite honest, publication is the last thing on my mind. It's always, "What does this story need next?" I'm doing a 100,000 piece jigsaw (worse than that), one piece at a time. When it's all done, then I start thinking about where it should go.

I'm learning a lot as I work with the company as an editor about how we are not so different from "the big six" when it comes to a commitment to quality. I'd even say some self-published authors can do well if they approach the business with a professional attitude and realize the need for professional editing, cover design, and a marketing strategy.

You make a good point, Captcha: some people use self-publishing as a last resort, but that doesn't mean everyone who self-publishes has taken that path. I know of a local author who has formed his own company through self-publishing, and he is very successful and a great role model for the writing community.
 

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Hey GB

Your bud Big Mike here. Good to see ya out and about. This is a great forum for lessons learned.

Ref format, over last six years my royalties have flipped. When I started, about 90% were from paperback. Now vast majority of earnings come from E format. World is changing.

Ref the publisher CBG, I've had offers to go elsewhere but stayed with them for 6 years. IMO, great group of people. Think you'll like 'em.
 

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Hi Big Mike! Good to see you here too.
I'm finding it a lot of fun here, though I think the editors here don't like me. :(
I posted in the editor section about my preference for "raw blogging" and created quite a commotion.

Hi Elaine - good to meet you. I'm happy to be with an epublisher, happy to be learning a lot.
 

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One of these is ebooks. I sold a short story to an ebook publisher called Champagne Books (Burst division, for fantasy) last year and just had it come out. I'm not sure where that places me, as far as writing credentials

It means that you've had a short story accepted for publication. If they paid you for your story, that's better.

but this publisher has been around more than 8 years, is continually growing, and doing well, and I met them in person at a convention here - that's actually how I ended up submitting, and why I felt reassured it wasn't a scam.

There are other better ways to filter out the scammers, who have been known to attend conventions. For example, the notorious vanity press PublishAmerica has attended the London Book Fair.

I'm pretty sure that Champagne is one of the good guys, however. I don't want you to think I'm implying otherwise.

I was wondering if anyone else here can relate the experience. One thing I find challenging is how to think of myself - to me "author" goes with trade publishing, and ebook publishers are (in the case of my publisher) independent.

It sounds to me like you're confusing a few different things.

Most trade publishers publish books in all formats: paperbacks, hardbacks, e-books, audio books, large print, and so on. However, some specialise in publishing certain formats, such as e-books, audio books, or large print. Whatever format they publish in, they're still trade publishers if they acquire books from authors, and sell them to the booktrade.

Independent publishers are those which aren't part of a larger conglomerate: the format in which they publish isn't significant to their independent status.

Self publishers are publishers who publish books they've written themselves.

It's wrong to suggest that all "ebook publishers are independent": some are part of big conglomerates, some aren't.

Writers and authors (I use the terms interchangeably) write books. Publishers publish them. It doesn't matter how they're published, people who have written books are writers.

The publishing industry is changing a lot, which means the standards of what defines a book are getting more complicated (in my opinion).

The one thing that never changes about publishing is that it's always changing. In the thirty years or so that I've been working in publishing, the business has been transformed several times over. It's great. I love the challenges that this presents to us all, and the way it keeps our business creative and fresh. We are supremely lucky to be living in such times.

One thing that doesn't change is the book. The formats we publish it in change very often; the ways we do business change just as quickly; but the book is what it is. It's a chunk of magic which transforms and educates and entertains the people who read it regardless of what sort of container we've poured it into, or what sort of delivery process we employ to get it to its readers.

In other words books are simple: publishing them is complicated, and publishing them well is even more so.

I think there's definitely an instinct to try to clarify and classify, maybe even rank our publishing experiences.

I'm not sure it's helpful.

Agreed. The writing, the work: that's what's important. Publishing it well certainly helps; but it's pointless trying to rank the various publication routes as what does it prove? Nothing. Being published isn't like a university course where you need 180 credits to graduate: you can graduate as a writer by writing a really good book, whether it's your first or your fiftieth attempt.

The next step that works for you may be considered a step back by someone else. For example, I had quite a few novels published through reputable e-publishers before I experimented with self-publishing, which many on this board consider to be a tool of last resort.

I'll have words to say to anyone who suggests that self publishing is a last resort. And they will not be nice words.

I'm finding it a lot of fun here, though I think the editors here don't like me. :(
I posted in the editor section about my preference for "raw blogging" and created quite a commotion.

I don't think that's quite accurate, Graeme. I was the only editor who responded to your other thread: everyone else who did so is a writer, I think. We found it odd that you, an aspiring writer and editor, don't revise your posts here or on your blog and put your comments up in an unpolished state. You did have the chance to reply, and our comments don't mean that we don't like you: just that we don't understand why you'd do that.

Still, it's pretty poor form to drag a discussion from one thread to another, so I'll stop now. I just didn't want you to feel that you were disliked because of that thread.
 

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One thing that doesn't change is the book. The formats we publish it in change very often; the ways we do business change just as quickly; but the book is what it is. It's a chunk of magic which transforms and educates and entertains the people who read it regardless of what sort of container we've poured it into, or what sort of delivery process we employ to get it to its readers.

Love this description of a book. Love! Love! Love!
 

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Wow! Thanks for this very detailed post, Jane! I learned so much. Very informative. Especially like what you say about writers writing books, never mind the publishing. That's exactly how I approach writing. Right now I am in the middle of a very large novel, about to finish, and publication is the last thing on my mind. The need to fit the story together, to get every paragraph, every sentence, every word just right...that is enormous. If you are looking past that, then that's putting the cart before the horse, in my opinion.

And thanks for clarifying, re: my nonlikeableness (yes I know that's not a word). Sometimes it is hard to know in forums whether people are upset or not - I do not have a lot of experience with forums, so please bear with me.
<grin>

But as for why I don't edit my posts? See the other thread...
 

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Love this description of a book. Love! Love! Love!

You're very easily impressed, Merri. Ha! (How would you describe a book?)

Wow! Thanks for this very detailed post, Jane! I learned so much. Very informative. Especially like what you say about writers writing books, never mind the publishing.

I think it's important to not put pressure on writers to publish: it makes us focus on the wrong things, and can drive writers into vanity publishing, or self-publishing when they really would prefer to work with a trade publisher. I do think that as writers we should learn about publishing before we publish: but I also think that our main focus should be writing, and the reading it requires to do well.

And thanks for clarifying, re: my nonlikeableness (yes I know that's not a word). Sometimes it is hard to know in forums whether people are upset or not - I do not have a lot of experience with forums, so please bear with me.

It's so difficult, sometimes, to understand the tone with which an online comment has been posted. I try to always assume good intentions: it makes for much nicer and easier interractions.

<grin>

But as for why I don't edit my posts? See the other thread...

You can grin at me all you like, my boy. It's not going to make me change my mind.

*wiggles eyebrows threateningly*
 

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Tweezers are instruments of the devil, Maryn. I wear my bushy, greying eyebrows with pride.

*waggles some more*

Well, with that deadly animated cat you have there, I think it would be wise not to mess with you. So this will be one of those things we just don't talk about.
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(which means, please don't shoot me!)
 

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You're very easily impressed, Merri. Ha! (How would you describe a book?)

A book allows you to escape into another world in your mind. A world where you can be anyone and anything and root for the hero or the villian in equal measure.
 

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See, Merri, I think your one's better.