Supreme Court to Rule Shortly On Same Sex Marriage

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The SCOTUS ruling on California's Prop 8 is expected to come this week, perhaps as early as Monday morning. Kind of a big deal, imo.

In the related but separate case, I think they will find DOMA to be unconstitutional. The crux of the plaintiff's case is that she, because she had a legal same sex spouse, had to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the IRS which an opposite gender spouse would not have been required to pay.

This takes it out of the realm of morality and into the realm of fairness about money, something everyone takes very seriously. It also does not address the constitutionality of state anti marriage laws, only whether the federal government can accept one form of marriage and deny another when it comes to benefits and legal recognition. This seems a pretty clear violation of the 14th amendment, equal protection under the law. I wouldn't be surprised to see this as a 6-3 decision.

Prop 8 is trickier, because it addresses the constitutionality of state anti gay marriage laws. I think they will duck this one, because they don't want to rule on such a broad issue -- not yet, at least.

So I think they will take the easy way out and declare the plaintiffs (Prop 8 supporters) have no standing, and therefore will not rule. This will have the effect of upholding the lower court's ruling that Prop 8 is unconstitutional without having to affirmatively state it.

So gay marriage will be legal in California, but there will be no effect on laws banning gay marriage in other states.

5-4 on this one.

The NYT has a neat summery of the options:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rt-could-rule-on-same-sex-marriage.html?_r=1&
 

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Gods. This shouldn't even be a matter for consideration.

Fair is fair, and the law is supposed to be gender neutral -- and separate from the dictates of religion.
 

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It never made sense to me that my wife and I can move to any state in the union and our marriage will be honored. Yet, if a gay couple were legally married in their home state and moved into another, they would then be unmarried.

I'm no Constitutional scholar, but the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution and the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment seem pretty clear. DOMA violates both. The decision should be a no-brainer. Let's hope it is.
 

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Whatever happens tomorrow, I think it will be a step in the right direction. I'm fairly certain that DOMA will be struck down. I don't know about Prop 8.
 

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I'm following SCOTUSblog for live updates. Will try to post if I hear anything.

Update: Looks like it won't be today. Maybe Thursday.
 
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You're welcome, Willibee!

Apparently, tomorrow will be the day. SCOTUS will be releasing opinions on all remaining cases. I'll be home tomorrow, so I'll be able to watch SCOTUSBlog and update as soon as we know something.

Fingers crossed!
 

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Roberts to read decision on Prop 8 and Kennedy to read the decision for DOMA.
 

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I predict that even if the Supreme Court upholds Prop. 8, its days are numbers. The likely response will be a ballot measure in 2014 to repeal it, and this time around, the repeal of Prop. 8 will pass easily.
 

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DOMA is up first...They found 5-4 DOMA is unconstitutional under equal protection.

The opinion is here.
 

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DOMA STRUCK DOWN

:TheWave::TheWave::TheWave::TheWave:
 

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Said only applies to "legal marriages". Wonder what they define that as. Anyone delved into opinion yet?
 

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Legally married couples will now received federal recognition.
 

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Here's the text of the opinion.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf

Here's the critical section explaining why it was struck down.

The power the Constitution grants it also restrains.
And though Congress has great authority to design laws to
fit its own conception of sound national policy, it cannot
deny the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause of
the Fifth Amendment.
What has been explained to this point should more than
suffice to establish that the principal purpose and the
necessary effect of this law
are to demean those persons
who are in a lawful same-sex marriage. This requires
the Court to hold, as it now does, that DOMA is unconsti
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tutional as a deprivation of the liberty of the person pro
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tected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
The liberty protected by the Fifth Amendment’s Due
Process Clause contains within it the prohibition against
denying to any person the equal protection of the laws.
See
Bolling
, 347 U. S., at 499–500;
Adarand Constructors,
Inc.
v.
Peña
, 515 U. S. 200, 217–218 (1995). While the
Fifth Amendment itself withdraws from Government the
power to degrade or demean in the way this law does,
the equal protection guarantee of the Fourteenth Amend
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ment makes that Fifth Amendment right all the more
specific and all the better understood and preserved.
The class to which DOMA directs its restrictions and
restraints are those persons who are joined in same-sex
marriages made lawful by the State. DOMA singles out a
class of persons deemed by a State entitled to recognition
and protection to enhance their own liberty. It imposes a
disability on the class by refusing to acknowledge a status
the State finds to be dignified and proper. DOMA in
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structs all federal officials, and indeed all persons with
whom same-sex couples interact, including their own
children, that their marriage is less worthy than the mar
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riages of others. The federal statute is invalid, for no
legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to
disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity.
By seeking to displace this protection and treating those
persons as living in marriages less respected than others,
the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment.
This opinion and its holding are confined to those lawful
marriages.
The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Second
Circuit is affirmed.
 

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If your state or district says same-sex marriage is legal, it's legal.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love you, Justice Kennedy.
 

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Prop 8 decision hasn't officially been released yet (as of me typing) but there are strong indications it will be dismissed on standing. If so, I *think* that means CA gets gay marriage back.
 

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I *think* it also means that states where gay marriage is not legal must recognize marriages performed elsewhere however. (i.e. this means you, Texas (etc)) Can someone confirm?
 

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The consensus is that will be next to be litigated.
 

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The consensus is that will be next to be litigated.

Okay, thanks (at least I think that was to me).

Given that the ruling was on Equal Protection grounds rather than State's Right's, it seems like a slam dunk to me, but I guess we'll see :)
 

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Prop 8 no more
Same sex marriage legal in CA